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So the NRA is suing FL to protect the right of mass shooters to murder students?
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Date: March 10th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35575511) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Buff senate tank who says they aren't? didn't you see the town hall |
Date: March 11th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35580605) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: tantric provocative hairy legs principal's office I enjoy the NRA youtube ad on conservative channels that's just some dipshit in the desert shooting at rocks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35580611) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: Soul-stirring sepia forum up early for an alcoholic nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35580616) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: Comical chestnut theatre famous landscape painting Someday these hicks will get banned. Some day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35580998) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: Primrose Hall what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581008) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: elite floppy volcanic crater gay wizard the NRA is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581017) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Appetizing self-centered corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581019) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: gaped scarlet area circlehead Cayenne is the most violent spice imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581870) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Motley Lilac Hospital the NRA is suing because they feel an 18 year old is an American citizen who shouldn't have his constitutional rights squashed. Oh the horror of standing up for the Constitution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581126) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:04 PM Author: Shimmering affirmative action wagecucks Raising the purchase age to 21 is almost certainly constitutional and would likely survive strict scrutiny in even a conservative court.
FWIW I'm a gunmo, too. |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: misanthropic gas station stain Would it be constitutional to, say, prohibit anyone under 21 from publishing a book or starting a political party? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581213) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:10 PM Author: Shimmering affirmative action wagecucks Brother, are you familiar with how strict scrutiny works? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581221) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:08 PM Author: Titillating out-of-control base yes. libs decide which "rights" they like best and then give them a pass under some laughable kike "balancing" of strict scrutiny they contrive while shitting on and immediately dismissing the much more clear cut constitutional rights that merit surviving the standard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583326) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: Supple Yapping Address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35586814) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 10:22 PM Author: Kink-friendly sound barrier place of business spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591694) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:11 PM Author: Motley Lilac Hospital lol at this being "certainly" constitutional. this case will reach SCOTUS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581227) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:12 PM Author: Laughsome rose library black woman a majority opinion holding that 20 year olds can be prohibited from drinking a beer but not buying an assault rifle will be a logical tour de force i’m sure (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581233) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:12 PM Author: misanthropic gas station stain Link to the amendment that guarantees a right to buy alcohol? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581235) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:14 PM Author: Laughsome rose library black woman oh i think the idea that packing heat is a fundamental right no different than free speech is lolzy on its face. just because you’re internally consistent doesn’t mean you’re not retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581240) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:14 PM Author: misanthropic gas station stain What rights do you think the 2nd amendment protects? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581246) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:17 PM Author: Laughsome rose library black woman pretend that this post includes every argument about the ambiguity of the text and the fact it was only read to protect an individual right very recently. neither of us are going to break new ground here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581256) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: misanthropic gas station stain I'm asking YOU specifically what rights you think the 2A protects, not legal scholars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581258) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:23 PM Author: Laughsome rose library black woman i don’t particularly give that much of a fuck what the framers thought, but it refers to the modern equivalent of a well regulated militia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581298) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: misanthropic gas station stain "modern equivalent of a well regulated militia. "
Go on... |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Laughsome rose library black woman there isn’t one. we’re not relying on citizen soldiers anymore to defend the homeland (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581310) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: misanthropic gas station stain "we’re not relying on citizen soldiers anymore to defend the homeland"
Neither did the United States once the Constitution was ratified. In fact the document explicitly calls for the creation of a standing army distinct from militias, while *also* including the 2nd amendment. Why is that? |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: Domesticated buck-toothed theater stage ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581954) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 5:19 PM Author: Irradiated center pocket flask Oh yes we are. Last line of defense against enemies foreign and more importantly domestic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35582583) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35586797) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 10:28 PM Author: Irradiated center pocket flask (Invading enemy desperate to destroy a civilization superior to his own out of bitterness and resentment) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591740) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: Motley Lilac Hospital titcq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581247) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:14 PM Author: Motley Lilac Hospital show me specifically where the second amendment provides an age limit. i just did a ctrl+f and couldn't find it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581241) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: Laughsome rose library black woman the text of the second amendment isn’t the hill for either side to die on lol. i’ll save us both a few minutes and not continue down this rabbit hole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581249) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: Motley Lilac Hospital 16 year olds were packing heat and part of militias when the second amendment was adopted. explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581264) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: Shimmering affirmative action wagecucks JFC this board has become truly retarded. I know we replaced our t14 law poasters with stormfront HVAC poasters, but LJL.
*throws out law prohibiting violent threats against the president because it's not on the first amendment* *throws out laws restricting rocket launchers because it's not in the second amendment* |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Sexy boiling water this is retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581274) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: misanthropic gas station stain Ignoring the literal text of the 2A, I don't see how anyone can read about the founding fathers and not come to the conclusion that they wanted private citizens to have small arms as a check against government overreach.
Vermont, for example, explicitly mentions in its constitution that civilians should bear arms because standing armies were untrustworthy.
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: Shimmering affirmative action wagecucks I agree. But the Supreme Court continuously creates narrowly tailored exceptions to fundamental rights. Should we do away with the strict scrutiny framework and just say "no exceptions, period"? Serious question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581302) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: misanthropic gas station stain Not a lawyer (obv.). Explain how this would be different than prohibiting an 18 year old from holding a political rally or registering with a party. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581307) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: Shimmering affirmative action wagecucks Fair question. It's basically addressed here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_scrutiny (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581315) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Motley Lilac Hospital Sure, but 18 year olds have very high victimization rates. The vast majority of them who own guns aren't murdering people. Why shouldn't they be able to defend themselves? Why is it in the government's best interest to bar them from owning guns? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581352) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:42 PM Author: Shimmering affirmative action wagecucks The law doesn't ban possession or use. Just sale. You can go shooting with a family member or be gifted a gun from a family member AFAIK. That's why I think it's pretty narrowly tailored: designed to stop 18 year olds from buying guns themselves, where arguably they'd be more likely to use it illicitly. The state would point to the fact that most 18-21 year old school shooters bought the guns themselves and family didn't know. Of course the other side could show statistics of how rarely that happens (playing devil's advocate). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581378) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: Motley Lilac Hospital But what if you're a spawn of a NOWAG and don't know anyone who owns guns? How can a kyootie Korean American defend herself if a group of urban youths break into her home with the intent to rob and rape her nubile body?
What percentage of legal gun owners under 21 are using their guns illicitly? Why punish the vast majority of them if only 0.00001% of them are doing school shootings? |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: Shimmering affirmative action wagecucks Summon: concerned dad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581435) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: Motley Lilac Hospital why were 16 year olds part of armed militias in 1791 when the second amendment was adopted? did the 2A say anything about those 16 year olds? why have their constitutional rights now been stripped? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581288) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:16 PM Author: Opaque Arousing Temple alcohol = poison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581251) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: Laughsome rose library black woman it’s one thing if ARE country idiots wants to subject themselves to mass shootings and lunatics armed with ar-15s. whatever federalism and all that. you mouthbreathers can resolve this amongst yourselves.
i find it way more infuriating that they would sue the city of chicago for experimenting with a different approach |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 3:05 PM Author: elite floppy volcanic crater gay wizard yeah but that's because you're a 92 IQ spearchucker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581864) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: spectacular parlour actually women's rights
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/nra+vs+bondi.pdf
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This ban particularly infringes upon, and imposes an impermissible burden upon, the Second Amendment rights of those NRA Members described above who are female. Females between the ages of 18 and 21 pose a relatively slight risk of perpetrating a school shooting such as the one that occurred at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, or, for that matter, a violent crime of any kind. For example, in 2015, women in this age group accounted for only 1.8% of arrests for violent crime, while males in the same age bracket accounted for 8.7% of such arrests—and males between the ages of 21 and 24, who may lawfully purchase firearms under current law, accounted for 9.2%. See Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States: 2015 tbls. 39 and 40, available at https://goo.gl/8pVWnb; see also BUREAU OF JUSTICE STATISTICS, WOMEN OFFENDERS at 2, 13 (2009) (female offenders responsible for only 14% of violent crimes, and only 10% of female offenders aged 18-20), available at https://goo.gl/3qAJXu. Regardless of its facial validity, Florida’s ban is therefore unconstitutional, void, and invalid as applied to women between the ages of 18 and 21. |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 1:43 PM Author: Motley Lilac Hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581384) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: Vivacious locus athletic conference the solution is to arm teachers with rifles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581807) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581853) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 3:16 PM Author: Vivacious locus athletic conference 1) 10<17 2) the teacher in the next classroom comes over with his/her rifle and blasts the sonofagun to kingdom come. It's not rocket science. |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35582574) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 5:21 PM Author: Buff senate tank lol, can you really not come up with a way to kill 10-30 kids without a gun? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35582590) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 5:42 PM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35582727) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 5:56 PM Author: Buff senate tank ah, what goal posts? now 10+ children die in school shootings 5-10x a year, dipshit? |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: Buff senate tank why the fuck do you think there exists a solution that will stop someone from killing 10 people if they are willing to die doing that? teachers wouldn't have rifles, they'd have pistols, concealed or open carry. that doesn't matter. some should probably have or be able to carry concealed, though. that's the true deterrent. you want to kill students in school? you will likely die before you're done not only does letting teachers be armed protect kids without adding the cost of armed security, it gets rid of the problem you point out. if only one armed guard is in a school, he's likely to be the first one taken out. of course, cruz didn't do that and it worked out for him, but logically, that's the first guy a school shooter would take out. plus, arming teachers doesn't infringe on anyone's rights. that's one of its most important aspects. of course of course of course, arming teachers creates its own set of problems. a crazy teacher will kill a student sooner or later, a student will get a teacher's gun sooner or later and kill someone, etc no solution is perfect. the retard left thinks that getting rid of guns is the best solution, though. durr durr no guns, no gun violence. |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 5:43 PM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35582731) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 5:58 PM Author: Buff senate tank in schools? total deaths or total shootings? what are you defining as mass shootings? i know you're playing retard flame, but play it out
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:16 PM Author: Vivacious locus athletic conference teachers need to have rifles. A handgun is relatively puny against a rifle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583360) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:20 PM Author: Buff senate tank it's not fort knox and we're talking about an environment with close shots, not elk hunting. pistols are far more practical and likely to be accessible when needed. if schools determine they want rifles, so be it you do know that pistols are fully capable of making you just as dead as a rifle, right? this isn't a video game where a pistol only lowers your life force 20%, right? rifles shoot puny bullets just like pistols, right? |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:26 PM Author: Vivacious locus athletic conference Rifles have much better range and accuracy than handguns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583413) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:27 PM Author: Buff senate tank durr. why do you think cops carry handguns and not rifles? do you think they are in environments that have less range than a school? |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:28 PM Author: Vivacious locus athletic conference An increasing number of cops are getting rifles because an increasing number of bad guys are using them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583428) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:29 PM Author: Buff senate tank an increasing number of cops are getting rifles because an increasing number of bad guys are using them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583437) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:32 PM Author: Vivacious locus athletic conference Also if the shooter has body armor a pistol won't penetrate that but a rifle will. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583460) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:37 PM Author: Buff senate tank if the shooter has body armor a pistol won't penetrate that but a rifle will (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583489) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:39 PM Author: Vivacious locus athletic conference Also ask any cop, if they're going against a shooter with a rifle, would they rather have a pistol or a rifle? The answer is going to be a rifle, X1000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583512) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:46 PM Author: Buff senate tank good news. low voltage lights last a long time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583556) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 3:08 PM Author: gaped scarlet area circlehead A major conservative principle is trampling on state rights (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581890) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35581898) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 5:22 PM Author: vibrant apoplectic plaza (John Wilkes Booth) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35582596) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: Irradiated center pocket flask There’s not state right to strip constitutional rights from adults faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35582680) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:38 PM Author: spectacular parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583503) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583563) |
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Date: March 11th, 2018 7:51 PM Author: Buff senate tank he said adults, meaning citizens now they are defended
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Date: March 11th, 2018 8:01 PM Author: spectacular parlour Constitution disallows restricting voting on race, gender, or age under 18; says nothing about the state having voter id laws are substantially related to the government's important interest in making sure only registered citizens actually cast a ballot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35583653) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 12:01 PM Author: vibrant apoplectic plaza libs think black people are so dumb they're unable to obtain ID, even if we give it to everyone for free. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35587141) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 8:12 PM Author: spectacular parlour democrats have always been racists who are terrified that black americans can stand without government (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35590842) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: Supple Yapping Address lmao, so could every state restrict gun ownership to people 100 or older? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35586821) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 11:35 AM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35586988) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 12:02 PM Author: vibrant apoplectic plaza You've got to go back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35587145) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 8:13 PM Author: Irradiated center pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35590852) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 12:04 PM Author: Supple Yapping Address this is why we have a constitution. people can choose to amend it if they want to change or clarify the rights enumerated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35587156) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 8:50 PM Author: Irradiated center pocket flask And If the people chose to enslave small dicked NOWIGS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591112) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 9:32 PM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591410) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 9:59 PM Author: Irradiated center pocket flask “BUT THE FOOTNOTE!!!” he shrieked as he was chained onto the train.
100MM firearms says you can’t restrict gun ownership to age 100+. You only have the rights you can prevent others from taking from you. |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 10:11 PM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591613) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 10:15 PM Author: Irradiated center pocket flask Come and take faggot. Something tells me it won’t be you knocking on doors demanding guns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591645) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 10:16 PM Author: Olive Locale Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591654) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 10:21 PM Author: Irradiated center pocket flask So annoying when immigrants leave their dumps, come here, and want to turn America into the dumps they left. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591685) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 8:50 PM Author: insane lemon people who are hurt it's heartbreaking, but logical to see that the 2nd amendment right is ironclad; this is what nonlawyers cannot comprehend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591117) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 10:16 PM Author: Irradiated center pocket flask Nothing heartbreaking about it. Without it America would have been conquered long ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591658) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 10:24 PM Author: insane lemon people who are hurt America is the one country on earth no nation is capable of invading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591700) |
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Date: March 12th, 2018 10:14 PM Author: haunting ungodly roommate blood rage Even by XO standards, this thread is a retarded pile of shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3914977&forum_id=2#35591641) |