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Date: March 6th, 2018 8:39 AM Author: slate out-of-control reading party They are actually saying. Gtfo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35545026) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: shimmering mewling newt meetinghouse (Guy who cant understand what “sinking ship” means) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546879) |
Date: March 6th, 2018 8:43 AM Author: Charismatic Buff Principal's Office Bbw AH THE SCHOLARLY SLUG SLIME'S TRUE FRIEND |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 8:47 AM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Its just funny how some poorly educated xo dipshit says oh Dawkins is full of shit or Dennett is wrong but they have no idea about any of the principles in their respective areas of interest or even what these thinkers are actually saying. Its amusing dunning Kruger level shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35545049) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 8:50 AM Author: hyperactive soul-stirring market I agree but it's even more amusing that you also have no idea about any of the principles in their respective areas of interest or even what they are actually saying and you have actually read some of their shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35545057) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 8:53 AM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Oh I disagree. I'm no scholar but I know in principle what they are saying. And yes, I have read some of their stuff. I think in trying (poorly) to attack me you are just trying to personalize your resentments and cognitive dissonance, friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35545068) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: shimmering mewling newt meetinghouse Nah poster above is right. You clearly don’t get it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546892) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party (guy who hasn't read any of it.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546917) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: shimmering mewling newt meetinghouse (guy who tried to read it but was too low iq) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546932) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: shimmering mewling newt meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546893) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 8:51 AM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle Mad as fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35545060) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 8:58 AM Author: slate out-of-control reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35545085) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546827) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: bateful shrine it's not hard to understand why dawkins is, for example, a pure materialist, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546908) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Sure. But people here posting about, say evolution, dont understand even basic principles such as every modification has a cost, nothing is free. |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: navy impressive faggotry dennett literally thinks there is no such thing as experience (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546925) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:39 PM Author: orange naked stage factory reset button Denial of the hard problem of consciousness is not the same as denying experience. The materialist position is basically that we only experience representations of the world and that these representations don't have some mysterious internal content that can't be measured. This is really the only view that is compatible with neuroscience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547003) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: navy impressive faggotry (guy who thinks he's a zombie) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547011) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: orange naked stage factory reset button Explain how qualia realism can be made consistent with neuroscience and physics, and how it explains facts about the world that a pure representationalist theory of mind cannot. Illusionism makes much more sense than competing models. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547047) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:47 PM Author: navy impressive faggotry (non-mysterianist) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547060) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party (Guy who has no idea, can't answer, but will say Dennett is some sort of dummy, just because...(that's what his masters want him to "think).) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547872) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: cracking hell associate Illusionism, the idea that the mind is a trick of the mind, is not coherent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547946) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Whats more likely ... the brainiac people suggesting this are all dummies who don't realize its incoherent... OR ... you don't understand it well enough to see that it is coherent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547975) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: cracking hell associate Irredeemably bad theories and movements are a necessary part of making knowledge rigorous. Is logical positivism right because Ayer said it was? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547985) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party stop doing what your doing and look at what ive written above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547990) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: Crusty lake doctorate they wouldn't be the first smart people in the history of philosophy to promote ideas which we now believe are not only wrong but incoherent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547998) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party I don't disagree. But that's at an entirely different level than where the typical xo poaster is on the subjects at hand. I appreciate your playful chaos-bringing though! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548053) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:59 PM Author: cracking hell associate Link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548002) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: orange naked stage factory reset button That isn't a correct description of illusionism. You do experience things, just not in the way that qualia realism claims you do. It isn't fundamentally different from recognizing the inaccuracy of an optical illusion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548214) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:25 PM Author: cracking hell associate That's not what I got from reading Frankish. On my reading he wouldn't claim there's actually any experiencing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548251) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Sounds like you didn't understand it, tbh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548554) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle both are glib charlatans hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546937) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:40 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party (guy who doesn't even understand what they are about, poasting glibly.) (Guy who just made my point for me.) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle this is wrong spaceporn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547911) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party lol again I have to say:
They are fucking smart as shit. Probably smarter than you or me--Dennett certainly so and Dawkins probably so as well.
How can we even be in a position of intellectual honesty to say they are "glib" anything when we haven't wrestled with the ideas they promote at their deepest level?
(Don't just say 'he's a materialist' which is lazy as fuck and means NOTHING when you (or other poasters) don't understand even the basic principles of, say how evolution works to begin with.) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle I have read and understood extended phenotype and darwins dangerous idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548166) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party great! looking forward to hearing how Dawkins is a "glib charlatan" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548541) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:15 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle doesn't accept Jesus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548606) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:18 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Your not even going to try? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548622) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: boyish lettuce milk im a fan of both of them but bret weinstein runs intellectual circles around both of those guys. the only other public intellectual who comes close is jordan peterson and to a lesser extent sam harris (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546943) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle lol Bret Weinstein? The "Evergreen College" guy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546956) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: boyish lettuce milk yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546964) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle he runs aspie shtick on twitter, please link to anything of serious intellectual merit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546971) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: boyish lettuce milk in terms of biology check out his predictions regarding telomeres for which a nobel prize was eventually awarded in 2009 once those predictions were confirmed
in terms of his social commentary regarding SJW and alright bullshit, there's no shortage of discussions on youtube. this is a great one
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830185&mc=6&forum_id=2 |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: slimy 180 whorehouse giraffe bret weinstein won a nobel? never heard that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547950) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 2:00 PM Author: boyish lettuce milk so some other people won it for a discovery that confirmed a prediction he published years earlier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35554316) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:52 PM Author: slimy 180 whorehouse giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547959) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Jordan Peterson no. come on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547839) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:07 PM Author: Wonderful Lodge lol Sam Harris the Jew who got butt blasted by based Dilbert cartoon man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548567) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:37 PM Author: spectacular theatre NOT who I expected as OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546989) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: cracking hell associate If you're a physicalist you're literally insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547936) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party complete nonsense with the label. Calling someone a physicalist or a materialist or what have you is a sure way to misunderstand something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547951) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: cracking hell associate They literally call themselves this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547976) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:01 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party yes, and the most likely thing is that it doesn't mean what you think it means (because the concepts implied therein and for which the word is a shorthand are too slippery and rigorous for you yet). You are not smarter than them. They are not "insane". They spend their professional life wrestling with these questions you think you can just dismiss at will. But you've got them all beat! |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: cracking hell associate I might not be as smart as they are but I've spent a good amount of time with their ideas. It's funny you're accusing me of precisely what you're doing with Christianity in the other thread. If you want to just tell me I don't understand them this thread is gonna get boring pretty fast. Feel free to blindly accept philosophical theories based on their authors though. That's definitely the spirit of philosophy :/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548047) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party okay. tell me how you have spent time w their ideas.
(I see the problem here--your christerlyness (and christer overlords) are dictating to you how to think on the subject, so you MUST say Dennett is "insane" and Dawkins is "glib". Got it. Yeah, boring.) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: cracking hell associate You're a faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548079) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party thanks for making my point for me bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548095) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:12 PM Author: cracking hell associate I don't see how you've proved anything except your ability to quickly abandon standards of productive discourse, faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548118) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:03 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party you said you "spent time w their ideas" and I asked you to explain how you "spent time w their ideas"
In all likelihood, you did not want to tell me you saw a youtube video or listened to a podcast but never read a book by either of them so you called me a faggot.
Who abandoned standards of discourse? |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: cracking hell associate no, you're assuming my argument and arguing with a caricature of what you think my argument is going to be ("t doesn't mean what you think it means", "I see what's the problem is", "in all likelihood"). you're basically masturbating yourself (e.g. assuming you know what physicalism means but I most certainly cannot) and have foreclosed the possibility of discussion. you get called a faggot when you do things like that, because thats what faggots do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548912) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 6:02 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party yeah, again, thanks for making my point for me. go back and see what I wrote in op. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548935) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 6:03 PM Author: cracking hell associate *misdirection*
like no offense here man, but everyone itt thinks you're being a faggot, so consider stopping being a faggot |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 6:08 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Not really. Just a couple of yapping idiots who likewise suffer from Dunning Kruger such as yourself.
I just get annoyed when I have some lovely idea I've picked up from a legit philosopher and I poast about it on here and a bunch of no-nothing dumbasses all tell me its "glib" and shit and then when I press them on what's wrong with the stuff they show me they don't even know what it is or understand it properly. But notwithstanding that they will have strong opinions on it. I just really don't like intellectual dishonesty, and it seems there's a particular group here who are so painfully rife with it. Either that or they are just DUMB as bricks and don't know it. |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 6:32 PM Author: cracking hell associate link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35549205) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: self-centered bossy hunting ground love of her life dennet=confirmed 105iq hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548023) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party clearly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548070) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle why is spaceporn being so emotional itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548198) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: cracking hell associate People that are committed to ideology get this way when people disagree with them. Classic lib behavior (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548282) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle he's ultra committed emotionally to the idea that there is no possibility of something central to consciousness that we don't yet understand? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548338) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: cracking hell associate Of course. I've been guilty of this. It's some weird human phenomenon were if you invest even minimal time in trying to understand something you think you're an expert, and contrary opinions are very bothersome because you know you don't know what you're talking about deep down and are defensive against admitting this. CR is to wear your inevitable lack of understanding on your sleeve or you're gonna get Socrates'ed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548393) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:18 PM Author: Arousing persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548624) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:15 PM Author: bateful shrine he is an atheist because muh science. are you surprised? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548604) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party lol almost no one here even understands what Dawkins or Dennett are saying. but they are happy to say they are wrong, or "glib" or what have you. I don't know how you can w any degree of intellectual honesty get from my first sentence to my second sentence. |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party you guys having fun trying to run me down for making the very valid point in OP? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548557) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 6:42 PM Author: Contagious blood rage spot Dennet's demonstration of proof of free will is virgin pure semantics. It's really one of the silliest defenses anyone ever heard. Besides that, he's an atrocious writer, and a terribly puffed up, stodgy person. Dawkins at least can be charming from time to time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35549265) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 7:07 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Your only demonstrating my point, friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35549406) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 1:35 AM Author: orange naked stage factory reset button His debate with Sam Harris about this was painful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35551644) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 7:09 AM Author: slate out-of-control reading party (guy who didn't read any of his work, thinks his subjective view on how a 'podcast' went entitles him to pass judgment on work he doesn't even make an effort to understand.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35552006) |
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Date: March 6th, 2018 11:29 PM Author: Shivering yarmulke sp just blank out all your poasts itt and pretend it never happened (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35550997) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 7:02 AM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Why would I do that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35551988) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: cracking hell associate I don't see a coherent argument anywhere in this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35554843) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party what argument were you expecting, and why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35554890) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: cracking hell associate A description of the widely held conception of Dennett position and a reason why that conception doesn't track his actual position (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35554932) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Why were you expecting this? Wouldn't a more reasonable expectation be that I was actually challenging anyone here to make a decent explanation of his position and thereafter to explain why his position was wrong? Wouldn't that be the more efficient way to rebut my initial accusation, and less subject to backtracking, deliberate obfuscation and welching on the part of disingenuous participants in the thread? |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: cracking hell associate (Lawyer spending as much time trying to shift the burden as it would've taken to suggest an affirmative argument, provided he actually had the understanding he's accusing others of lacking) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555374) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:12 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Not really. I see there were a few halfhearted efforts to respond to my accusation early in the thread, but they were shut down pretty promptly and well by a better informed pumo. This leads me to conclude it was perfectly clear what I was getting at in the OP--no burden shifting necessary. |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:13 PM Author: cracking hell associate Link to affirmative arguments (this is literally the third time I've asked for this, not counting the entire thread I made asking you for this) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555399) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party What do you mean? do you want me to link to the half hearted efforts you and other poasters made early on ITT to demonstrate that you actually understood parts of what Dennett is saying? Or are you disingenuously trying to get me to throw something up myself (which means you cannot do the thing I initially ridiculed you for not being able to do?) LEt's try to stay on track, shall we?
These are the halfhearted arguments made earlier in the thread:
Date: March 6th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: per se asshole
dennett literally thinks there is no such thing as experience
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35546925)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:39 PM
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Denial of the hard problem of consciousness is not the same as denying experience. The materialist position is basically that we only experience representations of the world and that these representations don't have some mysterious internal content that can't be measured. This is really the only view that is compatible with neuroscience.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547003)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: per se asshole
(guy who thinks he's a zombie)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547011)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: "'"'"''"""
Explain how qualia realism can be made consistent with neuroscience and physics, and how it explains facts about the world that a pure representationalist theory of mind cannot. Illusionism makes much more sense than competing models.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547047)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 1:47 PM Author: per se asshole
(non-mysterianist)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547060)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: spaceporn2525
(Guy who has no idea, can't answer, but will say Dennett is some sort of dummy, just because...(that's what his masters want him to "think).)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547872)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:50 PM
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Illusionism, the idea that the mind is a trick of the mind, is not coherent.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547946)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: spaceporn2525
Whats more likely ... the brainiac people suggesting this are all dummies who don't realize its incoherent... OR ... you don't understand it well enough to see that it is coherent?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547975)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:56 PM
Author: .,.,;,.,..,.,.,:,,:,..,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.
Irredeemably bad theories and movements are a necessary part of making knowledge rigorous. Is logical positivism right because Ayer said it was?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547985)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: spaceporn2525
stop doing what your doing and look at what ive written above.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547990)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: Tatsuhiro Satou
they wouldn't be the first smart people in the history of philosophy to promote ideas which we now believe are not only wrong but incoherent
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35547998)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: spaceporn2525
I don't disagree. But that's at an entirely different level than where the typical xo poaster is on the subjects at hand. I appreciate your playful chaos-bringing though!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548053)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: .,.,;,.,..,.,.,:,,:,..,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:22 PM
Author: "'"'"''"""
That isn't a correct description of illusionism. You do experience things, just not in the way that qualia realism claims you do. It isn't fundamentally different from recognizing the inaccuracy of an optical illusion.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35548214)
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Date: March 6th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: .,.,;,.,..,.,.,:,,:,..,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.
That's not what I got from reading Frankish. On my reading he wouldn't claim there's actually any experiencing
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Date: March 6th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: spaceporn2525
Sounds like you didn't understand it, tbh.
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:23 PM Author: cracking hell associate Lol at silly lawyer throwing in self-perceived wit at the end of another paragraph that took as much time to write as one with a substantive elucidation of Dennett subtle and misunderstood position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555473) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party And with this, I think my point is more than made.
I'd invite you to tell me again how he's "glib," but your sufficiently gaped at this point. |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: cracking hell associate Lol trust me, it's not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555864) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 5:25 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party How can you be trusted, though? I mean, really. You have to EARN trust and look at what you tried to do here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555949) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 6:33 PM Author: cracking hell associate Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35556368) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 3:08 PM Author: Cream french chef gaming laptop spaceporn you're seriously fucked in the head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35554876) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party not really (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35554888) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: Cream french chef gaming laptop *backs away slowly* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35554938) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Probably for the best ... for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555264) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Here's an interesting summary of Dennett's multiple drafts model, not too hard to follow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_drafts_model |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: cracking hell associate Here's a link to Dennett's clear denial of the Mary argument and evidence that physicalism is not mysteriously subtle as you claim
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterophenomenology |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:34 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party I haven't claimed anything, other than that you don't understand what you are so hellbent on claiming is "glib" or defective in some way.
More to the point of OP, what's so wrong with taking the approach as elucidated in this Wikipedia entry? Go ahead. Show me how he's wrong, or "glib". I'll wait. |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Would love a substantive response ... by anyone. Whats wrong with this interesting method Dennett promotes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555739) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: cracking hell associate Lol u just said you'd wait but then literally could not wait (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555781) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 6:35 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Well go ahead? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35556382) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: cracking hell associate I've never called it glib, though it is false. It's weird how you argue with everyone as though they're the same person. Slightly unnerving.
Also pretty funny you claim deep knowledge and cannot cite anything better than Wikipedia lol |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 6:36 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party okay, how is it false then?
Did you see how I noted that the Wikipedia article is not too difficult to get into? Why do you think I did that? |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 7:03 PM Author: cracking hell associate Its false because even if qualia are properties we can refer to "indirectly via reference to our private property-detectors" it does not follow that they can only be described subjectively in terms of provocations to action. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35556520) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 7:06 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Okay, good. I'll bookmark this and come back to it when I'm less fatigued. Query whether you are applying "provocation to action" correctly in the meantime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35556536) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 7:11 PM Author: cracking hell associate Cr acts of reidentification. Might need to read the wider context (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35556582) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:25 PM Author: abnormal disrespectful faggot firefighter native I bet you wish God had made multiple drafts of your dick before popping you in your mother’s womb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555482) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:31 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Thanks for making my point. Again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555532) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle prove to me you understand their positions on any topic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555545) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party Please see above where I make it abundantly clear what I'm asking ITT. What I have been asking is clear all along, particularly in light of your own (failed) efforts to rebut my original assertion that you don't understand Dennett enough to criticize him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555561) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle lol I consider my point proven. thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555568) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party I don't think so. As I said above:
Wouldn't a more reasonable expectation be that I was actually challenging anyone here to make a decent explanation of his position and thereafter to explain why his position was wrong? Wouldn't that be the more efficient way to rebut my initial accusation, and less subject to backtracking, deliberate obfuscation and welching on the part of disingenuous participants in the thread?
I should add that it looks like you sort of gave a half hearted try early on ITT but failed, and were gaped pretty hard, too. |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle your initial accusation is hopelessly overbroad. its like arguing with a woman who keeps hysterically saying "tell me one time I did that!!"
edit: link to gaping please. I strive to get better. |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:41 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party "Overbroad" is like the cheapest of objections. But okay, so how do you want to narrow it? Pick some aspect of his work--any aspect--and tell me how its misguided or wrong. It can be a narrow as fuck aspect of his work. Let's not play games here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555611) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle dude I am just fucking with you I don't give a flying fuck about this. admire the passion you feel for the new atheists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555621) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party I'm not expressing any passion for new atheists here. At least I don't mean to be. I'm just trying to get a sense of the basis for claiming Dennett is "glib." As a grown up, You say a philosopher is "glib" when you understand what she is saying, and you are able to articulate what you mean. I want you to do the same. If you cant, then it means you are not thinking clearly, and you've got some wierdo mental block for some reason I could hazard a guess about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555648) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:47 PM Author: Big-titted Transparent National Wrinkle lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555675) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party okay, got it. not gonna take your commentary on the "glibness" of humanist philosophers seriously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555691) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party link to gaping: you just got cute.
both are glib charlatans hth
leolenin 03/06/18
(guy who doesn't even understand what they are about, poasti...
spaceporn2525 03/06/18
this is wrong spaceporn
leolenin 03/06/18
lol again I have to say: They are fucking smart as shit. ...
spaceporn2525 03/06/18
I have read and understood extended phenotype and darwins da...
leolenin 03/06/18
great! looking forward to hearing how Dawkins is a "gl...
spaceporn2525 03/06/18
doesn't accept Jesus
leolenin 03/06/18
Your not even going to try?
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: sooty dragon rigor meaningless jibber-jabber, like most philosophy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555608) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:41 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party yeah. thanks, bro. I'll add "meaningless jibber jabber" to the list of working criticisms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555616) |
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: sooty dragon rigor write a summary in your own words of his multiple drafts model
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:47 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party I don't think so. As I said above repeatedly:
Wouldn't a more reasonable expectation be that I was actually challenging anyone here to make a decent explanation of his position and thereafter to explain why his position was wrong? Wouldn't that be the more efficient way to rebut my initial accusation, and less subject to backtracking, deliberate obfuscation and welching on the part of disingenuous participants in the thread?
(Also, I'm not your performing monkey. You think a great and interesting philosopher is "meaningless jibber jabber" so you've a ton of work to do before i'll even deign to make an effort to educate.)
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: sooty dragon rigor so you can't, good to know.
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Date: March 7th, 2018 4:51 PM Author: slate out-of-control reading party you wouldn't be able to tell if I could or couldn't, friend. Sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3911133&forum_id=2#35555698) |