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Date: April 8th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: thriller menage
According to Gardner’s analysis of Amazon’s 10-K filing, most of the company’s massive write-off—nearly $1 billion—came from high-level executives cashing in stock options. That’s right: When employees sell their stock, employers get to claim the entire value of that deduction. Say the company gave a VP $1 million in stock in 2008, when it was valued at around $70 a share. Those stocks would be worth more than $20 million if cashed out now—and Amazon could take the whole thing as a write-off. According its 10-K filing, Amazon’s execs cashed out nearly $1 billion in stock options last year, negating most of the year’s federal tax bill.
https://newfoodeconomy.org/amazon-whole-foods-a-whole-federal-tax-doorbell-ring/
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Date: April 8th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: burgundy locus
Why does this seem egregious to you? The relevant principle here is you pay tax on profits, not just revenues. I assume this seems fair to you.
How do you calculate the value of compensation paid on employee stock options? Is it (a) the value of the options upon issuance (using black-scholes, so based on stock price volatility, prevailing interest rates, etc) or (b) the value of the underlying shares whenever employees actually exercise the options? GAAP says (a) but the IRS says (b).
The “write off” here (write off is the wrong term) is from Amazon’s stock skyrocketing during the period after the options were issued and when the employees exercised them. Basically they took a deduction for accounting taxes (but not cash taxes) upon issuing the options and then adjusted for actual cash tax savings upon issuing the shares.
The value being transferred from shareholders to employees is obviously higher when the stock price is higher - why shouldn’t the shareholders benefit from a proportionate deduction on compensation expense??
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Date: April 8th, 2018 10:36 AM Author: burgundy locus
Hold up lemme save you the time:
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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:09 PM Author: titillating blue famous landscape painting box office
It seems like the incentive is to run a non-profitable revenue growth company and to use your stock as currency, where the stock is valued off of growth in revenue and not profits (net income). Given a long enough time scale this creates extreme distortions
Having stock be used as currency to pay for acquisitions, pay employees and to raise capital to continue profit-less revenue growth distorts markets and value.
The extreme example of this is what AOL did with Time-Warner - used their ridiculously overvalued stock as currency to acquire an actually profitable company and look what happened.
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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:13 PM Author: burgundy locus
well stocks (and bonds and every other asset) are ultimately only valued based on cash flow. you can't eat net income.
early stage tech and pharma companies are valued based on revenue (or other metrics like page views), but only as a proxy for future cash flow. you can't actually not generate cash flow into perpetuity (ask elon musk).
amazon is a special case because people saw its immense potential relatively quickly - 99.999% of companies couldn't recreate their approach to stock based comp and stuff
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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:07 PM Author: Electric Hall
Donald Trump said he's "smart" by not paying income taxes — and argued that if he did, the money would be "squandered."
Trump's jaw-dropping statements came after Hillary Clinton launched a fiery attack on the Republican presidential nominee for breaking a four-decade tradition of White House aspirants releasing their federal income tax returns.
"The only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax," Clinton said.
Trump quickly retorted: "That makes me smart."
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