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Chandler, does CLSG know what he is doing????

Now that you work with him full time, what's your assessment...
Brass point prole
  03/21/18
i think his results speak for themselves. its not like its o...
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  03/21/18
He knows and is 180
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  03/21/18
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Brass point prole
  03/22/18
To describe his success in one sentence: 1. He’s smarte...
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  03/22/18
Example?
Brass point prole
  03/22/18
His entire life is an example. He’s also ruthless when it...
frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap
  03/22/18
What was so great about it? Can you give a vague summary?
Brass point prole
  03/22/18
I’ll just leave it to him to tell the story when he finds th...
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  03/22/18
Here is the e-mail: "[ADJUSTER], Your insured was...
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lol jfc
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  03/22/18
lol 180
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  03/22/18
180 have you ever done a settlement with such a condition...
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
Twice before and their insured paid. I am generally really a...
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  03/22/18
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  03/22/18
ljl. have you ever sought contribution from a defendant? how...
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
Pretty much never. I think that's a dick move unless they ar...
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  03/22/18
what's the most you're likely to get from a rich defendant g...
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
No clue, this rarely happens. I'm going to ask for what the ...
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  03/22/18
interesting. why would he agree to personal contribution? he...
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
Dude owns like 10 apartment buildings. He isn't judgment pro...
thriller whorehouse bbw
  03/22/18
$450k. Faggot doctor w minimum coverage.
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  03/22/18
This would seem counterproductive. But if it works, ok.
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  03/22/18
seems like it. but you or he can answer -- why is he in t...
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
Chandler or he can answer, but I imagine that making over a ...
Brass point prole
  03/22/18
Shitlaw kings are pulling in $20 million and have their face...
dun idiot internal respiration
  03/22/18
I don't think 1 in 100 shitlawyers makes a million a year th...
Brass point prole
  03/22/18
those guys are churning & burning 30+ associates all wor...
Deranged beta rigor yarmulke
  03/22/18
i may have the percentiles wrong, but SHITLAW KING is at lea...
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
8 figures every year is still pretty crazy. John Edwards hig...
Brass point prole
  03/22/18
shitlaw kings are huge mills and rack in tons of cases
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
the "kings" you're thinking of have huge overhead ...
Smoky lodge
  03/22/18
Really high end plaintiffs’ attorneys doing nationwide mass ...
dun idiot internal respiration
  03/22/18
no of course not. they're SHITLAW KINGS
Smoky lodge
  03/22/18
...
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
There’s a difference in kind between the sort of SHITLAW KIN...
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  03/22/18
they're all SHITLAW KINGS. and it's all shitlaw.
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
I may change business models T some point to a mill format b...
thriller whorehouse bbw
  03/22/18
He’s been a full time solo for only 4 years.
frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap
  03/22/18
right. it also seems like he doesnt have the ruthless strive...
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
because the shitlaw kings have 25 years on him thats wher...
cerise community account international law enforcement agency
  03/22/18
His medical knowledge is insane too
frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap
  03/22/18
is he an alpha MD?
big ivory bawdyhouse incel
  03/22/18
cslg is 180. anybody thats had an actual convo w him knows t...
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  03/22/18
I finally brought in a PI case of my own. Referred by a cou...
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still beats wagecucking ?
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It’s a lot more satisfying. Signed up 4 clients the last tw...
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  03/22/18
where did you get the other 3 clients from?
Bronze senate
  03/22/18
1 was referred by a firm that cslg put us into contact with ...
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  03/22/18
we got 6 new clients in the last 2 days. 3 from CSLG, 1 from...
Smoky lodge
  03/22/18
Shit I didn’t even remember the other two. It’s actually ...
frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap
  03/22/18
Chandler, Kenny and Cali is close to hitting 80 files now. P...
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  03/22/18
18000000
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  03/22/18
I went to lunch with Kenny at chipotle Taking Qs
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  03/22/18
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  03/22/18
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  03/22/18
DESCRIBE your respective guac habits.
Underhanded feces
  03/22/18
if you poast about fucking off and drinking ipas will cslg c...
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  03/22/18
Nah, so far Chandler has proven to be a hard worker. Let him...
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  03/22/18
ljl we literally have employee reviews poasted on xo now
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Date: March 21st, 2018 10:58 PM
Author: Brass point prole

Now that you work with him full time, what's your assessment? Is he really just getting good settlements because he is lucky? Does he do anything different than other shitlaw attorneys you defended? Is he a good lawyer or just marketer? Examples?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35658200)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 10:59 PM
Author: orchid sandwich stage

i think his results speak for themselves. its not like its one big settlement

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35658210)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:00 PM
Author: Swashbuckling magical site sex offender

He knows and is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35658216)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:34 PM
Author: Brass point prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35658460)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:38 AM
Author: Brass point prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659094)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:41 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

To describe his success in one sentence:

1. He’s smarter, more charismatic and harder working than almost every single shitlawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659105)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:49 AM
Author: Brass point prole

Example?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659131)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:54 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

His entire life is an example.

He’s also ruthless when it comes to advocating for his clients. He BCCed me on a great email yesterday.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659147)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:08 AM
Author: Brass point prole

What was so great about it? Can you give a vague summary?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659190)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:21 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

I’ll just leave it to him to tell the story when he finds this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659264)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 9:17 AM
Author: thriller whorehouse bbw

Here is the e-mail:

"[ADJUSTER],

Your insured was served yesterday. I don't have a proof of service yet, but see attached.

Please forward to counsel so we can get the ball rolling. If you don't want to assign counsel without it, I will just proceed with discovery and notice your client's deposition as soon as allowed under the code.

Also, I had to pay for a stakeout of your client's house because he was evading service.

Please let your insured know that a condition of any settlement is going to be a personal check from him for those costs. This is a non-negotiable term at this point. I am not kidding about this part.

Thanks"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35660037)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 9:25 AM
Author: Contagious sapphire half-breed

lol jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35660067)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:10 AM
Author: beady-eyed sick crotch house

lol 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35660327)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:19 PM
Author: Bronze senate

180

have you ever done a settlement with such a condition?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662061)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:22 PM
Author: thriller whorehouse bbw

Twice before and their insured paid. I am generally really a nice guy to defendants, but when they are dicks I have fun messing with them back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662090)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: mewling field masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662158)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:44 PM
Author: Bronze senate

ljl. have you ever sought contribution from a defendant? how do often you see some rich fucker with a minimum limits policy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662268)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:53 PM
Author: thriller whorehouse bbw

Pretty much never. I think that's a dick move unless they are grossly underinsured relative to assets. I dont want to hurt hard working nice people persinally. I am seeking contribution on a case right now with a really fucked up broken leg. Defendant had only a 25k policy and millions in real estate. He deserves to get hit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662335)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 3:09 PM
Author: Bronze senate

what's the most you're likely to get from a rich defendant grossly underinsured?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662444)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 3:41 PM
Author: thriller whorehouse bbw

No clue, this rarely happens. I'm going to ask for what the case is worth and see what happens. The defendant already agreed to personal contribution and we are going to mediate the case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662732)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 3:43 PM
Author: Bronze senate

interesting. why would he agree to personal contribution? he'd rather settle with you than deal with you chasing assets?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662753)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: thriller whorehouse bbw

Dude owns like 10 apartment buildings. He isn't judgment proof (it would be very easy to collect from him) and settlement value is always lower than what his maximum exposure is. So it makes sense to settle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35663177)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: obsidian haunted graveyard office

$450k. Faggot doctor w minimum coverage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35663020)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:21 PM
Author: mewling field masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662080)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: obsidian haunted graveyard office

This would seem counterproductive. But if it works, ok.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35663028)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:49 AM
Author: Hairraiser mother psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659132)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:58 AM
Author: Bronze senate

seems like it.

but you or he can answer -- why is he in the top 1% of shitlawyers, and not a 0.1% SHITLAW KING? is getting to SHITLAW KING just luck?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659157)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:59 AM
Author: Brass point prole

Chandler or he can answer, but I imagine that making over a million a year in shitlaw is .1%. Based on his recent posts CSLG seems to be on path for 2 mil this year. What does a .1% shitlaw king look like if not that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659161)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:01 AM
Author: dun idiot internal respiration

Shitlaw kings are pulling in $20 million and have their face plastered on billboards with “ACCIDENTES.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659168)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:02 AM
Author: Brass point prole

I don't think 1 in 100 shitlawyers makes a million a year though. Maybe 1 in several thousand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659170)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:02 AM
Author: Deranged beta rigor yarmulke

those guys are churning & burning 30+ associates all working up $15K cases. CSLG is just getting started.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35660291)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:04 AM
Author: Bronze senate

i may have the percentiles wrong, but SHITLAW KING is at least 8 figures -- if not john edwards money.

cslg admits he's not a SHITLAW KING and has poasted the names of the guys who he considers to be the SHITLAW KINGS. seems like he co-counsels with some of them.

not faulting cslg at all. just wondering how one gets from CSLG to john edwards. cslg seems like he's smarter. john edwards is the ultimate SHITLAW KING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659176)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:15 AM
Author: Brass point prole

8 figures every year is still pretty crazy. John Edwards highest verdict according to wikipedia was 25 million. That's a ten million dollar fee, but that's not every year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659234)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:19 AM
Author: Bronze senate

shitlaw kings are huge mills and rack in tons of cases

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659257)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:24 AM
Author: Smoky lodge

the "kings" you're thinking of have huge overhead and marketing budgets and I doubt net as much as CSLG individually. the real shitlaw kings are the 9-figure heavy hitters who get brought in on the best cases. I guess John Edwards is one of those. they make more than professional athletes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659276)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:33 AM
Author: dun idiot internal respiration

Really high end plaintiffs’ attorneys doing nationwide mass tort / product liability / securities class actions aren’t really shitlawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659293)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:37 AM
Author: Smoky lodge

no of course not. they're SHITLAW KINGS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659301)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:59 AM
Author: Bronze senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659345)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: talented citrine tanning salon

There’s a difference in kind between the sort of SHITLAW KINGS that CSLG co-counsels with in big cases (or even a SHITLAW GOD like Mark Lanier) and, say, Lieff Cabraser or BLBG.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662305)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:50 PM
Author: Bronze senate

they're all SHITLAW KINGS. and it's all shitlaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662316)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 9:46 AM
Author: thriller whorehouse bbw

I may change business models T some point to a mill format but you lose a lot of quality. No way I could get the results I get with 2000 cases. Maybe when I hit my retirement numbers I'll just go to a mill format and just be hands off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35660191)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:02 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

He’s been a full time solo for only 4 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659171)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:06 AM
Author: Bronze senate

right. it also seems like he doesnt have the ruthless striver ambition of a SHITLAW KING given that he talks about retiring and spending time with his kids.

cslg probably grew up too UMC to have that prolish striver mentality to be a real SHITLAW KING. which is a good thing. hopefully his kids dont turn out shitheads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659182)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:11 AM
Author: cerise community account international law enforcement agency

because the shitlaw kings have 25 years on him

thats where he is headed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659214)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:42 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

His medical knowledge is insane too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659110)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:50 AM
Author: big ivory bawdyhouse incel

is he an alpha MD?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659134)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:50 AM
Author: Hairraiser mother psychic

cslg is 180. anybody thats had an actual convo w him knows this. he is charismatic, brilliant, and 180 at what he does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659135)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:05 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

I finally brought in a PI case of my own. Referred by a court reporter I told I was starting a firm last month.

I’ve worked about 14 hours a day each of the last 3 days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659179)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:07 AM
Author: Passionate aqua locale tank

still beats wagecucking ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659188)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:10 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

It’s a lot more satisfying. Signed up 4 clients the last two days. One of them we filed on already because statute was close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659203)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:11 AM
Author: Bronze senate

where did you get the other 3 clients from?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659209)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:14 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

1 was referred by a firm that cslg put us into contact with (the case has some red flags but could potentially be worth a lot of money if the clients claims are legit)

2 were clients referred by cslg to us to lock down and sign, which I was able to do after 90 minutes on the phone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659227)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:16 AM
Author: Smoky lodge

we got 6 new clients in the last 2 days. 3 from CSLG, 1 from chandler, 2 from another PI attorney I met through CSLG.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659239)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:17 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

Shit I didn’t even remember the other two.

It’s actually 7 then considering the minor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659252)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 9:57 AM
Author: thriller whorehouse bbw

Chandler, Kenny and Cali is close to hitting 80 files now. Probably within the week.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35660261)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal lemon ticket booth dragon

18000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662259)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:22 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

I went to lunch with Kenny at chipotle

Taking Qs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659270)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:57 AM
Author: Insane associate hell

You hiring?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35659339)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:29 PM
Author: fishy business firm multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662138)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:57 PM
Author: Underhanded feces

DESCRIBE your respective guac habits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662373)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: Contagious sapphire half-breed

if you poast about fucking off and drinking ipas will cslg call you up and chew you out for being lazy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35660060)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 9:47 AM
Author: thriller whorehouse bbw

Nah, so far Chandler has proven to be a hard worker. Let him enjoy his daily xoxo breaks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35660195)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:20 PM
Author: Bronze senate

ljl we literally have employee reviews poasted on xo now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662068)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:45 PM
Author: lime fluffy persian double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662275)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 3:04 PM
Author: heady theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662410)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:23 AM
Author: frum bright resort mad-dog skullcap

I’m too obsessed with the idea of having money to fuck around. There’s a reason I could be so persistent with crypto begging.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35660418)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: orchid sandwich stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925257&forum_id=2#35662107)