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Magical thinking is Jordan Peterson's fatal flaw

(1) His opinion on whether Jesus was physically literally re...
Swashbuckling henna son of senegal
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This is very cr and my main gripe with him, he straight up w...
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  04/13/18
180 you shouldve made this thread
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I don't actually think this btw. There's no bright line way ...
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he really can't drop his point about mythology and religion ...
cyan telephone police squad
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that argument is that just as objective truth in perception ...
Swashbuckling henna son of senegal
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yes. this was james' problem in the varieties of religious e...
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I think his point in will to believe was you have to orient ...
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i agree, and that's why he approaches it in an almost anthro...
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why does this bother you so much? i think it's 180 and reall...
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i shake with impotent rage every time peterson's name comes ...
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It’s actually his best quality
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Multi-colored mewling legend
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Heh.
Swashbuckling henna son of senegal
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its everybody's cognitive flaw to some degree.
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It seems the concept of magical thinking is just a heuristic...
Swashbuckling henna son of senegal
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don't disagree. can and should be reduced as much as we can...
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Spaceporn agrees with me
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Damning
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120
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DOGMA
Swashbuckling henna son of senegal
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(Can't compute JP)
Cobalt histrionic senate
  04/13/18
did you take the mandatory IQ test?
Swashbuckling henna son of senegal
  04/13/18
r u ePISScopalian?
Cobalt histrionic senate
  04/13/18
Thought so
Swashbuckling henna son of senegal
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I love his stuff about the psychology of spirituality and ho...
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I also fail to see how you can move from predictable violati...
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JP's whole shtick is that objective material reality is not ...
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I understand he is a pragmatist about conceptual frameworks,...
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for people like us, yes, this contradiction makes no sense a...
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I think it's more about the psychology of spirituality and i...
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cr
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surely he didn't talk about christ in those terms
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Sorry bucko
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He literally said something to the effect of, "Was Chri...
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So are all cult leaders "maximally competent"? Tha...
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I mean, if Jesus was a cult leader he didn't do a very good ...
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Bro that's is almost verbatim. I'm looking.
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if so that's disappointing because i'm a fan of his ability ...
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that's all jordan peterson is - a guru for telling young men...
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yeah i don't disagree, it just relates to whether i have any...
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Really enjoyed this subthread
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Xenu for some, lobster apotheosis for others.
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https://youtu.be/VPIh1xQiuI8?t=137
Swashbuckling henna son of senegal
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APOTHEOSIZED LOBSTER
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Youre suggesting that when asked about the resurrection of C...
Swashbuckling henna son of senegal
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oh, no no. i don't have a problem with "magical thinkin...
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Please describe for the low iq types here including myself
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For me, suggesting that Christ is just like, super engaged w...
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Do you take intervention by god to be a low or high frequenc...
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i didn't come here to get into what my beliefs are; all i'm ...
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Right, and you hold the conventionalist view, which is divin...
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i'm not suggesting that i hold the conventional view (though...
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It's like, good luck with that.
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i thought this was what peterson was getting at, but "m...
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does he claim to approach the bible as a christian in the fi...
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no but i think he's taken some care to take into account est...
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something like this didn't plato talk about this in the r...
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the so-called noble lie, yes
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i'm a 1st year philosophy student at xo university. thank
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This made me spit out my Piña La Croix Tyft
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i think peterson is a really high functioning schizophrenic
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The Dao. He talks about Christian competence mastery being l...
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ok, this makes more sense to me. so his idea of jesus is not...
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Does he specifically limit the Divine? Don't put words in h...
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that's how it seems to me. why would a divine being need to ...
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Absolutely devastating
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I don't think I know either the Christian nor Peterson's con...
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it's about alignment and being at the social apex bro
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Terrence McKenna had a really good answer to this in a lectu...
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Date: April 13th, 2018 7:55 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

(1) His opinion on whether Jesus was physically literally resurrected is that he doesn't know what is possible when someone perfectly embodies the apex competence hierarchy narrative. (2) His opinion on miracles is that the laws of physics break down as time since the big bang goes to zero, so who knows.

Magical thinking is when someone believes the way they think influences otherwise casually understandable events. It seems pretty straightforward that (1) is an instance of magical thinking, and (2) is some sort of quasiscientific justification.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35831302)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 8:06 AM
Author: Glittery queen of the night

This is very cr and my main gripe with him, he straight up won’t answer whether he believes in superhero cartoon like aspects of the Jesus story and also never even glances at the astrotheolgical meanings behind the resurrection or crucifixtion (winter solstice rising and pausing for 3 days before reaching apex)

I think it’s disingenuous to continue the pop metaphysical quaint version of these stories being good lessons and dig much deeper into the not necessarily occult but at the least an honest discussion about astrotheolgical guidepoints (which they are inarguably).

I respect him for realizing things are super fucked in society especially amongst males and he needs to package it so people can buy what he’s selling.

I’m just frustrated that there’s not mainstream discussion on these things beyond a surface level, maybe it’s just my spectrum speaking heh

But yes as a “scientist” which he claims to be and is from a publishing standpoint I believe you are on to something with the fallacy brewing here maybe not necessarily magical thinking but it’s a start for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35831327)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 8:18 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

180 you shouldve made this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35831365)



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Date: November 14th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Glittery queen of the night

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37234808)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:17 PM
Author: soul-stirring duck-like sex offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833299)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 8:53 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

I don't actually think this btw. There's no bright line way to distinguish magical thinking from scientific thinking that accounts for attitude-behavior-environment feedback

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35831528)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: cyan telephone police squad

he really can't drop his point about mythology and religion being "true" in the spiritual/emotional sense, can he

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35831768)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

that argument is that just as objective truth in perception is defined by correspondence with external reality, spiritual/emotional/moral truth is defined by correspondence with God

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35831798)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 9:46 AM
Author: cyan telephone police squad

yes. this was james' problem in the varieties of religious experience. he couldn't separate the metaphysical from the psychological. you can see why, though. once you come out and say, well, it isn't true, but believing as if it is true is enormously helpful, there's nothing you can say to make that rest comfortably in the mind

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35831823)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

I think his point in will to believe was you have to orient yourself conceptually in certain ways to experience the truth of moral/religious claims. Providing a justification for the claim that conceptual frames can be chosen is difficult though. I think it has to do with how one handles uncertainty. Radical uncertainty either yields clinging to certainties (science) or embrace/revealing inn uncertainty (Dionysus)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832186)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: cyan telephone police squad

i agree, and that's why he approaches it in an almost anthropological way. it's just not convincing to leave it there with the question about ultimate truth hanging over it unaddressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833042)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: Multi-colored mewling legend

why does this bother you so much? i think it's 180 and really jives with my childhood obsession with rpgs / comic books

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832198)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:18 PM
Author: cyan telephone police squad

i shake with impotent rage every time peterson's name comes up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832869)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: flatulent dysfunction hairy legs

It’s actually his best quality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35831807)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 10:53 AM
Author: Multi-colored mewling legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832214)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 10:57 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Heh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832254)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 10:57 AM
Author: Mahogany geriatric home

its everybody's cognitive flaw to some degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832253)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:00 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

It seems the concept of magical thinking is just a heuristic for talking about attitude-behavior-environment feedback loops. And heuristics are, as a category, justifiable on the basis of human finitide and the consequent limitations of science as a descriptive enterprise. I am open to the magnitude of magical thinking shrinking, but I don't think it can ever be done away with.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832270)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Mahogany geriatric home

don't disagree. can and should be reduced as much as we can in this human finite mortal life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832339)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Spaceporn agrees with me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832370)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:44 AM
Author: fighting passionate filthpig windowlicker

Damning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832602)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: Cobalt histrionic senate

120

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832330)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:26 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

DOGMA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832484)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:07 PM
Author: Cobalt histrionic senate

(Can't compute JP)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832780)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:09 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

did you take the mandatory IQ test?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832798)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:17 PM
Author: Cobalt histrionic senate

r u ePISScopalian?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832855)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Thought so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833119)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: Exhilarant rose gaming laptop

I love his stuff about the psychology of spirituality and how humans form their belief architectures, how it impacts their emotions and cognition, but making the jump from that to literal belief in the Jesus story he loses me. He is much more impacting when he just talks about the basis of motivation, belief and how "unreal" (in a sense) entities can push us, i.e like the Jungian belief of working toward an ideal future self. That is very fascinating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832364)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

I also fail to see how you can move from predictable violations of the laws of physics (big bang) to spontaneous, mind/will based violations (Jesus) without some pretty farfetched understanding of mind

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832435)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:31 AM
Author: gold legal warrant coldplay fan

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832518)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:39 AM
Author: Hairraiser orchid church

JP's whole shtick is that objective material reality is not mutually exclusive with human spiritual ("magical" if you want) reality and understanding, which clearly provide us with practical utility, just like how understanding objective material reality provides us with practical utility

how can you not get this?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832572)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:45 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

I understand he is a pragmatist about conceptual frameworks, and that is fine (though not ideal) provided your conceptual framework is not contradicted by physical facts. It was only neopragmatism that did away entirely with truth makers, and that is a mistake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832607)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:57 AM
Author: Hairraiser orchid church

for people like us, yes, this contradiction makes no sense and is not useful in any way. but if the other 95% of the population benefits more from believing in spirituality that is contradicted by physical facts, are we really going to try to tell them otherwise?

(imo) it seems pretty clear that an explicitly athiest (defined by lack of spirituality) society has proved to be an utter failure, and that normal people NEED this spirituality to function properly in the same way that people NEED to understand the science behind the weather so that we can grow crops to eat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832696)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:49 AM
Author: Exhilarant rose gaming laptop

I think it's more about the psychology of spirituality and its impact on human psychology, motivation, etc. is what the shtick is. He's not really drawing a line between "material" and "spiritual" as in "immaterial".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832635)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: Cobalt histrionic senate

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832789)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:46 AM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

surely he didn't talk about christ in those terms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832616)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:52 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Sorry bucko

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832663)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:56 AM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

He literally said something to the effect of, "Was Christ supernatural? I don't know, I don't know what happens when you fully dominate a social hierarchy and you're maximally competent. Maybe."

Seriously? I need a link. This guy is a fucking whacko if so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832694)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: Exhilarant rose gaming laptop

So are all cult leaders "maximally competent"? That's interesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832703)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

I mean, if Jesus was a cult leader he didn't do a very good job of it. Generally, cult leaders manage to get some kind of personal gain. Wouldn't characterize Christ's life as being about himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832715)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 11:59 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Bro that's is almost verbatim. I'm looking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832707)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

if so that's disappointing because i'm a fan of his ability to convince wayward young men that wisdom considered platitude as recently as the 1990s is a good way to organize your life. he isn't wrong about that, of course, and if he gets credit beyond what he's owed for being some kind of guru for telling young men to have families and get their lives in order, great, fine, whatever. i'm down with that.

but characterizing jesus as just an apotheosized lobster, idk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832745)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:10 PM
Author: Hairraiser orchid church

that's all jordan peterson is - a guru for telling young men to take responsibility for themselves, get their lives in order, and have families

the actual details of his shtick are totally irrelevant. he could be making up random shit as he goes along (it sure seems like it) and it wouldn't matter, as long as he could successfully convince people of the above message

if telling people that jesus is a magical lobster accomplishes the above goal, great. who cares? normal people are really dumb and they need something to believe in or else they get confused, lost and self-destructive - see modern society. this is not rocket science

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832800)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:13 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

yeah i don't disagree, it just relates to whether i have any personal affection for what the man thinks. i am remiss in reading up on this particular NEW HOTNESS in the alt-right. what little i've seen of him strikes me as good enough.

i'm totally fine with the telling of noble lies. if jesus = lobster gets people to church (at least "low church," as it were) and paying their taxes and off of tinder, whatever, great. go nuts. theology is a high grade problem.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832828)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:15 PM
Author: flatulent dysfunction hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832836)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:04 PM
Author: Glittery queen of the night

Really enjoyed this subthread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834054)



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Date: November 3rd, 2018 2:11 AM
Author: Fragrant Glassy Cumskin Library

Xenu for some, lobster apotheosis for others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37149307)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

https://youtu.be/VPIh1xQiuI8?t=137

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832739)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:05 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal
Subject: APOTHEOSIZED LOBSTER

DID HIS BODY RESURRECT: https://youtu.be/VPIh1xQiuI8?t=238

I DONT KNOW. I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO A PERSON IF THEY BRING THEMSELVES COMPLETELY INTO ALIGNMENT. WE DONT UNDERSTAND THE WORLD VERY WELL. WE DONT KNOW HOW THE WORLD COULD BE MASTERED IF IT COULD BE MASTERED COMPLETELY.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832755)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:11 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

yeah, i mean, this is ... a strange look. i'm willing to grant him that he's speaking off the cuff and it isn't clear quite what he means, perhaps even to himself. this is certainly a mote of evidence in favor of your characterization of him though.

Christ's literal and miraculous resurrection relates to whether He is the son of God, not just a really, really, really, really, really, really good person.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832809)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Youre suggesting that when asked about the resurrection of Christ JP unintentionally lead with the symbolic interpretation, and then unintentionally followed that with the weaker of two (or more) possible arguments for its literal possibility, and that an argument for the literal interpretation from the son of God would be both stronger and less magical than the argument from competence mastery?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833030)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:48 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

oh, no no. i don't have a problem with "magical thinking." i just don't think he's engaged in the right TYPE of magical thinking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833095)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Please describe for the low iq types here including myself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833123)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:02 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

For me, suggesting that Christ is just like, super engaged with the Logos or works really hard at being good or something but that he was otherwise ordinary is kind of Mormon or Gnostic or something. You know, we're all kind of God, man, and all we have to do is act right, whatever that is (forming secret societies, taking multiple wives and learning secret handshakes, whatever).

But, for me, the story of Christ is not like that at all. The story of Christ is about God making the gracious choice to excuse us our literally irredeemable selves--but for His intervention, we have literally no hope of maeking it. So the notion that one can achieve Godhood, with all its attendant characteristics (for instance, perfection), is at direct loggerheads with our nature.

Now, you can of course say, yes, but this is all bullshit. Okay, sure, perhaps so. But it's hard to read the story of Christ, and the Bible and its supporting scholarship, as a story about an ordinary man who became extraordinary. So if Peterson were playing by the typical rules of Biblical exegesis, there would be no way he could conclude that Christ is, yanno, Rudy.

In a way, that story would be the more miraculous one. At least Christ is, according to convention, a truly literal deus ex machina. Peterson would be, by my reckoning, more "magical" in his thinking by believing that, yes, becoming actual Christ such that the bodily resurrection is possible can be done if you will but will it.

Of course the waters get muddied here, because we are called to be like Christ. But being like Christ, in our limited capacities, is not the same as being Christ. And we are, in practically every doctrine and at some point in practically every liturgy, reminded of that again and again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833193)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:09 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Do you take intervention by god to be a low or high frequency event? Are there other instances of historical intervention that are of the same type as Jesus but maybe a different magnitude, so that Jesus was just the second biggest historical intervention next to creation, but not a total fluke?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833239)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

i didn't come here to get into what my beliefs are; all i'm suggesting is that if peterson wants to talk about the "magicalness" of Christ being one of an ascended man, he's definitely taking a minority view and flying in the face of some fairly well-established conventional magical thinking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833249)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:33 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Right, and you hold the conventionalist view, which is divine intervention, and I'm asking about the mechanics of that, because Peterson's mechanics are more fleshed out than what I've heard from you so far.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833403)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:56 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

i'm not suggesting that i hold the conventional view (though I believe myself to). what i'm suggesting is that the divine "mechanics" of the resurrection, whatever they are, as they exist in the story of Christ basically utterly foreclose on the possibility of what Peterson is extemporaneously, and perhaps unfairly being characterized as, saying here due to the very nature of Christ. Peterson can have a fulsome alternative view of Christ, and that's fine, but some mention of the fact that it utterly and completely upends what is considered by millennia of doctrine as the nature of Christ, so much so that one may as well be talking about a different man in a different tradition, is perhaps warranted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833572)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 2:04 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

It's like, good luck with that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833627)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: bull headed sexy chad site

i thought this was what peterson was getting at, but "mastering the world" is such a weird fucking way to say it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833245)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:13 PM
Author: exciting shaky toilet seat university

does he claim to approach the bible as a christian in the first place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833271)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:14 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

no but i think he's taken some care to take into account established wisdom in well-trod areas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833280)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:35 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

I think that's right, and so by many accounts he is not a Christian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833417)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:20 PM
Author: bull headed sexy chad site

what does mastering the world completely mean? bring themselves completely into alignment with what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832890)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:24 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

into complete alignment with the neurochemical excretion that, from the time of the First Lobster, indicates there is no further social dominance left to achieve

in other words, Mystery from VH1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832916)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: Multi-colored mewling legend

something like this

didn't plato talk about this in the republic? that men are, by nature, of different quality (bronze, silver, gold) and that the man of 100% pure bronze should be honored above impure silver/gold?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833022)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:40 PM
Author: flushed piazza international law enforcement agency

the so-called noble lie, yes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833038)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:42 PM
Author: Multi-colored mewling legend

i'm a 1st year philosophy student at xo university. thank

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833049)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:44 PM
Author: Cobalt histrionic senate

woah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833063)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:09 PM
Author: Glittery queen of the night

This made me spit out my Piña La Croix

Tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834112)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:32 PM
Author: cyan telephone police squad

i think peterson is a really high functioning schizophrenic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832980)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: Hairraiser orchid church

anybody on an SSRI regimen for years is gonna have a pretty fucking weird brain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832998)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: Glittery queen of the night

Underrated likely truth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834124)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:40 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

The Dao. He talks about Christian competence mastery being like being in alignment with The Way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833035)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:46 PM
Author: bull headed sexy chad site

ok, this makes more sense to me. so his idea of jesus is not of divinity, but is of a human who's gone further than everyone else on the spiritual path?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833081)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:50 PM
Author: Cobalt histrionic senate

Does he specifically limit the Divine?

Don't put words in his mouth, he doesn't shut out Christians.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833108)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:52 PM
Author: bull headed sexy chad site

that's how it seems to me. why would a divine being need to achieve complete mastery of the path to becoming aligned with the divine?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833125)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:11 PM
Author: Glittery queen of the night

Absolutely devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834134)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:54 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

I don't think I know either the Christian nor Peterson's concept of divinity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833134)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: cyan telephone police squad

it's about alignment and being at the social apex bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833179)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:07 PM
Author: Laughsome athletic conference hall

how is magical thinking not real

i impose my will to power and my understanding of the nature of the board on the board

over time my understanding of the nature of the board becomes the actual nature of the board

my thinking has become reality itself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832784)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:09 PM
Author: Cobalt histrionic senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832794)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: Hairraiser orchid church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832822)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 12:14 PM
Author: Exhilarant rose gaming laptop

This seems syllogistic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35832831)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:39 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Magical thinking is zero sum with naturalistic thinking, so there seems to be a good argument that mental causation in general is magical thinking, if you are a materialist/determinist. But with peterson the causal powers of the mind are extraordinary, and seem to be a case of magical thinking even for those that hold folk conceptions of minds and matter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833445)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: Glittery queen of the night

Terrence McKenna had a really good answer to this in a lecture of his about reality being a solid state matrix

A guy in audience basically called him out about reality only existing within our respective purviews say Amazon tribe and Wall Street, the former having no conception of latter but the choices of the latter could exhibit an effect on the reality of the former to the point of eliminating their reality

Essentially, McKenna’s take was that psychedelic or even spiritual experience showcases that Occam’s razor has a event horizon when it comes to actually reality that we make potential energetic choices within and anyone or anything that tries to simplify the domain of reality to a simple concept or framework fails to point out how impossible it is to account for all the permutations that go into existence like internal motivations etc

It’s a tremendous lecture of his from a biological point of view

https://youtu.be/bmcAesBjauY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834236)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:33 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Ty thought I'd heard everything from tm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834363)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: Glittery queen of the night

Not sure it’s that guys yt channel but I found this cache of hidden McKenna lectures uploaded online recently that are more biologically oriented and others more jungian or gnosis based that are 190

He’s one of 3 people I would revivify from the dead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834393)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:38 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Holy shit

What are other 2?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834413)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:39 PM
Author: Glittery queen of the night

Bach and Patrice O’Neal/Carlin tie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834427)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:47 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Odd case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834503)



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Date: April 5th, 2022 9:45 AM
Author: Lascivious Lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#44281363)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: exciting shaky toilet seat university

haven't looked at much of his stuff but that clip about christ being “in alignment” is a good example of what seems wrong with his oeuvre.

trying to get people to take “spirituality” seriously as an existential matter is well and good (and important at some level, depending on how it’s done) but he desperately clings to this notion that he’s a “scientist” to convince himself and others that he’s not just spouting french-style literary theory-as-philosophy, when that’s more or less what he’s doing in many cases. that's not necessarily a bad thing so long as you’re not just trying to be a malignant marxist for its own sake (as most are) and so long as you surrender any claim to speaking “scientifically”/on any level but the symbolic or existential. but he desperately wants to preserve his identity as a “scientific” academic because most people who go this intellectual route don’t have that. so he backs himself into talking about spiritual/existential objects in terms of this hard-and-fast science and psychology that’s he’s created and suddenly his whole discussion loses some of its force because it sounds like he’s doing extremely stretched science rather than existentialism for its own sake. makes him sound like terence mckenna in his worst moments (like the christ one).

you can be nietzsche in your philosophical writing and a “scientist” in your academic psychological work but it’s hard to do nietzsche *as* a scientist, and it makes the nietzchian bit seem ridiculous at points.

i really haven’t seen much of his shit at all though so could be wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833378)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 1:43 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

"extremely stretched science" - cr brother - he literally waves his hands in a magician-like fashion when describing the layers of being, etc. He is a literal hand waver.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35833472)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: Glittery queen of the night

Love jp and termck but this is pretty accurate

He needs to stick to simple life advice schtick and veer away from metaphysical realm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834410)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 3:12 PM
Author: Pale soggy shrine genital piercing

this thread blows out JPs hold.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35834150)



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Date: April 13th, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: flatulent dysfunction hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#35835027)



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Date: November 3rd, 2018 1:53 AM
Author: grizzly talented mad-dog skullcap office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37149245)



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Date: November 3rd, 2018 1:58 AM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

Wtf how search is broken

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37149263)



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Date: November 3rd, 2018 1:59 AM
Author: grizzly talented mad-dog skullcap office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37149264)



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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: cyan telephone police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37231312)



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Date: November 14th, 2018 8:46 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

This was the day I won the internet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37234665)



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Date: November 14th, 2018 8:53 PM
Author: Floppy Doobsian Field Regret

even greater than theology are delusions of grandeur

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37234727)



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Date: November 14th, 2018 8:55 PM
Author: Swashbuckling henna son of senegal

I made op from the toilet before leaving for work.

I remember the shit I took.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37234737)



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Date: November 14th, 2018 8:55 PM
Author: Floppy Doobsian Field Regret

like I said....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37234742)



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Date: November 14th, 2018 9:06 PM
Author: Glittery queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#37234819)



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Date: April 5th, 2022 9:39 AM
Author: azure new version area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3948058&forum_id=2#44281339)