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Describe the initial shock of your first exposure to xo

The shrew poasts really got to me. The notion of the shrew i...
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people used to post fake links to tubgirl. thought that was...
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ungodly out-of-control university partner
  03/24/18
repulsed glee
fear-inspiring range
  03/23/18
been here since 04. never felt a shock. just felt at home.
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  03/23/18
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  03/23/18
Mostly just the shame of being so unprestigious
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  03/23/18
no shock. immediately thought "this is who i am now&quo...
self-centered painfully honest depressive parlour
  03/23/18
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Coral Useless Brakes
  03/24/18
No shock. I posted on PR first.
Passionate bull headed home
  03/23/18
I was linked here from a law school thread on 4chan's busine...
Dead incel office
  03/23/18
Lmao how olde are you
red circlehead
  03/23/18
Zero
Hot concupiscible jewess
  03/23/18
Some of my early posting was on "phd in teenage Inuit s...
big bipolar market newt
  03/23/18
i was offended by the constant use of the world "proles...
Odious gas station
  03/23/18
Confusion about how no one was posting about anything relate...
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  03/23/18
prole tell. prestigious law schools don't teach the law a...
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  03/24/18
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cracking mood factory reset button
  03/24/18
I was terrified of expert mode
Sooty cruel-hearted multi-billionaire stage
  03/23/18
The shittiness of the format. The first time I clicked on a ...
Thriller Hissy Fit Keepsake Machete
  03/23/18
It held no shock for me since I spent my formative years was...
Flirting curious national
  03/23/18
I've literally been posting here for over a decade.
Yapping Pearl Scourge Upon The Earth
  03/23/18
xo is the most niche thing i've posted on, but honestly i th...
Salmon Mediation
  03/24/18
SA had like 100,000 members at one time
Odious gas station
  03/24/18
There actually used to be threads on the LSAT. Hilarious. ...
sable cerebral gunner den
  03/23/18
lingo was weird but i was captivated by the discussion of la...
Tan floppy community account hospital
  03/23/18
Like The Paper Chase, but about the Asian Pacific American L...
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  03/23/18
Lol i was actually surprised at the high level of discussion...
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  03/23/18
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  03/24/18
didn't know why everyone was so obsessed with "niggers....
Salmon Mediation
  03/23/18
I was in shock at how vulgar and nasty very intelligent peop...
red circlehead
  03/23/18
Found this place by hate-googling "strivers" and h...
Sepia Pit Jap
  03/23/18
Tame, b/c I didn't click EXPERT MODE until very recently. I ...
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  03/23/18
i had no clue what the fuck i was looking at. huge strings ...
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Flirting curious national
  03/23/18
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Tan floppy community account hospital
  03/23/18
that sounds accurate to me
Sooty cruel-hearted multi-billionaire stage
  03/24/18
haha did not understand the blank bumps at first - kept thin...
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Flirting curious national
  03/24/18
2007 or 2008. I was looking for law school application advic...
Henna Clown
  03/24/18
i think i asked a legit question about my background and get...
irradiated chocolate boltzmann
  03/24/18
reading threw a turd at a nigger is when i realized xo is my...
180 temple athletic conference
  03/24/18
Go back to europe, pilgrim
red circlehead
  03/24/18
"Wow maybe these guys who openly say nigger can tell me...
ivory idiot
  03/24/18
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Sooty cruel-hearted multi-billionaire stage
  03/24/18
entered right before ITE hit; first thought “why does this p...
Lime lodge
  03/24/18
Shock? What shock?
boyish voyeur boistinker
  03/24/18
This post sums it up nicely http://www.xoxohth.com/thread...
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  03/24/18
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boyish voyeur boistinker
  03/24/18
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Flirting curious national
  03/24/18
I recall that as I intended to graduate in the top 10% perce...
Duck-like stirring dilemma
  03/24/18
Reminded me of an old forum I used to post on that was slowl...
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  03/24/18
I wanted to offer sage advice here. I tried a couple times,...
Dark toaster
  03/24/18
Summer of 2001-- was the PR bort back then. Was looking for ...
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  03/24/18
"Law students are the fucking worst, these people are r...
Dark toaster
  03/24/18
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Internet-worthy Address Masturbator
  03/24/18
did not understand what "180" meant for months (I'...
french step-uncle's house private investor
  03/24/18
Tasted like roadkill.
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  03/24/18
We need more OldHLSDude stories/poasts
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:13 PM
Author: arrogant sapphire doctorate liquid oxygen

The shrew poasts really got to me. The notion of the shrew is so deeply ingrained and treated as so self-evident here that it's an axiom at the core of bort's collective consciousness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674931)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:15 PM
Author: Mildly autistic travel guidebook

people used to post fake links to tubgirl. thought that was kooky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674937)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:16 PM
Author: Elite thirsty center dragon

It was fall of 2011. I had just been offered a 2L SA gig at a v10 firm and I thought I had set myself up for a life of prestige and prosperity. Smugly I searched the internet for vindication and validation and somehow stumbled onto this place. BOY WAS I IN FOR A SHOCK.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674945)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: self-centered painfully honest depressive parlour



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675020)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: ungodly out-of-control university partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676623)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: Swollen Apoplectic Theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676892)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:33 PM
Author: french step-uncle's house private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35677321)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:17 PM
Author: aqua sanctuary affirmative action

i came over from princeton review it was a smooth transition

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674952)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: boyish voyeur boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676602)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: ungodly out-of-control university partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676624)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: fear-inspiring range

repulsed glee

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674961)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:26 PM
Author: bearded heaven immigrant

been here since 04. never felt a shock. just felt at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674994)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:13 PM
Author: wonderful saffron mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675319)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:28 PM
Author: citrine fluffy national security agency

Mostly just the shame of being so unprestigious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674999)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:29 PM
Author: self-centered painfully honest depressive parlour

no shock. immediately thought "this is who i am now"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675001)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Topaz filthy whorehouse gay wizard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675025)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:34 AM
Author: Coral Useless Brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676630)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:30 PM
Author: Passionate bull headed home

No shock. I posted on PR first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675005)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:31 PM
Author: Dead incel office

I was linked here from a law school thread on 4chan's business & finance board. It was the spring of 2014 and there were lots of apparently nonsensical threads all over the board about "Jillian Beck UCLA" and "Liz Hawryluk UNC." Not sure why I kept coming back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675013)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:45 PM
Author: red circlehead

Lmao how olde are you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675564)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:33 PM
Author: Hot concupiscible jewess

Zero

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675026)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:34 PM
Author: big bipolar market newt

Some of my early posting was on "phd in teenage Inuit suicide prevention", where I was mocking some loser in a coffee shop senior year of ug. Also had some even earlier posts on "Asian watching CNN as if they're American" from a lounge on campus junior year. Guess it all just made sense early on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675033)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:37 PM
Author: Odious gas station

i was offended by the constant use of the world "proles" by what i assumed to be a bunch of rich snooty lawyer types. how extremely wrong i was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675058)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:12 PM
Author: cracking mood factory reset button

Confusion about how no one was posting about anything related to law; and why are most of the posts empty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675310)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: stubborn high-end queen of the night site

prole tell.

prestigious law schools don't teach the law and prestigious legal discussion boards don't discuss the law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676626)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: cracking mood factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676898)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:14 PM
Author: Sooty cruel-hearted multi-billionaire stage

I was terrified of expert mode

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675325)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:15 PM
Author: Thriller Hissy Fit Keepsake Machete

The shittiness of the format. The first time I clicked on a link to AutoAdmit, I thought it was a bad link because a prestigious law board couldn't possibly look that primitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675336)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:36 PM
Author: Flirting curious national

It held no shock for me since I spent my formative years wasting time on similar forums, boards, groups, etc. They are all gone now. This won't last, either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675497)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:58 PM
Author: Yapping Pearl Scourge Upon The Earth

I've literally been posting here for over a decade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675634)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:00 AM
Author: Salmon Mediation

xo is the most niche thing i've posted on, but honestly i thought the same thing about 4chan and something awful a decade and a half ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675646)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:19 AM
Author: Odious gas station

SA had like 100,000 members at one time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676586)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:42 PM
Author: sable cerebral gunner den

There actually used to be threads on the LSAT. Hilarious.

The racism was shocking, but the board leaned much more left in the mid-2000's. I remember trying to immigration thread once in 2007 and people asked me if I was serious.

Lurked at all of the Leiter and law suit stuff. Board was garbage for long stretches during 2011-2016. Surprisingly decent now. Trump seems to have helped

Edit: it also really helped when Rach came back for a bit and reenergized the place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675539)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:43 PM
Author: Tan floppy community account hospital

lingo was weird but i was captivated by the discussion of law school lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675552)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:45 PM
Author: Flirting curious national

Like The Paper Chase, but about the Asian Pacific American Law Students Association at Fordham Law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675565)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:47 PM
Author: Tan floppy community account hospital

Lol i was actually surprised at the high level of discussion here. i had lurked on TLS before that. the law school advice here was much more cut and dry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675580)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: vibrant erotic sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676885)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:44 PM
Author: Salmon Mediation

didn't know why everyone was so obsessed with "niggers." then i moved to new york.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675560)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:50 PM
Author: red circlehead

I was in shock at how vulgar and nasty very intelligent people in good jobs were. I was in college and i had always grown up trying to be "successful" since i grew up in a poor, mexican immigrant family. But i was captivated at the insight on life the bort had. I learned a lot here about investing, COL analysis, and liberals. I remember a thread called "you cant be more hipster than this chick" and i just laughed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675595)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:51 PM
Author: Sepia Pit Jap

Found this place by hate-googling "strivers" and hitting the HAHAURFUCKED goldmine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675601)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:53 PM
Author: Maroon hairraiser black woman stock car

Tame, b/c I didn't click EXPERT MODE until very recently. I thought the threads there were garbage. Now I'm playing in it!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675611)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:53 PM
Author: Laughsome casino

i had no clue what the fuck i was looking at. huge strings of blank bumps and also some unhinged spammer google bomb shit made me think that it was a dead bort that had been overrun by bots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675612)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:54 PM
Author: Flirting curious national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675616)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:59 PM
Author: Tan floppy community account hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675636)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:03 AM
Author: Sooty cruel-hearted multi-billionaire stage

that sounds accurate to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676724)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:42 AM
Author: french step-uncle's house private investor

haha did not understand the blank bumps at first - kept thinking "why can't I see what these posts say???". After I figure it out, I started making my own blank bumps by writing "..." lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676854)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:42 AM
Author: Flirting curious national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676856)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:45 AM
Author: french step-uncle's house private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676869)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:53 AM
Author: cracking mood factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676905)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:03 AM
Author: french step-uncle's house private investor

...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676928)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:52 AM
Author: boyish voyeur boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676903)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: Flirting curious national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35677324)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Henna Clown

2007 or 2008. I was looking for law school application advice I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675652)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:54 AM
Author: irradiated chocolate boltzmann

i think i asked a legit question about my background and getting into LS. the bort took it as a joke and was the first time I learned what "flame" was. It was all downhill from there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675849)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:05 AM
Author: 180 temple athletic conference

reading threw a turd at a nigger is when i realized xo is my spiritual home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675675)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:12 AM
Author: red circlehead

Go back to europe, pilgrim

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675710)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:18 AM
Author: ivory idiot

"Wow maybe these guys who openly say nigger can tell me something valuable about law school."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675730)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:05 AM
Author: Sooty cruel-hearted multi-billionaire stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676731)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:47 AM
Author: Lime lodge

entered right before ITE hit; first thought “why does this place look like such shit?”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675823)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: boyish voyeur boistinker

Shock? What shock?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676598)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:25 AM
Author: house-broken fighting location double fault

This post sums it up nicely

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=934135&forum_id=2#10927848

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676610)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:29 AM
Author: boyish voyeur boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676622)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: Flirting curious national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676625)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:11 AM
Author: Duck-like stirring dilemma

I recall that as I intended to graduate in the top 10% percent of my class that very little advice here applied to me.

I didn't come back until I graduated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676748)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:33 AM
Author: Kink-friendly swashbuckling weed whacker

Reminded me of an old forum I used to post on that was slowly dying, made me decide I really liked it here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676816)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:54 AM
Author: Dark toaster

I wanted to offer sage advice here. I tried a couple times, like a twat, and everyone told me to fuck off. lol xo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676909)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: Carmine Point Roast Beef

Summer of 2001-- was the PR bort back then. Was looking for guidance re law school. Was hooked. Showed the bort to my friend who was a lawyer and he said something like, "Law students are the fucking worst, these people are representative of the assholes you will deal with in law school." Didn't stop me from being an xo'er since. Mostly lurked tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676950)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: Dark toaster

"Law students are the fucking worst, these people are representative of the assholes you will deal with in law school."

Reminds me of "it is a truth universally acknowledged that a man in possession of a fortune ...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676953)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: Internet-worthy Address Masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676959)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:10 AM
Author: french step-uncle's house private investor

did not understand what "180" meant for months (I'm not a lwyer).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676962)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: jet-lagged really tough guy institution

Tasted like roadkill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35677309)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: arrogant sapphire doctorate liquid oxygen

We need more OldHLSDude stories/poasts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35677329)