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the colloqualism "has-been" should really be "had-been"

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Blue Bonkers Place Of Business Giraffe
  04/23/18
colloquialism*
Blue Bonkers Place Of Business Giraffe
  04/23/18
Then how are we to refer to deceased has-beens?
slate yapping persian
  04/23/18
Still technically a had-been, but with the additional dimens...
Blue Bonkers Place Of Business Giraffe
  04/23/18
Current losers are has-beens. A current “had-been” might wel...
slate yapping persian
  04/23/18
"Had" signals that a state of being has certainly ...
Blue Bonkers Place Of Business Giraffe
  04/23/18
The in-the-past part is covered by the unchanging "been...
slate yapping persian
  04/23/18
Agree. I'm just into grammar these days.
Blue Bonkers Place Of Business Giraffe
  04/23/18
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Exciting cruise ship
  04/23/18


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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:29 PM
Author: Blue Bonkers Place Of Business Giraffe



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Blue Bonkers Place Of Business Giraffe

colloquialism*

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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:39 PM
Author: slate yapping persian

Then how are we to refer to deceased has-beens?

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Date: April 23rd, 2018 3:49 PM
Author: Blue Bonkers Place Of Business Giraffe

Still technically a had-been, but with the additional dimension of having ceased to be alive. But if you really want to distinguish the living from the dead, then I'd go with "the late had-been."

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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: slate yapping persian

Current losers are has-beens. A current “had-been” might well have circled back around to being once more. “Had-been” says nothing about his current state of being (or Dasein).

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Date: April 23rd, 2018 7:13 PM
Author: Blue Bonkers Place Of Business Giraffe

"Had" signals that a state of being has certainly ended ("He had been one of the best hitters on the team"). "Has" signals that the state of being occurred in the past and may or may not be continuing ("He has been one of the best hitters on the team"), so it's "has been" that is ambiguous to the current state of being.

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Date: April 23rd, 2018 8:28 PM
Author: slate yapping persian

The in-the-past part is covered by the unchanging "been".

Nah I'm just trolling. I do think "has-been" sounds better, though.

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Date: April 23rd, 2018 8:32 PM
Author: Blue Bonkers Place Of Business Giraffe

Agree. I'm just into grammar these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957492&forum_id=2#35904458)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:40 PM
Author: Exciting cruise ship



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