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1 in 7 white households have $1M net worth. U post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/03/white...
Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film
  03/22/18
Win thi$
Impressive Vengeful Box Office Windowlicker
  03/22/18
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Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film
  03/22/18
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fishy pit
  09/30/18
Cops don't make that much starting
Grizzly alpha
  03/22/18
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Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film
  03/22/18
that's poverty wages in that city
Silver Yapping Faggot Firefighter Dog Poop
  03/22/18
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Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film
  03/22/18
lol...you jumped directly from the #1 most expensive US metr...
Appetizing slimy set bbw
  03/23/18
Poasting was the only reason that Peterman was able to achie...
swashbuckling primrose lodge deer antler
  03/22/18
Its mostly white baby boomers rofl
Godawful razzle-dazzle parlor hissy fit
  03/22/18
I guess that's ok for their children as they can give them m...
bossy outnumbered bawdyhouse marketing idea
  03/22/18
lmao boomers booming it all away
bright stock car
  03/22/18
is that why they are called boomers?
bossy outnumbered bawdyhouse marketing idea
  03/22/18
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sable cocky trailer park
  03/22/18
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Godawful razzle-dazzle parlor hissy fit
  03/22/18
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Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film
  03/22/18
http://www.megamillions.com
Impressive Vengeful Box Office Windowlicker
  03/22/18
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Metal Zombie-like Travel Guidebook Dopamine
  03/22/18
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Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film
  03/22/18
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Black splenetic hospital people who are hurt
  09/30/18
Wealth should not include equity in a primary residence.
Dashing kitchen selfie
  03/22/18
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Grizzly alpha
  03/22/18
(does not live in NYC/LA/SF)
Multi-colored Walnut Cruise Ship
  03/22/18
You need to live somewhere, so home equity is not a lump of ...
Dashing kitchen selfie
  03/22/18
if you live in a 2M home in NY then move to FL for retiremen...
bossy outnumbered bawdyhouse marketing idea
  03/22/18
sure it is. can’t i remortgage the equity and continuously r...
arrogant associate
  03/22/18
What could go wrong?
Dashing kitchen selfie
  03/22/18
yes, upside is generally accompanied by risk in modern finan...
arrogant associate
  03/22/18
Because if the market tanks you could be underwater on your ...
Dashing kitchen selfie
  03/22/18
If the market tanks your stocks could lose value. If runawa...
lavender abode fat ankles
  03/23/18
i do give some credit to the idea of marking home equity, 40...
Multi-colored Walnut Cruise Ship
  03/22/18
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Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film
  03/22/18
Everything other than home equity should count.
Opaque Crotch
  03/24/18
Wealth =/= investable cash Also, unless you live in a sha...
lavender abode fat ankles
  03/22/18
Just sell your house and live somewhere cheaper when it pull...
Dashing kitchen selfie
  03/22/18
So? Spending your money means you can't use it on other thi...
lavender abode fat ankles
  03/23/18
...
Greedy judgmental gaping chad
  03/23/18
not everyone lives in mom's basement forever
Contagious regret
  03/23/18
Why not?
lavender abode fat ankles
  03/22/18
You almost certainly have familial and emotional obligations...
Dashing kitchen selfie
  03/22/18
i see what you're saying, but an asset being illiquid -/->...
Greedy judgmental gaping chad
  03/23/18
I think that can be true for a lot of assets (cars, jewelry)...
lavender abode fat ankles
  03/23/18
how is this possible, i thought an absurdly low number of bo...
bright stock car
  03/22/18
Average wealth is >$900k, median is <$300k. Rich ou...
Dashing kitchen selfie
  03/22/18
...
Godawful razzle-dazzle parlor hissy fit
  03/22/18
Median is 170 according to the article. Still sounds high to...
Stimulating center legend
  03/22/18
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Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film
  03/22/18
170 is high? JFC none of you people live in New Jersey.
Fear-inspiring Gaming Laptop
  09/30/18
property rich, cash poor
motley citrine boiling water
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razzmatazz elastic band digit ratio
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it wouldn't surprise me if both were true. I could see 1/...
bossy outnumbered bawdyhouse marketing idea
  03/22/18
didn't click but has to be including their home values ton...
honey-headed flirting menage
  03/22/18
A bunch of them rode the housing bubble all the way: bought ...
titillating swollen parlour hairy legs
  03/23/18
white or (((white)))?
exhilarant weed whacker
  03/23/18
pretty sure it's like 6/7 for (((whites)))
mildly autistic site jewess
  03/23/18
I’m probably a paper millionaire including home equity (incl...
blathering rigor
  03/23/18
If your wife works say *we*. You by yourself are not a paper...
mildly autistic site jewess
  03/23/18
Fair. I edited before I saw your post.
blathering rigor
  03/23/18
This works very well where the couple is committed to stayin...
mildly autistic site jewess
  03/23/18
Neither of us is from a broken home, at least.
blathering rigor
  03/23/18
So you probably have lots of Jew gold buried in the backyard...
exhilarant weed whacker
  03/23/18
I should go check.
blathering rigor
  03/23/18
damn among the xoxo cohort, like college educated whites and...
boyish pozpig business firm
  03/23/18
other data: about 8% of households (calculated based on the...
boyish pozpig business firm
  03/23/18
Is a million supposed to be a lot in 2018? That was a lot of...
Mahogany university
  03/23/18
but tbf, $1mm gets you 30 years of $65k distributions assumi...
boyish pozpig business firm
  03/23/18
(guy who doesn't think 1 out of 7 xo posters are worth $1+ m...
Contagious regret
  03/23/18
What percentage of households with members in their 30s have...
Sick coldplay fan area
  03/23/18
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Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film
  09/30/18
A lot of Boomers are rich, news at 11.
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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/03/white-families-are-twice-as-likely-to-be-millionaires-as-a-generation-ago/?utm_term=.e42043bd2ced



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665806)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:25 PM
Author: Impressive Vengeful Box Office Windowlicker
Subject: Win thi$

http://www.megamillions.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665873)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:43 PM
Author: Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666091)



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Date: September 30th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: fishy pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#36930010)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:28 PM
Author: Grizzly alpha

Cops don't make that much starting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665911)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:47 PM
Author: Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666135)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: Silver Yapping Faggot Firefighter Dog Poop

that's poverty wages in that city

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666235)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:59 PM
Author: Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666262)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: Appetizing slimy set bbw

lol...you jumped directly from the #1 most expensive US metro to the #2.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669415)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: swashbuckling primrose lodge deer antler

Poasting was the only reason that Peterman was able to achieve that. What say you to that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665816)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:24 PM
Author: Godawful razzle-dazzle parlor hissy fit

Its mostly white baby boomers rofl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665866)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:27 PM
Author: bossy outnumbered bawdyhouse marketing idea

I guess that's ok for their children as they can give them money and pass it on... unless you have a lot of brothers and sisters, then ur fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665899)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: bright stock car

lmao boomers booming it all away



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665943)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: bossy outnumbered bawdyhouse marketing idea

is that why they are called boomers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665992)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: sable cocky trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665993)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:36 PM
Author: Godawful razzle-dazzle parlor hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666005)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:45 PM
Author: Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666110)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:31 PM
Author: Impressive Vengeful Box Office Windowlicker

http://www.megamillions.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665939)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:45 PM
Author: Metal Zombie-like Travel Guidebook Dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666108)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666123)



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Date: September 30th, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: Black splenetic hospital people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#36929925)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:31 PM
Author: Dashing kitchen selfie

Wealth should not include equity in a primary residence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665938)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Grizzly alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665948)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Multi-colored Walnut Cruise Ship

(does not live in NYC/LA/SF)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665952)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Dashing kitchen selfie

You need to live somewhere, so home equity is not a lump of investable cash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665986)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:36 PM
Author: bossy outnumbered bawdyhouse marketing idea

if you live in a 2M home in NY then move to FL for retirement, it basically is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666002)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:55 PM
Author: arrogant associate

sure it is. can’t i remortgage the equity and continuously reinvest it in equities?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666201)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:58 PM
Author: Dashing kitchen selfie

What could go wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666252)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:02 PM
Author: arrogant associate

yes, upside is generally accompanied by risk in modern financial markets. and therefore...you actually can’t reinvest the value represented by the equity in your home? cmon man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666298)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:26 PM
Author: Dashing kitchen selfie

Because if the market tanks you could be underwater on your home. And if everyone does what you say then that will happen much sooner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666551)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:18 AM
Author: lavender abode fat ankles

If the market tanks your stocks could lose value. If runaway inflation happens your cash could lose value. A lot of things could make your net worth decrease, but that doesn't mean it's *not* net worth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669407)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: Multi-colored Walnut Cruise Ship

i do give some credit to the idea of marking home equity, 401K, 529, etc., to 0 in net worth calcs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666239)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:20 PM
Author: Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666488)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 1:29 AM
Author: Opaque Crotch

Everything other than home equity should count.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35675987)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:25 PM
Author: lavender abode fat ankles

Wealth =/= investable cash

Also, unless you live in a shack, you can sell your house and live somewhere cheaper.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666535)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:30 PM
Author: Dashing kitchen selfie

Just sell your house and live somewhere cheaper when it pulls your kid out of a good school district.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666603)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: lavender abode fat ankles

So? Spending your money means you can't use it on other things. That doesn't mean it's not part of your worth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669201)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: Greedy judgmental gaping chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669459)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: Contagious regret

not everyone lives in mom's basement forever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669416)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:24 PM
Author: lavender abode fat ankles

Why not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666528)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:28 PM
Author: Dashing kitchen selfie

You almost certainly have familial and emotional obligations that make primary residence equity less fungible than, say, a stock portfolio. Primary residences are not simply another asset class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666586)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: Greedy judgmental gaping chad

i see what you're saying, but an asset being illiquid -/-> you don't count it in your net worth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669456)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:07 PM
Author: lavender abode fat ankles

I think that can be true for a lot of assets (cars, jewelry). There are other qualities that make assets more or less fungible, but I don't think they should be excluded from net worth (unless you're going to totally redefine what it means).

Maybe some other classification (easily investable worth?) makes sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669858)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: bright stock car

how is this possible, i thought an absurdly low number of boomers had even like 10K saved for retirement

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665947)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:34 PM
Author: Dashing kitchen selfie

Average wealth is >$900k, median is <$300k.

Rich outliers skew the numbers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665970)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:34 PM
Author: Godawful razzle-dazzle parlor hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665984)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:39 PM
Author: Stimulating center legend

Median is 170 according to the article. Still sounds high to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666035)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:49 PM
Author: Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666142)



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Date: September 30th, 2018 10:23 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring Gaming Laptop

170 is high?

JFC none of you people live in New Jersey.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#36929944)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:36 PM
Author: motley citrine boiling water

property rich, cash poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666001)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:22 PM
Author: razzmatazz elastic band digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666511)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:37 PM
Author: bossy outnumbered bawdyhouse marketing idea

it wouldn't surprise me if both were true.

I could see 1/7 people having 1M in assets.

I could also see 4/7 having less than 100K in assets.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666012)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:25 PM
Author: honey-headed flirting menage

didn't click but has to be including their home values

tons of boomers in CA and east coast are "millionaires" that way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666544)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: titillating swollen parlour hairy legs

A bunch of them rode the housing bubble all the way: bought in Los Altos for 250k and are now sitting on a 2.5 million house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669425)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: exhilarant weed whacker

white or (((white)))?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669323)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: mildly autistic site jewess

pretty sure it's like 6/7 for (((whites)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669338)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: blathering rigor

I’m probably a paper millionaire including home equity (including wife’s claim on assets).

Problem is a lot of it is home equity that I can’t easily access.

I still feel poor as fuck and am constantly nervous about me or wife getting Lathamed.

I’m (((white))), so make of that what you will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669352)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: mildly autistic site jewess

If your wife works say *we*. You by yourself are not a paper millionaire. You and your wife are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669360)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: blathering rigor

Fair. I edited before I saw your post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669374)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: mildly autistic site jewess

This works very well where the couple is committed to staying together forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669394)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:17 AM
Author: blathering rigor

Neither of us is from a broken home, at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669397)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: exhilarant weed whacker

So you probably have lots of Jew gold buried in the backyard then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669361)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: blathering rigor

I should go check.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669388)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: boyish pozpig business firm

damn among the xoxo cohort, like college educated whites and asians living in a top 15 population city and above age 40 i bet this number has to rise to like 1/4.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669385)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: boyish pozpig business firm

other data: about 8% of households (calculated based on the 10mm millionaire figure assuming 125mm households) have $1mm in investable assets excluding home equity

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/record-number-of-millionaire-households-in-us.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669417)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: Mahogany university

Is a million supposed to be a lot in 2018? That was a lot of money in 1985. It's nothing in 2018. I'm worth like $1.5 million. I still have to work. That amounting money just means if I get fired I can spend 6 months looking for a job instead of immediately selling a kidney or driving Uber. $5 million is the new $1 million just like 250k is the new $100k for a good salary. $100k now is nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669420)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: boyish pozpig business firm

but tbf, $1mm gets you 30 years of $65k distributions assuming 6% returns.

So you already know you can retire at 65.

And you are young so if you can double that by 55 you probably could retire then (if OK to live on fixed income).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669478)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:21 AM
Author: Contagious regret

(guy who doesn't think 1 out of 7 xo posters are worth $1+ million)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669433)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: Sick coldplay fan area

What percentage of households with members in their 30s have a net worth of 1 million?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35671593)



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Date: September 30th, 2018 10:17 PM
Author: Laughsome Hunting Ground Stag Film



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Date: September 30th, 2018 10:21 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring Gaming Laptop

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