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Trump to push for stronger bkgd checks w mental health focus, raise purchase age
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 8:32 AM Author: appetizing center to 21, and outlaw bump stocks
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966662241977360384 |
Date: February 22nd, 2018 8:35 AM Author: hairraiser preventive strike he will not get my vote in 2020 if the age to purchase long guns is raised to 21 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459384) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 8:40 AM Author: gold stimulating business firm why long guns vs. handguns? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459410) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 8:41 AM Author: hairraiser preventive strike handguns already is 21. Can't blame trump for that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459418) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 8:43 AM Author: gold stimulating business firm seems like an odd distinction to make. plus i would think that handguns would be more "important" for 18 y/o to access because people move out on their own and might want one for home defense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459426) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 8:44 AM Author: hairraiser preventive strike I agree completely but handguns have been 21+ since as long as I can remember (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459429) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:10 AM Author: Massive hospital Lib here, but I think pointing out that nearly all recent mass murders were over 21 or under 18!should at least demonstrate this age thing is a straw man.
Either ban the gun or the restrict access to the gun. But looking at age is a pointless half measure
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:39 AM Author: rusted mad-dog skullcap So why are libs so focused on it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459676) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 8:37 AM Author: useless diverse incel What a fucking cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459390) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 8:42 AM Author: crawly sapphire gunner institution lol this is gonna piss people off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459422) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 8:54 AM Author: appetizing center My guess is it’s ultimately another bluff. “See? The Dems don’t want reasonable gun control. They just want to wipe out the second amendment.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459464) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 8:56 AM Author: crawly sapphire gunner institution I personally highly doubt Democrats will filibuster any bill that genuinely ups gun control. If they do they're insane. Frankly it's more plausible to me that the GOP filibusters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459472) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:38 AM Author: appetizing center I don’t know. He gave them a pretty good deal on DACA and they passed. They’re the party of “it doesn’t do enough so we’re going to take our ball and go home.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459671) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:41 AM Author: crawly sapphire gunner institution The DACA deal involved major concessions to the right on immigration. This doesn't involve any concessions, and with guns there is no real downside to accepting incremental victories. Nobody gets deported under a moderate gun control bill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459682) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:42 AM Author: Godawful marketing idea mexican I wouldn't assume that this is how any legislation will actually work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459690) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:04 AM Author: Massive hospital He’ll walk this back at CPAC tomorrow, as he always does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459500) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:41 AM Author: Godawful marketing idea mexican Trump becomes a retard when people throw out the "but think of the CHILDREN!" argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900293&forum_id=2#35459681) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:55 AM Author: Odious wagecucks Mental Health checks/a better mental health system isn't a bad idea - that is one area where I think the government could get back to where it was in the Pre-Regan with these institutionalization situations with the crazies.
I think in the case of Sandy Hook and this one both of the kids were on antipsychotics or pills of some sort, same with that piece of shit in Charleston who killed all those church ladies.
For example the fact the media does not admit is that the Sandy Hook guy's mom was to blame - she was the gun nut in the family and obviously her son had significant issues that should have made her worry - at least enough to have her weaponry not be accessible to her son.
As to the utility of banning guns in response to the crimes of these insane people? I don't think that it is really useful.
As for this current shooter IDK what the situation was, because I am pretty disengaged from news media but I read that his mom died pretty recently. I think a combo of a mental illness, medication history and a traumatic life event should require an individual under 18 or 21 to wait longer than the normal period to purchase a firearm.
The call for gun bans in response to these people (mentally ill, uninvolved parents) is not really getting to the issue at heart: Mental Illness not dealt with by parents due to absence or negligence.
FWIW in Ancient China and Japan if you had your kids do some really bad crimes, they would come for you - your parents and sometimes even your aunts/uncles and cousins - this family liability has a strong deterrent effect - even though it would be unconstitutional here the concept is still powerful: people need to have a community awareness and involvement |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:57 AM Author: appetizing center There are also already laws in place that should have caught this guy, if not for disparate impact policies by the county:
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899402&mc=86&forum_id=2#35453945 |