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If you're having two kids is boy/boy or boy/girl more CR?

Already have one boy, finding out tonight if second is boy o...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
how bout you pull for a healthy child and mother
Carnelian Hairy Legs Selfie
  03/19/18
(103 iq scholar getting 27 likes on facebook
Ivory Gay Wizard
  03/19/18
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Buck-toothed Theater Filthpig
  03/19/18
fair point, Wilbur.
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
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aphrodisiac unhinged principal's office dog poop
  03/19/18
All boys is always tcr
Mind-boggling psychic
  03/19/18
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abnormal abode sneaky criminal
  03/19/18
girsl are mor elikely to take care of you in old age and kee...
heady elastic band
  03/19/18
that's the appeal of a girl, tbh. that, and it seems like t...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
I can confirm re crazy toddler. But they say high school gir...
heady elastic band
  03/19/18
that's what I've heard to. With boys you're front-loading t...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
Girl then boy is ideal It’s too late for you haha sorry a...
kink-friendly deep son of senegal death wish
  03/19/18
I don't agree with that at all----if I'd had a girl first I'...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
Look, I’d love to throw a ball with my little boy too. But ...
kink-friendly deep son of senegal death wish
  03/19/18
There are actually some studies on this. Boys with an older...
heady elastic band
  03/19/18
Same, no sisters. Had to learn a lot of shit on my own. ...
kink-friendly deep son of senegal death wish
  03/19/18
Exactly. Shrink I know passed on the info on studies. I go...
heady elastic band
  03/19/18
Which raises the question, why the hell is incest considered...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
(((producers))) are running out of ways to undermine society...
heady elastic band
  03/19/18
I wanted 2 boys because i think same sex have higher chance ...
Filthy round eye boistinker
  03/19/18
lmao at baby nutelliot rodger's early warning signs
excitant glassy idea he suggested
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kink-friendly deep son of senegal death wish
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aphrodisiac unhinged principal's office dog poop
  03/19/18
Our son really wants a sister for some reason, so it looks l...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
Lol, yeah, my son always said sister when I asked him what h...
Filthy round eye boistinker
  03/19/18
I do wonder about the experience of having a sibling suddenl...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
I am an only child too so I have no experience either. My h...
Filthy round eye boistinker
  03/19/18
Your husband has a point---I remember with our first I paid ...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
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Chocolate cumskin
  03/19/18
boys. always boys.
Mildly autistic hunting ground police squad
  03/19/18
I'd rather have two of the same. seems like less work and m...
hairless smoky business firm
  03/19/18
Doesn't really matter. People's biological sex at birth has...
Stubborn Olive Goal In Life Travel Guidebook
  03/19/18
sadly true these days, lol!
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
Same siblings close together can become competitive. You hav...
brindle pisswyrm
  03/19/18
It's going to be close to a 4 year age gap by the time the n...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
UPDATE: It's a boy!
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
180
hairless smoky business firm
  03/19/18
Congrats! Wifey will likely push for a 3rd so be ready!
brindle pisswyrm
  03/19/18
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Snowy Awkward Fanboi Reading Party
  03/19/18
i would never push for a 3rd
Snowy Awkward Fanboi Reading Party
  03/19/18
Thanks! Unfortunately I we'll be a little too old to go for ...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
how old is too old to go for a kid?
Snowy Awkward Fanboi Reading Party
  03/19/18
Well, probably biologically it would be possible but she'd b...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
congratulations btw!
Snowy Awkward Fanboi Reading Party
  03/19/18
thanks!
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
It's going to be really tough for her to give up on the idea...
brindle pisswyrm
  03/19/18
You might very well be right---she does seem to get weirdly ...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
In the beginning it's "haha wow holy shit" but it ...
brindle pisswyrm
  03/19/18
Interesting. Ty.
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
the more you have of one sex the more likley it is you'll ha...
heady elastic band
  03/19/18
Congrats
Spectacular peach menage
  03/19/18
Thank you:)
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
Yay!!! No need to buy new clothes and they can fight and be...
Filthy round eye boistinker
  03/19/18
I'm relieved about not having to buy new toys---we have frie...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
Well we are not getting any girl toys or dollhouse things so...
Filthy round eye boistinker
  03/19/18
I could never tell how much of the "girl toy" thin...
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
Yeah I’m not against gender specific toys, I just don’t want...
Filthy round eye boistinker
  03/19/18
congrats
heady elastic band
  03/19/18
thanks very much!
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
congrats, brother!
honey-headed dragon station
  03/19/18
Thank you!
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18
If you're only having two, I say boy/boy. Boys need a brothe...
hilarious stimulating plaza patrolman
  03/19/18
thank you, brother. i'm pretty happy with the outcome.
Appetizing rusted center
  03/19/18


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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

Already have one boy, finding out tonight if second is boy or girl (or zhe).

What should I be pulling for?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35638977)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:47 PM
Author: Carnelian Hairy Legs Selfie

how bout you pull for a healthy child and mother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35638988)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:48 PM
Author: Ivory Gay Wizard

(103 iq scholar getting 27 likes on facebook



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:50 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Theater Filthpig



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:56 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

fair point, Wilbur.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639075)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: aphrodisiac unhinged principal's office dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639560)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:50 PM
Author: Mind-boggling psychic

All boys is always tcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639020)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: abnormal abode sneaky criminal



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: heady elastic band

girsl are mor elikely to take care of you in old age and keep family together

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639060)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:55 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

that's the appeal of a girl, tbh. that, and it seems like they might be a little less crazy in the toddler years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639066)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:57 PM
Author: heady elastic band

I can confirm re crazy toddler. But they say high school girls are 120.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639085)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

that's what I've heard to. With boys you're front-loading the hassle but the high school years are blessedly free of drama.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639106)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: kink-friendly deep son of senegal death wish

Girl then boy is ideal

It’s too late for you haha sorry about that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639064)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:57 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

I don't agree with that at all----if I'd had a girl first I'd have been really hoping for a boy this time around. As it is I'm pretty indifferent as to which it is.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639080)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: kink-friendly deep son of senegal death wish

Look, I’d love to throw a ball with my little boy too. But girls are a calming presence in the early years while the boy would otherwise cause ruckus, and in turn he will look out and protect her once she’s high school age to minimize your headache.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639218)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: heady elastic band

There are actually some studies on this. Boys with an older sister have better life outcomes and are generally more socialized. We had only boys growing up and I never understood any girl shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639327)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: kink-friendly deep son of senegal death wish

Same, no sisters. Had to learn a lot of shit on my own.

Link to these studies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639349)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: heady elastic band

Exactly. Shrink I know passed on the info on studies. I googled it and got back porn links and stopped.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639644)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

Which raises the question, why the hell is incest considered so hot these days? I really don't get it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639689)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: heady elastic band

(((producers))) are running out of ways to undermine society

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639714)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Filthy round eye boistinker

I wanted 2 boys because i think same sex have higher chance of being close, but 2nd is a girl. Also the mother has more responsibility when puberty hits and self esteem issues come up. I don’t really want to deal with that. I was actually a bit disappointed but got over it in like a day. I’m hoping for a sweeter, less demonic toddler.

I bought my son Daniel tiger’s baby sister stuffed animal and said “this is your baby sister, please take care of her.” He slammed her against the wall and then ran all his toy trucks over her. When I asked him why he did that, he said “she’s crying.” Auspicious start.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639281)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: excitant glassy idea he suggested

lmao at baby nutelliot rodger's early warning signs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639300)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: kink-friendly deep son of senegal death wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639302)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:46 PM
Author: Frum clown garrison



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Date: March 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: supple crystalline french chef tanning salon



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Date: March 19th, 2018 7:34 PM
Author: aphrodisiac unhinged principal's office dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35640631)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

Our son really wants a sister for some reason, so it looks like he might be disappointed.

Really, I think you're getting the better deal. I think it would be fun to get a chance to raise one of each.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639402)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: Filthy round eye boistinker

Lol, yeah, my son always said sister when I asked him what he wanted before we found out. I think they view it as less competition. He’s in for a shock regardless since he’s used to getting all the attention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639461)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

I do wonder about the experience of having a sibling suddenly show up. I was an only child so I don't really have any experience with this sort of this, but I can't imagine it's pleasant to have someone show up and take up a healthy chunk of your parents' time and attention.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639505)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:47 PM
Author: Filthy round eye boistinker

I am an only child too so I have no experience either. My husband is 1 of 3 and said that he’s now realized that every kid after the first basically is an afterthought and gets screwed attention wise. The first at least had a period where they were the only and parents were super attentive due to caring too much. I’m much more worried about how my sons going to adjust than caring for the lump of a newborn that I can just stuff in the rock n play.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639546)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:51 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

Your husband has a point---I remember with our first I paid a lot of attention during the ultrasounds and was charting crown-rump length measurements and things like that.

This time around I'm much less into the details of the process. I imagine that'll carry over once he's born.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639573)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: Chocolate cumskin



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: Mildly autistic hunting ground police squad

boys. always boys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639289)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: hairless smoky business firm

I'd rather have two of the same. seems like less work and more likely they'd be close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639316)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:22 PM
Author: Stubborn Olive Goal In Life Travel Guidebook

Doesn't really matter. People's biological sex at birth has little to do with their ultimate gender identity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639325)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

sadly true these days, lol!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639408)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:30 PM
Author: brindle pisswyrm

Same siblings close together can become competitive. You have an older brother no matter what which his great. A girl means he can hit on her friends when they're older lol. Also less pressure for a third if you're hoping to stop at 2.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639382)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

It's going to be close to a 4 year age gap by the time the new one's here. I'm not sure what that means in terms of getting along, competition, things like that.

You're right, though---hitting on a little sister's friends is 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639428)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:30 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

UPDATE: It's a boy!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639385)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: hairless smoky business firm

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639388)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: brindle pisswyrm

Congrats! Wifey will likely push for a 3rd so be ready!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639398)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Snowy Awkward Fanboi Reading Party



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Snowy Awkward Fanboi Reading Party

i would never push for a 3rd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639404)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

Thanks! Unfortunately I we'll be a little too old to go for a third.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639416)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Snowy Awkward Fanboi Reading Party

how old is too old to go for a kid?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639419)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

Well, probably biologically it would be possible but she'd be pushing late 30's by the time it came time to do anything about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639439)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Snowy Awkward Fanboi Reading Party

congratulations btw!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639450)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

thanks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639464)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:44 PM
Author: brindle pisswyrm

It's going to be really tough for her to give up on the idea of a girl once she's packing the last of the baby stuff away. The pressure will be strong. But enjoy #2! It is 180^180 watching the sibling interactions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639530)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

You might very well be right---she does seem to get weirdly emotional when she packs away his clothes when he outgrows them, so I could see that happening.

How much extra work is it when you another one to the mix?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639556)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: brindle pisswyrm

In the beginning it's "haha wow holy shit" but it honestly depends a lot on what kind of baby he is and how big an age difference. [redacted] First few months will suck no matter what and then around 12 weeks it gets 180 again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639572)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:51 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

Interesting. Ty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639579)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: heady elastic band

the more you have of one sex the more likley it is you'll have another

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/05/schwandt-familly-boys-sons/308138002/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639654)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Spectacular peach menage

Congrats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639409)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

Thank you:)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639444)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:40 PM
Author: Filthy round eye boistinker

Yay!!! No need to buy new clothes and they can fight and be close too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639470)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:44 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

I'm relieved about not having to buy new toys---we have friends who have daughters and I just don't "get" the toys they play with. Whereas most everything my son plays with seems like fun and I can relate to.

Edit: Now I just have to hope he doesn't inherit his mom's 5'1 height.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639521)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:01 PM
Author: Filthy round eye boistinker

Well we are not getting any girl toys or dollhouse things so she will have to make due with the construction vehicles we have.

It’s funny that you talk about “getting” the toys because I find it incredibly boring to build duplo and lining up trains and crashing cars and my husband really enjoys it. I mean I enjoy playing with my son, but I don’t enjoy the toys themselves the way my husband does. There’s this tonka garbage truck in particular that my husband said “wow he’s so lucky he has this toy, I would’ve gone nuts over this as a kid” and I’m thinking “really? It’s a stupid garbage truck.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639634)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

I could never tell how much of the "girl toy" thing is parents picking the stuff out and sending the kid on a certain path and how much is baked in the cake.

We know one couple that is very insistent on making their daughter play with gender-neutral or boy toys and whenever I see her with other kids she's losing her shit over shopkins or some princess outfit.

I really just feel like I'm biding my time until I can play sports with my son. That's what I'm really looking forward to. But until then it is pretty fun to play with marble runs and build train tracks. Stuff my wife enjoys, but I suspect not as much as my son and I do.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639683)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:17 PM
Author: Filthy round eye boistinker

Yeah I’m not against gender specific toys, I just don’t want to spend unnecessary money into getting a whole new set of toys since our house is already a disaster zone of bright plastic. We didn’t push anything on our son and he just naturally gravitated toward all the stereotypically boy stuff. If the girl goes nuts over the tea parties, I’ll have to accommodate but I’m really curious how much of it is nurture v nature.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639757)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: heady elastic band

congrats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639646)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:09 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

thanks very much!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639691)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: honey-headed dragon station

congrats, brother!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639682)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:09 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

Thank you!

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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: hilarious stimulating plaza patrolman

If you're only having two, I say boy/boy. Boys need a brother. I only have an older sister.

Girls I know with sisters only seem to bitch about them, even if they're "close"

EDIT: Just saw you're having a boy. Congrats, think that's the best outcome you could get

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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: Appetizing rusted center

thank you, brother. i'm pretty happy with the outcome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639454)