Libtertarianism really died out in the US, didn't it?
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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: Burgundy Spot Messiness
"Open borders isn't incompatible with any of those things"
As I said, this is exactly why libertarianism ceased to exist.
"Also, anarchism is perfectly fine with rules and infrastructure investment, etc., so long as the means are genuinely cooperative."
That actually is libertarianism, at least if you mean that there has to be a government that administers these rules. Anarchism means no government. You can adopt the notion of self-regulation without government but it doesn't pass the straight face test anymore than the libertarian solutions to the open border problem.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647275) |
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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:42 PM Author: mustard dingle berry philosopher-king
I think anarchism is viable but would require non-anarchist means at the outset.
The only way I see a principled right-wing libertarian now supporting the alt-right due to open borders is as a temporary marriage of convenience. They must believe that immigration has to be halted now, not because "the country" will be destroyed ethnically, culturally, or religiously, but because there is a clear and present danger that any further immigration will cause the political system to pass the point of no return so far as the future viability of libertarian policies are concerned.
The problem is that this alliance cannot be a temporary stopgap measure. As capitalism continues to ravage the Third World (consider increasing environmental disasters owing to global warming), the pressures of immigration will only grow. Libertarianism is dead.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647431) |
Date: March 20th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: Galvanic Mental Disorder
most libertarians finally figured out that "libertarian" society doesn't work when the majority of your population is < 100 IQ retards from 3rd world countries and women who are content to leech off the system indefinitely
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35646983)
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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:53 PM Author: magical immigrant
libertarianism was always, for the vast majority in it, a refuge position for rightists and nationalists who wanted a political program that gave them some plausible deniability. they were socially conservative but not SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES so they claimed "socially liberal" to try and dodge being a REPUBLIKKKAN
when libs started going after that refuge more, and actual crazy social libs started to take over libertarian movement resources, plus nationalism became articulable again, it fell apart.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647061) |
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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: Burgundy Spot Messiness
Sure. Being anti-abortion is retarded. Mississipi is doing it and is a bigger disaster than ever. Religion in schools, being anti-technology, etc. - all fucking stupid. Back in the day conservatives were pushing for removal of violence from video games/TV, removing artwork that was "offensive" to "Judeo-Christian" values, etc. Other than abortion, most of these issues aren't relevant today, which is another reason why libertarianism has died out.
We're also in a position where you're a "social conservative" because you think you should be able to say that trannies are fucked in the head without being hit with a hate crime, so that has also thrown a wrench in this.
Seriously, most kids who would have been libertarians in the past are just alt right types now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647191) |
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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: Burgundy Spot Messiness
To be fair, not just "more accurate" but the facts are fundamentally different. For example, take the matter of religion. In the 1990s, if you're an atheist, agnostic or just not a particularly religious Christian then you really want the Democratic position. They generally supported less religion everywhere, and you were good with that. Meanwhile, the Republicans were the party of Pat Robertson, fighting evolution, banning offensive paintings, banning pornography, etc.
Fast forward to today. Now the Democrats are the party of inviting in radical Muslims, banning offensive paintings, banning pornography, fighting any scientific arguments they don't like, etc. Meanwhile, supporting the currently more moderate Christianity of the Republican party is far preferable.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647342) |
Date: March 20th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: onyx naked step-uncle's house dragon
Libertarians lost any sort of ideological credibility with their inevitable support of Republicans no matter what the issue.
All libertarians do now is bitch about socialists
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35648612) |
Date: March 20th, 2018 10:24 PM Author: onyx naked step-uncle's house dragon
Gary Johnson did significantly better in 2016 than he did in 2012 and better still than Bob Barr did in 2008.
All you psuedo libertarians are talking about a movement that never actually advocated for the libertarianism, but the conservatism that seemed the most viable alternative to Bush-era globalist, neoconservatism. When Trump comes along, you jumped ship to his populist nonsense because that seemed more likely to succeed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649489) |
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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:30 PM Author: Burgundy Spot Messiness
"Gary Johnson did significantly better in 2016 than he did in 2012 and better still than Bob Barr did in 2008."
That is because a larger part of the country was simply unhappy with either choice in 2016. Bob Barr was a no-name and at least everyone knew who Gary Johnson was. So this isn't surprising.
"All you psuedo libertarians are talking about a movement that never actually advocated for the libertarianism, but the conservatism that seemed the most viable alternative to Bush-era globalist, neoconservatism. When Trump comes along, you jumped ship to his populist nonsense because that seemed more likely to succeed."
You're shitlib, we get it. No, we jumped ship to Trump because his message resonated with us, our lives, the nation's problems, etc. Simply put, the primary issue wasn't "we need to legalize weed" or whatever. It is a fundamental culture war and demographic shift that threatens to move the US to left wing authoritarianism. Also, to the extent many were voting libertarian because they hated both mainstream parties, Trump wasn't a mainstream candidate.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649533) |
Date: March 21st, 2018 1:27 AM Author: Provocative associate electric furnace
Tough to call the ideology dead. I think men constantly cycle between centralized and decentralized systems of organization as required by current conditions.
Persians -> Delian League
Aequi -> Cincinnatus
Muslims in Iberian peninsula -> Christian Monarchies
Peace and stability in 13 Colonies post 7 years war -> Revolution
Peace and stability in US post Civil War -> Industrial Age
Great Depression & WWII -> All of FDR's Shit
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650703)
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