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ANNUAL REVIEW COMING UP - how to pressure boss?

About 1- compensation and 2- promotion. Been here at com...
rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce
  02/22/18
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rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce
  02/22/18
Tell them you got an offer from a new employer and that you'...
chartreuse irradiated multi-billionaire
  02/22/18
not good advice. should be your last move. not opening gambi...
Zippy well-lubricated sound barrier
  02/22/18
Yes this doesn't seem smart
rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce
  02/22/18
Go big or go home. OP will either get everything he wants or...
chartreuse irradiated multi-billionaire
  02/22/18
If not flame you’re doing it wrong. If flame, terrible flame...
violet pervert
  02/22/18
Does everyone else not get scared to broach these topics wit...
rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce
  02/22/18
It’s ok to be scared, but you want an answer. You don’t have...
violet pervert
  02/22/18
This seems like good advice. Now I have to man up and actual...
rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce
  02/22/18
If there is no enemy within, the enemy outside can do no har...
violet pervert
  02/22/18
I've done this repeatedly with multiple bosses. Got a major...
harsh out-of-control scourge upon the earth internal respiration
  02/23/18
no one gets substantial raises anymore, they know they can r...
wine stage
  02/22/18
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maize fear-inspiring gay wizard
  02/22/18
honestly, if they're not promoting you on the schedule they'...
Trip coral gunner french chef
  02/22/18
If someone pulls “politics” bullshit on a merit raise their ...
violet pervert
  02/22/18
I agree with this advice. I got those same promises for sev...
insecure marketing idea
  02/22/18
Stop doing anything at work, and start lining up your next j...
maize fear-inspiring gay wizard
  02/22/18
Update: 10 min before my review , boss cancels it and moves ...
rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce
  02/22/18
Tcr
cracking dopamine
  02/22/18
Sorry brej, score one for the bad guys.
violet pervert
  02/23/18
Fuck it, just don't even call him
Burgundy Antidepressant Drug
  02/23/18
Yeah, truthfully, the only thing they care about is you show...
harsh out-of-control scourge upon the earth internal respiration
  02/23/18
The only thing I've ever seen work is to make a credible thr...
charismatic patrolman half-breed
  02/22/18
Doesn't that breed a lot of hostility if I make a move like ...
rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce
  02/22/18
Yes, but doesn't matter. Everyone is a mercenary these days...
harsh out-of-control scourge upon the earth internal respiration
  02/23/18
Modern life is hell. Is this really acceptable plan A?
violet pervert
  02/23/18


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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce

About 1- compensation and 2- promotion.

Been here at company for 6 years. Told when I started that I'd be eligible for a promotion around year 5. Last year, my boss said I'd be getting more administrative responsibilities similar to someone in that position. But when I pushed for the official promotion, boss said that it was a tough time politically to push a promotion through. So here I am a year later, still in the dark about their intentions - whether to promote me or not.

Also my comp is behind my peers - prob by 20-30k. I know this by picking up on conversations with other folks.

Honestly I find it scary to directly bring up these topics at annual reviews. Usually in these reviews, I get told that I'm doing a great job, that I was rated a "x", that my bonus will be "y" and that my new comp will be "z". I've never had the courage to ask the more tough questions- such as where they see me fitting into the legal dept in the next few years, or anything else to really push my own agenda forward

Any suggestions would be helpfil

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462323)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:11 PM
Author: rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462329)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:11 PM
Author: chartreuse irradiated multi-billionaire

Tell them you got an offer from a new employer and that you're considering it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462335)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: Zippy well-lubricated sound barrier

not good advice. should be your last move. not opening gambit. he will most likely ljl at your amateur behavior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462353)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce

Yes this doesn't seem smart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462362)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:15 PM
Author: chartreuse irradiated multi-billionaire

Go big or go home. OP will either get everything he wants or he'll realize that he's not appreciated at his current company and will never accomplish what he wants there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462380)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:14 PM
Author: violet pervert

If not flame you’re doing it wrong. If flame, terrible flame.

Go ask for promotion again with your value at your fingertips. If political pushback, you say, when I undertook this assignment and was given a 5 year window (way too long so I know flame) there was no mention of politics being associated with that process. I worked hard and meet the criteria and deserve “this” promotion.

In re: to compensation- that’s a tougher nut to crack (in one shot) to make up the gap btw peers, but ask for a significant raise to be paired with promotion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462378)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:23 PM
Author: rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce

Does everyone else not get scared to broach these topics with your boss?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462429)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: violet pervert

It’s ok to be scared, but you want an answer. You don’t have to leave your comfort zone in tone. But you listed your exact gripes. And that’s fair and it’s more rewarding for your mental health to ask then not.

Think back to a time when something seemed difficult and when you were in the other side of it, you kicked yourself for dragging your feet.

If you have another offer great, but I don’t bluff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462450)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:48 PM
Author: rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce

This seems like good advice. Now I have to man up and actually do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462653)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:50 PM
Author: violet pervert

If there is no enemy within, the enemy outside can do no harm. You got this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462685)



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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:40 AM
Author: harsh out-of-control scourge upon the earth internal respiration

I've done this repeatedly with multiple bosses. Got a major raise out of it, but not directly (happened after someone else in our group left and they recalled my bitching).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35468805)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:16 PM
Author: wine stage

no one gets substantial raises anymore, they know they can replace you in 2 weeks (and probably pay the next wagecuck even less)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462391)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: maize fear-inspiring gay wizard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462690)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: Trip coral gunner french chef

honestly, if they're not promoting you on the schedule they've told you, the only thing you can do is go out and get a better job offer and try and leverage it against this one to get them to match or better it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462397)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: violet pervert

If someone pulls “politics” bullshit on a merit raise their word is shit and you call them out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462409)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: insecure marketing idea

I agree with this advice. I got those same promises for several years as well and never spoke up. They will keep doing it. The best way to advance is to have the courage to change companies (after you get your bonus of course).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462448)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:52 PM
Author: maize fear-inspiring gay wizard

Stop doing anything at work, and start lining up your next job. Once they notice you haven't done any work in months, give your notice and jump ship to a better offer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35462701)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:25 PM
Author: rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce

Update: 10 min before my review , boss cancels it and moves it to another day when he'll be traveling. So instead of an in person discussion, I'm supposed to call him and have the review while he's remote. Kinda stupid bc now it'll be nearly impossible to have a fruitful/substantive discussion over the phone. Meanwhile, in the time slot of my original review, he's in there just gossiping with some other exec. Whatever - I'm going to pursue other employment options.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35463551)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:29 PM
Author: cracking dopamine

Tcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35463579)



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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:35 AM
Author: violet pervert

Sorry brej, score one for the bad guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35468767)



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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:38 AM
Author: Burgundy Antidepressant Drug

Fuck it, just don't even call him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35468792)



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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: harsh out-of-control scourge upon the earth internal respiration

Yeah, truthfully, the only thing they care about is you showing up with another offer in hand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35468810)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:31 PM
Author: charismatic patrolman half-breed

The only thing I've ever seen work is to make a credible threat to leave to another specific job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35463599)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:41 PM
Author: rough-skinned rambunctious lettuce

Doesn't that breed a lot of hostility if I make a move like that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35463688)



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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:42 AM
Author: harsh out-of-control scourge upon the earth internal respiration

Yes, but doesn't matter. Everyone is a mercenary these days. If you act like a docile cuck they will treat you like one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35468814)



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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: violet pervert

Modern life is hell. Is this really acceptable plan A?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900683&forum_id=2#35468853)