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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:40 AM Author: Very tactful crawly hospital A glass of wine is fine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698232) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:20 AM Author: Arrogant thriller lodge Lol a "glass of wine" is not ok you degenerate. Alcohol is bad for a baby. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698416) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:33 AM Author: adventurous whorehouse idiot *gives glass of wine to formed baby* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698500) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:16 AM Author: Duck-like Point That's actually the MOST likely time to give the baby FAS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698393) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: Internet-worthy Boiling Water House You're dead wrong.
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The critical time period is three weeks after fertilization. Baby is fully cooked by 7 months and 1-3 glasses per week is fine. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:18 AM Author: Autistic laughsome kitchen hominid A glass of wine here or there is fine. Everyday? No. More than one? No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698403) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:35 AM Author: Autistic laughsome kitchen hominid A small amount isn't harmful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698517) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: exhilarant sweet tailpipe It’s simply not harmful. People drank like fishes during the 60s and 70s. I don’t think modern kids are ubermenschen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700841) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:38 AM Author: Autistic laughsome kitchen hominid https://www.rcog.org.uk/en/news/bjog-release-danish-studies-suggest-low-and-moderate-drinking-in-early-pregnancy-has-no-adverse-effects-on-children-aged-five/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698546) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: bisexual legend circlehead http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/10/26/alcohol-safe-pregnancy/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698552) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:41 AM Author: Autistic laughsome kitchen hominid Yes, a study on pregnant rats is the same as a study of actual women and their children. LJL at you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698562) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:42 AM Author: bisexual legend circlehead https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6504a6.htm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698574) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: Autistic laughsome kitchen hominid That's the same pregnant rat study. LJL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698579) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: Appetizing range gaping https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fetal-alcohol-syndrome-more-common-than-previously-thought-study/
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699152) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: bisexual legend circlehead “Animal studies are the best we have because we can’t do randomized controlled trials on human pregnant women,” he points out. “Ultimately, the rat model is pretty good as far as evidence.”
Women’s health expert Jennifer Wider, MD, agrees. “This study and several others like it, are highlighting the fact that environmental effects on fetal development are important with respect to emotional and behavioral outcomes, not just physical outcomes,”
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699147) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:24 AM Author: High-end turquoise ticket booth knife MY wine night with the girls (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698449) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:25 AM Author: Arrogant thriller lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698452) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:26 AM Author: bisexual legend circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698458) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: Crusty stirring hell karate lol cr
oops we ordered bottomless mimosas! |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:28 AM Author: aquamarine razzle-dazzle home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698470) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:34 AM Author: marvelous friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698507) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:18 AM Author: Multi-colored Chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35706940) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:28 AM Author: territorial smoky native water buffalo my wife: scarfing down folic acid to ensure dat alpha asian genetics are carried on
u: LJL |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:30 AM Author: High-end turquoise ticket booth knife Hmmm, odd mix of words there. Don't think I have heard the phrase "alpha asian genetics" before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698486) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:31 AM Author: territorial smoky native water buffalo LJL whitey ur FUCKED in 20 years. Baizuo Europeans and Americans are gonna get cucked by CHINAMAN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698489) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:34 AM Author: Crusty stirring hell karate (r/asianmasculinity megapoaster) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698512) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:03 AM Author: territorial smoky native water buffalo (guy that's with Her) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698768) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: stubborn painfully honest jap Jokes on you friend. Folic acid in the womb has the effect (desired I'm sure on your wife's part) of lightening a baby's skin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698830) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:49 AM Author: territorial smoky native water buffalo 180. Makes my son easier to fit in and exploit whitey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699081) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:32 AM Author: dashing ocher twinkling uncleanness dilemma Why even risk it at this point? 1 glass of wine isn't going to do much for the wife anyway. She can drink in 2 months time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698493) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:33 AM Author: bisexual legend circlehead it's her body you fucking bigot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698501) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:35 AM Author: Crusty stirring hell karate (handmaid's tale patriarch) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698518) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: adventurous whorehouse idiot Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698523) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: dashing ocher twinkling uncleanness dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698525) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: Stimulating national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698608) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:36 PM Author: concupiscible gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703441) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Alcoholic Skinny Woman Sanctuary Of course a glass of wine is fine. All Europeans do this. They only tell pregnant women not o drink because if proles have 1 they end up having 10. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698535) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:38 AM Author: bisexual legend circlehead It's conclusively not fine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698548) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: exhilarant sweet tailpipe It is conclusively fine after the first trimester. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700850) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: sable brethren lmao@libs
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925654&mc=22&forum_id=2 |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:37 PM Author: concupiscible gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703445) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Avocado rehab A glass of wine is fine. Doctors will tell you this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698550) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:40 AM Author: bisexual legend circlehead it is not fine
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-10/bu-tin102417.php |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: Alcoholic Skinny Woman Sanctuary A study that published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health in 2010 found that children of mothers who drink one or two glasses of alcoholic beverages per week or per occasion during pregnancy were not at an increased risk of behavioral or cognitive problems by age 5.
In 2013, a study published in the journal BMJ Open found no evidence to indicate that a mother's moderate alcohol consumption during pregnancy had an adverse effect on her child's ability to balance, a sign of neurological development, at age 10. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: bisexual legend circlehead damn, past studies with narrow findings, I'm done here and you are worth it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698616) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: Appetizing range gaping statistically, a null result (not finding evidence that it causes harm) is not the same as a finding of significance (finding evidence that it doesn't cause harm).
a null result can happen because there is no real effect, or it can happen beause the study is underpowered to detect the effect. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 5:16 AM Author: Hilarious half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35707026) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:45 AM Author: Alcoholic Skinny Woman Sanctuary Lol at that junk study you cited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698604) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:42 AM Author: Crusty stirring hell karate (wetbrain) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698568) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: Razzmatazz theatre no amount of alcohol has been determined to be safe at any point during pregnancy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698584) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: Alcoholic Skinny Woman Sanctuary A study that published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health in 2010 found that children of mothers who drink one or two glasses of alcoholic beverages per week or per occasion during pregnancy were not at an increased risk of behavioral or cognitive problems by age 5.
In 2013, a study published in the journal BMJ Open found no evidence to indicate that a mother's moderate alcohol consumption during pregnancy had an adverse effect on her child's ability to balance, a sign of neurological development, at age 10. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:06 AM Author: dashing ocher twinkling uncleanness dilemma Who cares? One glass of wine a week is literally worthless. Might as well not have it and avoid any potential issues. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698793) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698883) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698871) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: marvelous friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699252) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: Alcoholic Skinny Woman Sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698587) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:45 AM Author: Stimulating national Lol at you fags buttering it up with "glass of wine" like a shot of jager would be out of the question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698603) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: blathering soggy senate blood rage LOL has OP made a post since starting this flaming fire? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698817) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: Flatulent Twisted Athletic Conference Gay Wizard this is an easy way to see who's white and who isn't
OB/GYNs tell white pregnant women all the time that 1-2 glasses of red wine a week after the first trimester is not only fine, but could even have some mild benefits
OB/GYNs tell non-white pregnant women that there is a strict prohibition because they don't trust them
this is a known phenomenon. similar reason why blacks don't have problems with the opioid crisis. doctors didn't think their pain was real so they didn't prescribe them opioids. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:19 AM Author: stubborn painfully honest jap Asians apparently, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698861) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: Fighting State Asians have a cultural thing against painkillers. You can't get painkillers for labor unless your doctor decides you really need it for labor in Japan.
http://scmp.com/lifestyle/health/article/1011419/why-asians-prefer-tough-it-out-resort-painkillers?amp=1 |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: Vivacious cobalt church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698876) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business The benefits of red wine are shrew flame. Zero epidemiological evidence to suggest drinking during pregnancy has positive effects, as far as I can tell.
People giving this advice are hilariously bad at risk/reward calculus.
Don’t drink during pregnancy you utter morons. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business It’s amazing the lengths people will go to convince themselves that the selfish, hedonistic activities they want to undertake are “healthy.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698894) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: Vivacious cobalt church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698898) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: Internet-worthy Boiling Water House JFC at the childless neckbeards ITT.
By the third trimester, 1-2--or even THREE--glasses of wine a week is fine. Not every day, and not back to back, but spaced out.
LJL at this boart bucking conventional wisdom on nearly everything, but clutching their pearls when someone suggests it is OK to do what 90% of europeans and Australians do during pregnancy. Of course you can't prove that drinking alcohol during pregnancy is safer than not drinking any, but the risk of light drinking is minimal. The "alcohol is poison" approach is just what you have to tell dumb proles who lie about how much they drink so they don't binge drink during pregnancy. I bet you retards think straight men get HIV from women? |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:28 AM Author: Crusty stirring hell karate Okay but what's the point of having one glass of wine? And do you think shrews might use this as justification to have more than that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698917) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: Alcoholic Skinny Woman Sanctuary A large percentage of people enjoy having just one glass of wine. They aren’t all alkies like you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699018) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: Internet-worthy Boiling Water House You are proving my point. Responsible white women who want a glass of wine during pregnancy do stop at one glass. It is proles and alcoholics who don't, which are the reason for the prevailing "NOT ONE DROP" rule in the U.S. Although the two doctors my wife has seen during her pregnancies in MFH have all said light drinking (1-3 drinks per week after the second trimester) is fine. So not sure how "prevailing" this advice is anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699021) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:45 AM Author: Internet-worthy Boiling Water House BTW, let's imagine what the board reaction would be if you said "what's the point of having more than one gun?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699046) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: Crusty stirring hell karate jfc dude I'm not calling for banning alcohol among pregnant women (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699139) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Internet-worthy Boiling Water House Why should it be legal if it provides no benefit?!?! What if they can't just stop at one?!?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699155) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: Crusty stirring hell karate I'm not calling for criminalization of wineshrews. Please state your IQ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699185) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699229) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: sable brethren I am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699241) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: exhilarant sweet tailpipe Cr, wineshrews need to get to jail, pregnant or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700863) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: 180 pervert masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703224) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:29 AM Author: Flatulent Twisted Athletic Conference Gay Wizard cr
for people who constantly bleat about preserving European cultural norms these tards sure don't like them |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: dashing ocher twinkling uncleanness dilemma ah yes, the time-honored European cultural norm of pregnant women having a glass of Rose once a week at brunch. truly the linchpin that held together the continent for hundreds of years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698934) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698958) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:48 PM Author: Red boyish philosopher-king lol cr they say a glass of wine on "special occasions" isn't a big deal not that regular drinking is ok (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703552) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: Vivacious cobalt church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698933) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Who gives a fuck about Europeans dude.
Why would you unnecessarily risk harm to your child? |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: blathering soggy senate blood rage Guess you should just stay home during pregnancy and never drive to the movies or anywhere non-essential because you might get into a car accident (as I did while pregnant).
Why cause unnecessary risk to the fetus by driving? Because it’s not like stress and unhappiness in the mother has any negative effects on the fetus at all. *blank stare* |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: Vivacious cobalt church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699024) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:45 AM Author: Lascivious Becky Mad-dog Skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699052) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: dashing ocher twinkling uncleanness dilemma lol what?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699030) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: Vivacious cobalt church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699036) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:48 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699069) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: infuriating set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700764) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:21 AM Author: Multi-colored Chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35706950) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: Vivacious cobalt church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699044) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Have you considered that the risk/reward calculus of transportation and booze are different?
Come on, you’re smarter than this. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Internet-worthy Boiling Water House Link to the risk of birth defects or any adverse consequences from 1-2 glasses of wine in the third trimester? I'll wait. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699086) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business We have animal models suggesting no dose is safe.
Obviously this is hard to study in humans because we can’t do RCTs and the observational studies are going to be underpowered and make detecting causal effects difficult. But the biological mechanisms are pretty well understood. It’s not like alcohol magically stops being poisonous if consumed in only small quantities. It’s just a question of the size of the effect.
I would similarly advise against healthy people smoking a single cigarette per day, despite the lack of any studies showing that such a mild dose is harmful (IIRC). |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: Internet-worthy Boiling Water House You would advise that because you are a know-nothing retard. A single cigarette a day has never been shown to cause cancer. All your arguments are based on the unwarranted assumption that people don't do what they are saying they do. (i.e., that a mom would have more than one drink) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699173) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Well I’d be concerned more than just the cancer risk (e.g. lung function, addiction).
But yeah I think it’s weird you think a cig a day would be OK just because “it’s never been shown” to be harmful. Turn your brain on.
I’m also not making any behavioral arguments so idk why you think that. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: blathering soggy senate blood rage Your question was “why cause unnecessary harm to the fetus?” My point was there are tons of behaviors that could cause harm to the fetus.
If you’re now saying there is a risk/reward calculus, then I’d like to know studies that show a few drinks here and there is more likely than not to cause harm to the fetus in the 3rd trimester. And I’m not talking about generic CDC recommendations aimed at tards with no impulse control. My OBGYN laughs at those guidelines. This should be measured against the reward to women of enjoying a glass of wine with dinner when they’re 7 months pregnant.
Also, if the thread title was: “my 7 month pregnant wife just ate an entire dominos pizza for dinner” there wasn’t be the same handwringing. People would make fun of her being a fat slob but nobody would be saying “omg your fetus is deformed” when in reality eating like shit during pregnancy is far more likely to cause long term effects than having some wine.
I suggest you read the book “expecting better” which is written by an economist which pools the studies regarding various risks during pregnancy. It is telling that this thread is great bait for self righteous childlessmos who can’t get a woman to actually breed with them. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: sable brethren "This should be measured against the reward to women of enjoying a glass of wine with dinner when they’re 7 months pregnant." I agree wholeheartedly. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:23 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business I have no idea what your background is but I’m almost certainly more qualified to assess risk and epidemiological evidence in this situation.
Meta-analyzing underpowered observational studies doesn’t impress me for obvious reasons.
The animal models (and also the facial deformity study linked above) make it pretty clear no dose is without adverse effects. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: infuriating set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700769) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Curious Crotch The methodology for the facial deformity study is garbage. And in any event it is not specific to parents who actually do controlled drinking.
Animal models are not impressive.
Many people drink during late pregnancy apparently without incident, such that one would think any effect would be small.
Most mothers will of course want to follow the precautionary principle, since that's the nature of motherhood. (Usually...) But it seems doubtful nutella'a kids face some huge risk. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business I agree any effect would be small. I also think it’s senseless to risk that effect.
Also lol at this hate on animal studies. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: Curious Crotch Eh, life's about risks, and as you cogently explained down-thread, the risk really falls on someone else, so #YOLO. (Flesh of my flesh but not skin of my game).
I'm not a hater on animal studies generally, but they don't seem super-compelling as to the precise Q at issue here.
Available meta-analyses seem to agree (I don't think this dispute is worth going doing a real lit-review over, just wanted to white-knight nutella as part of a multi-stage plan to get her to hire me inhouse):
https://academic.oup.com/alcalc/article/38/4/295/232265 |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business So let me stop shitposting for a second and be serious.
Here’s my problem with concluding booze is safe in limited amounts from current research. I think meta-analysis presents us with a garbage in, garbage out situation. We both agree the effect, if it exists, is going to be small, and these meta-analyses involve observational studies with huge sources of noise from other things. I think they are underpowered to detect a small but potentially practically significant effect. (Although I have not examined them closely and am open to being corrected on this point.)
In absence of good direct evidence, I look to indirect evidence, such as animal studies. And if, In those controlled settings, we can detect an effect from small amounts of booze ... that seems like something to be concerned about. Maybe. Given booze is far from a necessary part of life I see no reason to risk it. Maybe if the mother literally could not function and work without it the calculus would change, but I don’t think most people are like that.
Also as I noted by copy/pasting a Taleb book review below, I think the distribution of risk/reward here skews the decision making. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 3:13 PM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Also I looked at the meta-analysis and it does not exactly fill me with confidence that low-volume drinking is safe for the fetus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710434) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 6:15 PM Author: Curious Crotch Agreed that in the absence of direct evidence, we should look to indirect evidence. The best indirect evidence here is that many mothers drink, but few notice effects; and many researchers have tried to find an effect of low to moderate drinking in late pregnancy, but they have by and large failed (see, e.g, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4575046/ ; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17233797/ ; http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/7/e015410 ).
What is needed - absent an interventional study - is a larger prospective study in humans, which controls for the various confounds that might be masking an effect.
As things stand, EVEN CONTROLLING FOR SES, meta-analyses suggest leave open the possibility there's a _beneficial_ effect of low-moderate drinking --- I suspect this is due to other confounds not fully captured by SES, but who knows. [Still, it's not like the sign flipped when they only looked at studies controlling for SES].
QUOTE ( source - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/acer.12214 ) ********** In a separate meta‐analysis based on 7 studies with NOS scores of 6 or more including approximately 26,100 children, we observed a statistically significant, albeit small, beneficial association between mild‐to‐moderate prenatal alcohol exposure and cognition (Cohen's d 0.04; 95% CI, 0.00, 0.08; p = 0.03; Fig. 2). None of the associations observed in the individual studies in this subanalysis were statistically significant. Although not statistically significant, the direction of 1 study, by Brown and colleagues (2010), was opposite to the others and another, by Kelly and colleagues (2009), was centered at zero among girls, but not boys.
This association between mild‐to‐moderate prenatal alcohol exposure and cognition was of similar magnitude, but no longer significant in a post hoc analysis considering only the 6 studies that controlled for SES (excluding a study by Alati et al. [2008] that accounted for SES in published analyses including individuals with heavy prenatal alcohol exposure, but not in published analyses that met our inclusion criteria; Cohen's d 0.04; 95% CI, −0.01, 0.09; p = 0.08). The association with cognition also was not significant when including only studies that assessed moderate alcohol consumption (Fig. S1), even when limiting these studies to those that were of “high quality.”
When including studies of all quality scores, we observed a significant detrimental association between binge prenatal alcohol exposure and child cognition (Cohen's d −0.13; 95% CI, −0.21, −0.05; p < 0.01; Fig. 2). This analysis used data on children aged 6 months to 14 years from 8 studies (n & 10,000). The results of this meta‐analysis were borderline significant when limited to data from studies of high quality (n & 9,000, p = 0.054).
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You propose a precautionary principle, one strengthened by the notion that the mother is acting as (in essence) a fiduciary for someone else who doesn't have a say in the matter. A glib response: it's plausible there's a hormetic effect at low levels, such that the precautionary principle would _mandate_ low levels of alcohol consumption.
A less glib response: my decision principle here would be that you should weigh your utility function from drinking, including the extent (if any) to which you take your offspring into account), against the potential harm to the child. Nobody follows the precautionary principle, in which any potential for harm means you must abstain entirely, in any area of life that's not morally-loaded. Nor is it ever (logically) applied in the obverse, such that it is a positive injunction to do every action which may have some benefit. That is because they are unworkable in reality, on account of there's too much stuff going on.
So while my wife didn't drink during her pregnancies, I'm sanguine about nutella's behavior here. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: dashing ocher twinkling uncleanness dilemma >> Your question was “why cause unnecessary harm to the fetus?” My point was there are tons of behaviors that could cause harm to the fetus. <<
Sure, but come on your example of a car accident didn't make sense.
We know alcohol is bad for an unborn baby -- the only question it seems is the amount and frequency. At some point it's bad and then at another point it's disastrous.
Driving is not nearly the same thing because some amount of driving is not per se bad for an unborn baby. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Exactly.
Although I wouldn’t say “at some point it’s bad” — the effect is probably continuous. It’s just easier to detect in studies at higher drinking volumes. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: Curious Crotch By this logic, tapping a pregnant woman on the stomach must be harmful because punching her in the stomach would be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700909) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business I’m pretty sure there’s a threshold effect there homie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710222) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Curious Crotch That's my point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710234) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Right, but how much do you want to bet the threshold for booze is above one glass of wine? Your child’s IQ? That’s my point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710252) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: Curious Crotch (actually it is even worse, because we have decent evidence moderate alcohol consumption is hormetic in adults, so why wouldn't the logic translate to fetuses.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700942) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Iirc it may be slightly cardioprotective, but you’re trading that for other risks, so not a good deal overall. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710231) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: Curious Crotch I have no idea how you are quantifying any of this. Seems like speculation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710244) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:47 PM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Are you positing another mechanism for the purported health benefits of booze? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710262) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 6:29 PM Author: Curious Crotch No, I was responding to "not a good deal overall." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35711868) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: sable brethren consider the other side of the equation as well. Nutella is arguing that drinking wine is as important as driving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700477) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:48 AM Author: Internet-worthy Boiling Water House TCR. These toolboxes obviously don't have kids. Crossing the street is more dangerous than having a glass or two of wine per week during later pregnancy. Fuck, given listeria and norovirus, eating lettuce or hummus is more dangerous.
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business I’m not sure arguments of the form “here are some risks we can’t practically eliminate, therefore let’s take even more” are that effective, fyi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699087) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Crusty stirring hell karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699150) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Vivacious cobalt church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699153) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: infuriating set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700845) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: dashing ocher twinkling uncleanness dilemma My future pregnant wife won't be allowed to eat. The threat of choking to death is all too real (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699142) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: marvelous friendly grandma lol cmon bro, you can't be serious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699378) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: frozen area windowlicker Im normally on your side nutella but haha wow holy shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700907) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Brindle wild degenerate institution https://www.newscientist.com/article/2133639-drinking-small-amounts-while-pregnant-may-affect-the-babys-face/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700389) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: Mahogany school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700407) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: outnumbered burgundy love of her life stag film "Analysing these revealed subtle differences in the faces of babies whose mothers had drunk alcohol compared with those whose mothers hadn’t. These included a slightly shorter, more-upturned nose."
loooll wholly shit drinking makes the baby MORE attractive
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:26 PM Author: Curious Crotch No need to worry Halliday says women who have drunk a little when pregnant shouldn’t worry. “At this stage, we have not identified any problems for people to worry about,” she says. Even if the alcohol has had some effect, many other factors have an influence on a baby’s health and development, such as nutrition. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: Curious Crotch Cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700771) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: sable brethren It's "probably" fine to let my 5 year old ride in the back seat without a seatbelt - 99% chance she'll never be injured. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699156) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Health organisations generally recommend that pregnant women avoid alcohol entirely, but many women drink before realising they are pregnant – which is often a month or two into a pregnancy.
“We don’t know of a safe lower threshold,” says Chambers. “The recommendation to avoid alcohol in pregnancy is a wise one.” |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: marvelous friendly grandma lol @ the non-risk averse faggot apologists ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699272) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:16 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Consider also who gets the benefits, and who shoulders the risk of this drinking behavior.
Benefit: the mother.
Risk: the child.
The mother has no direct skin in the game. If they were at risk for permanent mental impairment, I’d guess their behavior would be different.
If you have no skin in the game, you shouldn’t be in the game. “If you give an opinion, and someone follows it, you are morally obligated to be, yourself, exposed to its consequences.” Hawks in the White House should not be taking decisions about bombs in Iraq when they will remain in their air-conditioned houses with their 2.2 children whatever the result. Bankers similarly are in the “Bob Rubin trade”, named after the former secretary of the US Treasury, who collected more than $120 million in compensation from Citibank in the decade preceding the banking crash of 2008. When the bank, literally insolvent, was rescued by the taxpayer, he didn’t write any cheque – he invoked uncertainty as an excuse.
Drinking mothers should not be allowed to invoke uncertainty as an excuse. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: Internet-worthy Boiling Water House Lol at this incomprehensible dreck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699635) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: infuriating set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700839) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:26 PM Author: Alcoholic Skinny Woman Sanctuary How do you know that moderate alcohol has no benefits for the child? It has huge benefits for adults... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701025) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business Link to “huge benefits”? There’s some evidence it’s slightly cardioprotective, and that’s all I know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710269) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: charcoal theater black woman so fucking stupid, cost-benefit analysis clearly weighs in favor of abstinence here, wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699347) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: Transparent shivering sandwich place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699349) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: exhilarant sweet tailpipe Wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700880) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: Soul-stirring effete parlor My wife has a friend of a friend who is trashy as hell. We've only met her a handful of times. She's in her mid 30s and pregnant, so she's already high risk. She's a smoker and told us that her doctor advised against quitting cold turkey and instead to slowly wean off cigarettes when pregnant. She's still smoking as far as I know. 99% sure this selfish retard made up this "doctor's" advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699351) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: marvelous friendly grandma I just don't understand why you would risk it, as a mother. You want the best possible outcome for your child, and drinking a glass of wine here and there seems pointless by comparison. And the thing is you'll never know whether those glasses of wine had any effect on the fetal development. The best practice is to put the development of the fetus first during the 9 months, and at the end of the day you know you did your best for the child's development. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699365) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: Soul-stirring effete parlor But but but *inserts 30 white women wine memes* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699409) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: exhilarant sweet tailpipe A single glass of wine or beer consumed slowly is NBD after first trimester. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700814) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: Contagious Dead Internal Respiration Private Investor 1. “Analysing these [70K faces] revealed subtle differences in the faces of babies whose mothers had drunk alcohol compared with those whose mothers hadn’t. These included a slightly shorter, more-upturned nose.” Sounds credited for (((whites))) 2. Nutella compares the risk of maternal drinking to pregnant women getting in car accidents. But this isn’t the same thing. Having a glass of wine isn’t taking a drive that has a x% chance of ending in an accident or not, it’s a 100% exposure to a tiny fender bender every time. Now you can say the accumulated fender benders are not meaningful to fetal development, but that’s a separate argument. 3. I sympathize with the kind of geriatric pregnancy high powered career woman who NEEDS her My glass of wine late in her pregnancy, and I’m for giving expectant mothers as much leeway and autonomy as possible. But those high risk geriatric pregnancies also are the ones with the least leeway to play with. |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: exhilarant sweet tailpipe Volume of alcohol drunk in those studies? Virtually all studies are of alcoholic populations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700869) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: Seedy Vigorous Multi-billionaire Congrats on the 7. How far along is she? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700915) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: exhilarant sweet tailpipe Dat cancel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700989) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: Alcoholic Skinny Woman Sanctuary Just going to leave this here...
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a32292/why-i-drank-while-i-was-pregnant/ |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: Alcoholic Skinny Woman Sanctuary While researching her controversial bookExpecting Better: Why the Conventional Pregnancy Wisdom Is Wrong and What You Really Need to Know, Oster said that many doctors seemed to agree that a random glass of wine on a weekly basis probably isn't harmful, based on anecdotal experience and perhaps the foreign research too. But she also said she got the impression from doctors that they trust older, professional, more educated women with this inside information because doctors assume those women will actually keep pregnant drinking under wraps, whereas the general population might interpret the OK to have one glass of wine as a slippery slope to have more.
This is the drumbeat of many pregnant drinkers (admittedly, myself included) — that they're privy to the inside info that doctors only tell their friends. For this reason, I never asked my doctor to sign off on my occasional drink during pregnancy. Writing that smacks as irresponsible, but the truth is that if my doctor told me I couldn't, I'd believe she was just telling me what she's supposed to. I asked an ob-gyn friend instead, because I knew that, in private, friend to friend, she would give me the truth. She said a drink here or there is completely fine.
"I remember a nurse friend telling me, 'We can't trust most people to drink in moderation, so they tell them not to do it at all,'" Josie Ortega, a 30-year-old mom from Nashville, Tennessee, told me. She drank lightly — at cocktail parties or after dinners with her husband — during pregnancy with her two daughters, now 8 months and 2 years old. ("I'm officially pregnant, drinking wine and unashamed," Ortega tweeted last year, linking to a preview of Oster's book in the Wall Street Journal.)
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: sable brethren Oster is a hard autist. Like a female Bryan Caplan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701111) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: Curious Crotch How did xo not read this book when it came out? It got a ny times article. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701112) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:34 PM Author: Alcoholic Skinny Woman Sanctuary Lol at all the people in this thread remembering their proletown medical advice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701124) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:37 PM Author: concupiscible gaming laptop ATD (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703451) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:07 AM Author: Saffron rough-skinned indian lodge The problem with threads like these is that xo men don't see any value in things that are intrinsically rewarding to women, they just see women as vessels for pushing out babies.
Which is why you have all the "Why would you risk ift for one glass?" Questions. Someone said the risk of the alcohol should be weighed against the reward a glass of wine offers a pregnant woman - the problem is, they don't care about the mother's reward.
If this were something that prevented men from doing something enjoyable the responses would be a lot different.
And as Nutella was saying, why ever do anything for pleasure's sake that isn't 100% safe? |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:19 AM Author: Impressive wonderful brunch spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35706945) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 5:13 AM Author: Vivacious cobalt church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35707024) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:16 AM Author: Soul-stirring effete parlor This is retarded. It's about self control and the desire to do everything possible to give your kids the absolute best shot in life. If there's a chance that light drinking has even a very mild impact on the IQ or health of the baby, it isn't worth it.
It's also asinine to assume that men can't relate. I forego hedonistic pleasure every single day for the betterment of my family. You think I work 60 hours a week as a miserable lawyer for fun? No, I do it so my children can have a good life. This is same reason I don't go the bar and drink during the week. If I didn't have kids, I'd be bumming around doing something fun instead.
The willingness to sacrifice important things, let alone some stupid hedonistic pleasures, for helping our kids used to be instinctive in our culture. That has changed and it's indicative of a larger problem. Then again, I wouldn't expect a heroin addict to understand. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:27 AM Author: Curious Crotch Agreed it is silly to suggest men cannot relate, except I suppose to women's selfishness.
Some critiques, though:
1) People drink far less during pregnancy now than they ever have (since alcohol became readily available). Smoke less, too. That would seem a problem for your larger thesis.
2) Re: giving kids the absolute best shot in life, two responses --
a. There's very weak to nonexistent evidence limited alcohol in the third trimesters is at all harmful. The reason it's fixated on, as opposed to other dangers (say, living in a city where the air is worse) is that there's a moral panic over it, and Americans like to quail.
b. The metric of "giving kids the absolute best shot in life" leads to worse kids. Here's how (vox title). When you expend too much energy on any one kid, you'll not have the energy to have more. Yet your kids' success or failure is almost entirely genetically determined, such that the proper course to give your kids the best shot is to (i) select their parents well; and, (ii) have MORE kids.
Making having kids unpleasant means (ii) is less likely, and I've seen nobody urging against alcohol here focus on (i), even though, if giving kids "the best shot" is the metric, it should be near paramount.
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My wife didn't drink during her pregnancies. She also gave up coffee and a range of other things which may be bad for the child. She exercised, took those stupid omega-3 pills, all that stuff. As RSF pumos are fond of pointing out, it profited us little. On the other hand, there are mothers who drink and smoke and use drugs freely who have kids who reach the summum bonum of society.
It is always tempting, as a parent, to wish to have more power than you do; as a child, to assign more power to parents than is warranted. The world seems more sensible when we're in control. But we are, by and large, not. Doing the modern equivalent of wiping away the labor blood and signing against the Evil Eye won't stop the jaws of tragedy from taking you and your family whenever they fancy a guttle. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:40 AM Author: Saffron rough-skinned indian lodge I didn't say men can't relate, I said xo men don't care about this because they don't care about women's pleasure.
If it were men who had to give up drinking you'd better believe ey'd be a lot more sympathetic to people who wants to drink during pregnancy. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:50 AM Author: Crusty stirring hell karate I literally search high and low for the BIGGEST COCKS to give my girlfriend ultimate pleasure and I think this is utterly batshit retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35707582) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: dashing ocher twinkling uncleanness dilemma This is not true at all.
It's not like men are saying pregnant women should have no pleasure. Nobody ITT would say a pregnant woman shouldn't go and get a massage if it would make her aching body feel better, or shouldn't have some pizza if she's craving it. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: Crusty stirring hell karate cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35708166) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: sable brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35708309) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: marvelous friendly grandma lmfao at this pigeon-brained nonsense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710267) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: Lascivious Becky Mad-dog Skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710285) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: motley crackhouse cuck This is stupid. Would the same apply to eating raw soft cheeses? Cigarettes? Drugs? Not wearing a seatbelt because it makes her "slightly uncomfortable" with the big belly?
She could have had an abortion or not gotten pregnant. No one forced her into this. She chose to maintain the pregnancy. By doing so, she accepts that her body is now shared with the baby until it is weaned, and as such should behave in accordance with that symbiosis. And if she's not willing to, then we are allowed to judge her as selfish. It has nothing to do with male vs female. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:19 AM Author: Impressive wonderful brunch spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35706944) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 5:08 PM Author: odious self-centered genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35711245) |