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NYT: nigs cant help being dumb/lazy, even when growing up in rich families

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-c...
sinister smoky house
  03/20/18
Pretty niggerish and lazy to not copy and paste here
cheese-eating histrionic stock car jap
  03/20/18
Extensive Data Shows Punishing Reach of Racism for Black Bo...
sinister smoky house
  03/20/18
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sinister smoky house
  03/20/18
long thread on this yesterday. Please use search function, t...
topaz nursing home
  03/20/18
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Cracking dead market circlehead
  03/20/18
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Cracking dead market circlehead
  03/20/18
women of all races make their own glass ceilings. otherwis...
Violent trump supporter
  03/20/18
Where are they even getting their stats from? How do they kn...
bronze laughsome mental disorder
  03/20/18
census information. they are linking family income/geographi...
swashbuckling scarlet orchestra pit
  03/20/18
not hard to imagine that rich blacks are not as established ...
bipolar hell
  03/20/18
I'm not even sure it's that as a top 1% black is still going...
bronze laughsome mental disorder
  03/20/18
Hispanics had a much smaller gap that also appears to dimini...
ivory medicated menage
  03/20/18
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Cracking dead market circlehead
  03/20/18
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Violent trump supporter
  03/20/18
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Cracking dead market circlehead
  03/20/18
the glaring hole in this analysis is the fact that they are ...
swashbuckling scarlet orchestra pit
  03/20/18
A hole in this article is the failure to mention that a lot ...
bronze laughsome mental disorder
  03/20/18
"'It’s not just being black but being male that has bee...
Motley Self-absorbed Voyeur Striped Hyena
  03/20/18
I honestly don't see how any of that is relevant for wealthy...
bronze laughsome mental disorder
  03/20/18
"The disparities that remain also can’t be explained by...
flushed balding base
  03/20/18


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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: sinister smoky house

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645137)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:36 PM
Author: cheese-eating histrionic stock car jap

Pretty niggerish and lazy to not copy and paste here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645140)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: sinister smoky house

Extensive Data Shows Punishing

Reach of Racism for Black Boys

By EMILY BADGER, CLAIRE CAIN MILLER, ADAM PEARCE and KEVIN QUEALY MARCH 19, 2018

Black boys raised in America, even in the wealthiest families and living in some of the most well-to-do neighborhoods, still earn less in adulthood than white boys with similar backgrounds, according to a sweeping new study that traced the lives of millions of children.

White boys who grow up rich are likely to remain that way. Black boys raised at the top, however, are more likely to become poor than to stay wealthy in their own adult households.

Even when children grow up next to each other with parents who earn similar incomes, black boys fare worse than white boys in 99 percent of America. And the gaps only worsen in the kind of neighborhoods that promise low poverty and good schools.

According to the study, led by researchers at Stanford, Harvard and the Census Bureau, income inequality between blacks and whites is driven entirely by what is happening among these boys and the men they become. Though black girls and women face deep inequality on many measures, black and white girls from families with comparable earnings attain similar individual incomes as adults.

Large income gaps persist between men — but not women.

“You would have thought at some point you escape the poverty trap,” said Nathaniel Hendren, a Harvard economist and an author of the study.

Black boys — even rich black boys — can seemingly never assume that.

The study, based on anonymous earnings and demographic data for virtually all Americans now in their late 30s, debunks a number of other widely held hypotheses about income inequality. Gaps persisted even when black and white boys grew up in families with the same income, similar family structures, similar education levels and even similar levels of accumulated wealth.

The disparities that remain also can’t be explained by differences in cognitive ability, an argument made by people who cite racial gaps in test scores that appear for both black boys and girls. If such inherent differences existed by race, “you’ve got to explain to me why these putative ability differences aren’t handicapping women,” said David Grusky, a Stanford sociologist who has reviewed the research.

A more likely possibility, the authors suggest, is that test scores don’t accurately measure the abilities of black children in the first place.

If this inequality can’t be explained by individual or household traits, much of what matters probably lies outside the home — in surrounding neighborhoods, in the economy and in a society that views black boys differently from white boys, and even from black girls.

“One of the most popular liberal post-racial ideas is the idea that the fundamental problem is class and not race, and clearly this study explodes that idea,” said Ibram Kendi, a professor and director of the Antiracist Research and Policy Center at American University. “But for whatever reason, we’re unwilling to stare racism in the face.”

The authors, including the Stanford economist Raj Chetty and two census researchers, Maggie R. Jones and Sonya R. Porter, tried to identify neighborhoods where poor black boys do well, and as well as whites.

“The problem,” Mr. Chetty said, “is that there are essentially no such neighborhoods in America.”

The few neighborhoods that met this standard were in areas that showed less discrimination in surveys and tests of racial bias. They mostly had low poverty rates. And, intriguingly, these pockets — including parts of the Maryland suburbs of Washington, and corners of Queens and the Bronx — were the places where many lower-income black children had fathers at home. Poor black boys did well in such places, whether their own fathers were present or not.

“That is a pathbreaking finding,” said William Julius Wilson, a Harvard sociologist whose books have chronicled the economic struggles of black men. “They’re not talking about the direct effects of a boy’s own parents’ marital status. They’re talking about the presence of fathers in a given census tract.”

Other fathers in the community can provide boys with role models and mentors, researchers say, and their presence may indicate other neighborhood factors that benefit families, like lower incarceration rates and better job opportunities.

The research makes clear that there is something unique about the obstacles black males face. The gap between Hispanics and whites is narrower, and their incomes will converge within a couple of generations if mobility stays the same. Asian-Americans earn more than whites raised at the same income level, or about the same when first-generation immigrants are excluded. Only Native Americans have an income gap comparable to African-Americans. But the disparities are widest for black boys.

“This crystallizes and puts data behind this thing that we always knew was there because we either felt it ourselves or we’ve seen it over time,” said Will Jawando, 35, who worked in the Obama White House on My Brother’s Keeper, a mentoring initiative for black boys. Even without this data, the people who worked on that project, he said, believed that individual and structural racism targeted black men in ways that required policies devised specifically for them.

Mr. Jawando, the son of a Nigerian father and a white mother, grew up poor in Silver Spring, Md. The Washington suburb contains some of the rare neighborhoods where black and white boys appear to do equally well. Mr. Jawando, who identifies as black, is now a married lawyer with three daughters. He is among the black boys who climbed from the bottom to the top.

He was one of the 20 million children born between 1978 and 1983 whose lives are reflected in the study. Using census data that included tax files, the researchers were able to link the adult fortunes of those children to their parents’ incomes. Names and addresses were hidden from the researchers.

Previous research suggests some reasons there may be a large income gap between black and white men, but not between women, even though women of color face both sexism and racism.

Other studies show that boys, across races, are more sensitive than girls to disadvantages like growing up in poverty or facing discrimination. While black women also face negative effects of racism, black men often experience racial discrimination differently. As early as preschool, they are more likely to be disciplined in school. They are pulled over or detained and searched by police officers more often.

“It’s not just being black but being male that has been hyper-stereotyped in this negative way, in which we’ve made black men scary, intimidating, with a propensity toward violence,” said Noelle Hurd, a psychology professor at the University of Virginia.

She said this racist stereotype particularly hurts black men economically, now that service-sector jobs, requiring interaction with customers, have replaced the manufacturing jobs that previously employed men with less education.

The new data shows that 21 percent of black men raised at the very bottom were incarcerated, according to a snapshot of a single day during the 2010 census. Black men raised in the top 1 percent — by millionaires — were as likely to be incarcerated as white men raised in households earning about $36,000.

At the same time, boys benefit more than girls from adult attention and resources, as do low-income and nonwhite children, a variety of studies have found. Mentors who aren’t children’s parents, but who share those children’s gender and race, serve a particularly important role for black children, Ms. Hurd has found. That helps explain why the presence of black fathers in a neighborhood, even if not in a child’s home, appears to make a difference.

Some of the widest black-white income gaps in this study appear in wealthy communities. This fits with previous research that has shown that the effects of racial discrimination cross class lines. Although all children benefit from growing up in places with higher incomes and more resources, black children do not benefit nearly as much as white children do. Moving black boys to opportunity is no guarantee they can tap into it.

“Simply because you’re in an area that is more affluent, it’s still hard for black boys to present themselves as independent from the stereotype of black criminality,” said Khiara Bridges, a professor of law and anthropology at Boston University who has written a coming paper on discrimination against affluent black people.

This dynamic still weighs on Mr. Jawando. He has a good income, multiple degrees and political aspirations — he is running for county council in Montgomery County, where he grew up. But in his own community, he is careful to dress like a professional.

“I think if I’m putting on a sweatsuit, if I go somewhere, will I be seen as just kind of a hood black guy?” he said. “Or will people recognize me at all?” Those small daily decisions — to wear a blazer or not — follow him despite his success. “I don’t think you escape those things,” he said.

OTHER FINDINGS FROM THE RESEARCH

This study makes it possible to look in greater detail at interrelated disparities that researchers have long studied around income, marriage rates and incarceration. Here are some of the other findings.

There’s a large gap in the marriage rates of white and black Americans, even after accounting for income.

One reason income gaps between whites and blacks appear so large at the household level is that black men and women are less likely to be married. That means their households are more likely to have a single income — not two. For this reason and others, many point to differences in family structure as a primary driver of racial income inequality. If black children don’t have married parents, the argument goes, they’re more likely to grow up with fewer resources and less adult attention at home.

This study found, however, that broad income disparities still exist between black and white men even when they’re raised in homes with the same incomes and the same family structure.

The income gap exists for black and white boys if they had one parent in the house or two.

As this chart shows, a black man raised by two parents together in the 90th percentile — making around $140,000 a year — earns about the same in adulthood as a white man raised by a single mother making $60,000 alone.

The high mobility rate for Asian-Americans is partly about immigration.

Asian-Americans earn more in adulthood than whites who were raised in families with similar incomes. But that advantage largely disappears when the researchers look only at children whose parents were born in the United States. Non-immigrant Asian-Americans fare about as well in the economy as whites. (The study did not divide immigrant mothers into smaller groups by origin.)

The worst places for poor white children are almost all better than the best places for poor black children.

In previous work, some of these same researchers looked at how the prospects for poor children vary depending on where they grow up. The middle map above shows those earlier results: Poor children appeared to have less opportunity in the Southeast and more in the Northern Great Plains. With the new data, it’s now possible to look at the effects of geography separately for blacks and whites.

Poor white children struggle in parts of the Southeast and Appalachia. But they still fare better there than poor black children do in most of America. In effect, the worst places for whites produce outcomes that are about as good as the best places for blacks. These new maps also suggest that part of the reason the Southeast looks bad for all children, in the middle map, is that the region is home to many black children who fare particularly poorly there.

Very few nonwhite Americans started at the very top.

African-Americans made up about 35 percent of all children raised in the bottom 1 percent of the income distribution. They made up less than 1 percent of the children at the very top. This picture captures both a source of racial inequality and a consequence of it. White children are more likely to start life with economic advantages. But we now know that even when they start with the same advantages as black children, white boys still fare better, only reinforcing the disparities seen here.

The Real Starting Positions

The ladder charts so far have shown equal numbers of black and white boys raised by rich or poor families — what would happen, in other words, if we started with 10,000 boys, and half were black and half white.

In reality, whites and blacks are not represented equally across the income spectrum. More than two-thirds of black boys are raised by poor or lower-middle-class families, while more than half of white boys are raised by rich or upper-middle-class families. The chart below depicts boys from every income quintile – not just the top or bottom ones – proportioned according to their real starting places in life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645150)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: sinister smoky house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645252)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: topaz nursing home

long thread on this yesterday. Please use search function, thank

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645279)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:15 PM
Author: Cracking dead market circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645406)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:20 PM
Author: Cracking dead market circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645430)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 2:55 PM
Author: Violent trump supporter

women of all races

make

their own glass ceilings. otherwise, don't disagree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35646105)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:24 PM
Author: bronze laughsome mental disorder

Where are they even getting their stats from? How do they know who grew up in a high-earning family?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645449)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:27 PM
Author: swashbuckling scarlet orchestra pit

census information. they are linking family income/geographic area to your ID and then tracking your taxes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645469)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:27 PM
Author: bipolar hell

not hard to imagine that rich blacks are not as established and well connected as rich whites

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645474)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: bronze laughsome mental disorder

I'm not even sure it's that as a top 1% black is still going to have a ton of options available. The biggest factor, imo, is that black guys aren't marrying. As a result, they have little incentive to strive to make more since they aren't supporting a family.

If a man opts out of marriage, the reason for striving to make more money pretty much dies since there's no inertia for them to do so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645485)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:31 PM
Author: ivory medicated menage

Hispanics had a much smaller gap that also appears to diminish to no gap after several generations in the US. There was also no gap between black and white women. Asian immigrants did better than whites with income mobility (though later generations reverted to whites). It's really just black males that are the outlier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645494)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:31 PM
Author: Cracking dead market circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645496)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 2:55 PM
Author: Violent trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35646107)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: Cracking dead market circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645486)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:31 PM
Author: swashbuckling scarlet orchestra pit

the glaring hole in this analysis is the fact that they are not controlling for the education/IQ/behavior of black males themselves. if they are less educated than the comparable white cohort (grew up in households at the same income level) then its obvious that they wont match white income/wealth

*obviously* its racism according to libs not the actions of black males in HS/College/post college

if you are completely open to exploring all possibilities i would say that black culture itself imposes a big penalty on black males vs black females - keeping it real etc. along with lower IQ and that should explain the large deviance. black females dont have to hood rat shit in general if they are educated and upper class (BS is an outlier)

also blacks/whites/asians didn't fall from the sky. we can look at their places of origins to infer additional information. if its just white racism then why is a country with 100M blacks like Nigeria SPS in science/tech? they have been independent for a few generations already

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645500)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 1:35 PM
Author: bronze laughsome mental disorder

A hole in this article is the failure to mention that a lot of high earning black families are in the entertainment industry. This basically means that education may not be stressed as much as it would be since there's a good chance the parents may not have made their money as a result of education.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645535)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 2:16 PM
Author: Motley Self-absorbed Voyeur Striped Hyena

"'It’s not just being black but being male that has been hyper-stereotyped in this negative way, in which we’ve made black men scary, intimidating, with a propensity toward violence,' said Noelle Hurd, a psychology professor at the University of Virginia."

Yeah, we "made" them scary. Actual tangible realities had nothing to do with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35645809)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 2:46 PM
Author: bronze laughsome mental disorder

I honestly don't see how any of that is relevant for wealthy blacks. If wealthy, you can just start a business and pick and choose who you deal with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35646046)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: flushed balding base

"The disparities that remain also can’t be explained by differences in cognitive ability, an argument made by people who cite racial gaps in test scores that appear for both black boys and girls. If such inherent differences existed by race, “you’ve got to explain to me why these putative ability differences aren’t handicapping women,” said David Grusky, a Stanford sociologist who has reviewed the research.

A more likely possibility, the authors suggest, is that test scores don’t accurately measure the abilities of black children in the first place."

actually lol'd at work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923695&forum_id=2#35646197)