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Which famous musician's legacy was helped most by an early death?

Intuitively I feel like Cobain is the right answer here, but...
flushed trip menage
  04/23/18
Cobain for sure I don't know enough about Jim Morrison, b...
Grizzly submissive circlehead
  04/23/18
i think it's either Joplin or Morrison. both were already i...
shaky free-loading box office
  04/23/18
Jim Croce is still alive as a guitar teacher in Fairborn, Oh...
Copper charismatic nursing home people who are hurt
  04/23/18
Elvis
Drunken Heaven Jewess
  04/23/18
Jimi easily. Had he stayed alive, he would've gone the Mile...
Hairraiser rehab fanboi
  04/23/18
Hendrix is a possibility, but his play was so unique and sou...
flushed trip menage
  04/23/18
No way. It's not like Miles Davis's popular music is conside...
arrogant aromatic senate roommate
  04/23/18
it's obscure to most non-musicians, particularly his albums ...
Hairraiser rehab fanboi
  04/23/18
I don't know about that.
Grizzly submissive circlehead
  04/23/18
not having a Jimi/Santana Grammys "mashup" in 2003...
shaky free-loading box office
  04/23/18
like prince
bearded contagious native boiling water
  04/23/18
hank williams has to be up there. he was popular during his...
Blathering Cyan Theater
  04/23/18
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Filthy Mexican Office
  04/23/18
Wrong. Johnny Cash wasn't pop-country and remained relevant...
Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus
  04/23/18
lol, don't be silly. songs like "walk the line" a...
Blathering Cyan Theater
  04/23/18
Johnny Cash's career was at a point of very high irrelevancy...
slimy mental disorder
  04/23/18
Joplin or cobain
comical elite gunner sweet tailpipe
  04/23/18
Cr
Disrespectful Step-uncle's House Weed Whacker
  04/23/18
how was joplin's career helped by her death? she sucked bef...
Hairraiser rehab fanboi
  04/23/18
lol no, she's idolized by ugly fat boomers who love ugly fat...
shaky free-loading box office
  04/23/18
btw, the musicians i listed are just some suggestions. certa...
flushed trip menage
  04/23/18
I always forget buddy holly even existed
comical elite gunner sweet tailpipe
  04/23/18
the Big Bopper was supposed to be on that plane. You're prob...
Excitant bawdyhouse round eye
  04/23/18
holly was wildly-popular when he was alive and had a massive...
Blathering Cyan Theater
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly was cr and on his way to being huge
mildly autistic talented messiness haunted graveyard
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly is an interesting choice - he released a stunnin...
motley citrine roast beef
  04/24/18
Morrison.
useless sexy institution
  04/23/18
Joplin wouldn't be anywhere close to as famous if not for he...
Alcoholic Cracking Abode
  04/23/18
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comical elite gunner sweet tailpipe
  04/23/18
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Kink-friendly glittery dog poop hospital
  04/23/18
Sublime is another example of an early death drastically inc...
comical elite gunner sweet tailpipe
  04/23/18
that's probably true
flushed trip menage
  04/23/18
I heard an obscure sublime song last weekend that I had neve...
Grizzly submissive circlehead
  04/23/18
Sublime are HUGE among the appropriate age group.
Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus
  04/23/18
Morrison. He was on his way to becoming a has-been fat boome...
judgmental church
  04/23/18
Jim Morrison, easily. He was already in a steep decline. ...
stimulating son of senegal
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly had a lot of future potential. Richie Valens an...
Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus
  04/23/18
janis joplin
stubborn vivacious laser beams center
  04/23/18
Sid Vicious, because he was a shitty "musician" an...
narrow-minded parlour
  04/23/18
I don't think he has a musical legacy though.
Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus
  04/23/18
well, OP said "musician's legacy", not musical leg...
narrow-minded parlour
  04/23/18
this is pretty cr. look what became of johnny rotten post se...
stubborn vivacious laser beams center
  04/23/18
Actually Public Image Ltd was a great band who made some rea...
narrow-minded parlour
  04/23/18
Cr
slimy mental disorder
  04/23/18
Rotten had Public Image Ltd which was far superior to the Se...
Excitant bawdyhouse round eye
  04/23/18
Public Image Ltd is pretty cr, faggit.
Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus
  04/23/18
listen guys i never heard this public image or whatever band...
stubborn vivacious laser beams center
  04/23/18
I'd say that he didn't have nearly as much fame with PiL as ...
slimy mental disorder
  04/23/18
...
Startled Swashbuckling Jap
  04/24/18
Cobain easily, give nirvana two more albums and he's not the...
nubile half-breed
  04/23/18
Cobain had future potential. He was actually talking about ...
Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus
  04/23/18
...
narrow-minded parlour
  04/23/18
Sure, sure. It would have sucked
nubile half-breed
  04/23/18
lol
stubborn vivacious laser beams center
  04/23/18
What about Bob Marley? He's revered as almost a religious, ...
narrow-minded parlour
  04/23/18
Naw. He died at 36 from natural causes. I think his popula...
Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus
  04/23/18
speaking of him, that's kind of what happened to robert john...
Blathering Cyan Theater
  04/23/18
Nah, reefer Bob was legit
ocher tanning salon filthpig
  04/23/18
Scott Weiland
bearded contagious native boiling water
  04/23/18
The Scott Weiland story is what would have happened to Kurt ...
slimy mental disorder
  04/23/18
cr. scott weiland would be held in far higher esteem had he...
shaky free-loading box office
  04/24/18
The guy who sang la bamba
heady ruby becky dysfunction
  04/24/18
Richie Valens, already mentioned.
Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus
  04/24/18
Isaac Brock
Startled Swashbuckling Jap
  04/24/18
morrison is prolly most cr but Elliott Smith is pretty clos...
indecent smoky library
  04/24/18
My moniker is partly an homage to E. Smith but I don't reall...
slimy mental disorder
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: flushed trip menage

Intuitively I feel like Cobain is the right answer here, but what about people like Buddy Holly, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Notorious B.I.G., etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902653)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: Grizzly submissive circlehead

Cobain for sure

I don't know enough about Jim Morrison, but the Doors had like 9 studio albums plus multiple live albums. If he lived, he would just be another boomer musician who gets fat and dies at like 70

Notorious B.I.G. was helped, but if he were still alive I think he would still be somewhat relevant today, in the way that Jay Z and Snoop Dogg are today (not a ton of big hits anymore, but still around)

I don't know shit about Janis Joplin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902687)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: shaky free-loading box office

i think it's either Joplin or Morrison. both were already in steady decline at time of death and got revived with publicity from death.

jim croce is probably another option. he was planning to quit music and become a screenwriter when his plane crashed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902699)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Copper charismatic nursing home people who are hurt

Jim Croce is still alive as a guitar teacher in Fairborn, Ohio

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902839)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:13 PM
Author: Drunken Heaven Jewess

Elvis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902706)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Hairraiser rehab fanboi

Jimi easily. Had he stayed alive, he would've gone the Miles free jazz route into obscurity rather than remain a perennial rock god.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902720)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: flushed trip menage

Hendrix is a possibility, but his play was so unique and soulful that he would have continued to be revered as a guitar icon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902727)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: arrogant aromatic senate roommate

No way. It's not like Miles Davis's popular music is considered obscure now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902729)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Hairraiser rehab fanboi

it's obscure to most non-musicians, particularly his albums after bitches brew.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902749)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: Grizzly submissive circlehead

I don't know about that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902762)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: shaky free-loading box office

not having a Jimi/Santana Grammys "mashup" in 2003 was probably the saving grace of our (((culture)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904974)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: bearded contagious native boiling water

like prince

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905199)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Blathering Cyan Theater

hank williams has to be up there. he was popular during his lifetime, but his style of "country-western" was actually getting overtaken by pop country near the end of his run. his death turned him into a cultural icon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902737)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: Filthy Mexican Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902760)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus

Wrong. Johnny Cash wasn't pop-country and remained relevant right up to his death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904977)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: Blathering Cyan Theater

lol, don't be silly. songs like "walk the line" and "ring of fire" (his biggest early hits) were much more pop-country than anything hank williams did aside from maybe "hey good lookin'". HW was doing weird, jittery songs like "kaw-liga" or singing plaintively about how he wasn't going to make it out of the world alive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905020)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: slimy mental disorder

Johnny Cash's career was at a point of very high irrelevancy before he linked up with Rick Rubin to do the American albums

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905094)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: comical elite gunner sweet tailpipe

Joplin or cobain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902741)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Disrespectful Step-uncle's House Weed Whacker

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902747)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: Hairraiser rehab fanboi

how was joplin's career helped by her death? she sucked before she died and didn't really get any more popular or revered posthumously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902758)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: shaky free-loading box office

lol no, she's idolized by ugly fat boomers who love ugly fat singers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904978)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: flushed trip menage

btw, the musicians i listed are just some suggestions. certainly not meant to be exhaustive.

Buddy Holly certainly gets a lot of cache from dying in that plane crash. who knows if he'd have ever made it really big

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902789)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: comical elite gunner sweet tailpipe

I always forget buddy holly even existed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902807)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: Excitant bawdyhouse round eye

the Big Bopper was supposed to be on that plane. You're probably thinking "who the fuck is the Big Bopper". Exactly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905021)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:54 PM
Author: Blathering Cyan Theater

holly was wildly-popular when he was alive and had a massive #1 hit in 1957 with "That'll Be the Day." richie valens is probably a better example of someone who became a lot more popular as a result of that crash, and then again after that 80's biopic came out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905035)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: mildly autistic talented messiness haunted graveyard

Buddy Holly was cr and on his way to being huge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905096)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 6:11 AM
Author: motley citrine roast beef

Buddy Holly is an interesting choice - he released a stunning number of classic songs in an extraordinarily short period of time - like 18 months. There's no way he could've kept up anything like that pace.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906923)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: useless sexy institution

Morrison.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902763)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: Alcoholic Cracking Abode

Joplin wouldn't be anywhere close to as famous if not for her death. Her most well-known album, with pretty much the only songs people know from her, was released posthumously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902783)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: comical elite gunner sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902803)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: Kink-friendly glittery dog poop hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905080)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: comical elite gunner sweet tailpipe

Sublime is another example of an early death drastically increasing their popularity. Not on the same level as some others, but certainly worth mentioning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902816)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:26 PM
Author: flushed trip menage

that's probably true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902828)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:28 PM
Author: Grizzly submissive circlehead

I heard an obscure sublime song last weekend that I had never heard before (not one of the usual ones you hear on the radio). it was awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902844)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus

Sublime are HUGE among the appropriate age group.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904987)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: judgmental church

Morrison. He was on his way to becoming a has-been fat boomer when he died.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902875)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: stimulating son of senegal

Jim Morrison, easily. He was already in a steep decline.

Could maybe argue Ian Curtis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904948)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:44 PM
Author: Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus

Buddy Holly had a lot of future potential. Richie Valens and the Big Bopper OTOH are only remembered for dying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904958)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: stubborn vivacious laser beams center

janis joplin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904983)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:47 PM
Author: narrow-minded parlour

Sid Vicious, because he was a shitty "musician" and an utter retard who wouldn't have been able to go onto anything else and basically did nothing else but die. Instead he became an icon, on t-shirts, had movies made about him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904991)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:56 PM
Author: Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus

I don't think he has a musical legacy though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905041)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:57 PM
Author: narrow-minded parlour

well, OP said "musician's legacy", not musical legacy in particular

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905049)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:01 PM
Author: stubborn vivacious laser beams center

this is pretty cr. look what became of johnny rotten post sex pistols. just a bloated rat faced brit with nothing interesting to say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905070)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: narrow-minded parlour

Actually Public Image Ltd was a great band who made some really good albums in the 80s. And Rotten was a clever guy. But Sid Vicious was a literal retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905073)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: slimy mental disorder

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905078)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: Excitant bawdyhouse round eye

Rotten had Public Image Ltd which was far superior to the Sex Pistols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905074)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus

Public Image Ltd is pretty cr, faggit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905075)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: stubborn vivacious laser beams center

listen guys i never heard this public image or whatever band so i stand by my post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905098)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:27 PM
Author: slimy mental disorder

I'd say that he didn't have nearly as much fame with PiL as he did with the Sex Pistols

But they still put out some good music

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905286)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: Startled Swashbuckling Jap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906078)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: nubile half-breed

Cobain easily, give nirvana two more albums and he's not the "voice of a generation" they're just another grunge band

Morrison was basically done already when he died and Hendrix would have done at least a couple more cool things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905081)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:05 PM
Author: Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus

Cobain had future potential. He was actually talking about moving on from grunge before he offed himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905088)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: narrow-minded parlour



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905091)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: nubile half-breed

Sure, sure. It would have sucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905111)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: stubborn vivacious laser beams center

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905206)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: narrow-minded parlour

What about Bob Marley? He's revered as almost a religious, mystical figure thanks to his early death. Would he have turned into a boring old GC faggot later in life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905102)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus

Naw. He died at 36 from natural causes. I think his popularity is based on a solid catalog of hits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905151)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:21 PM
Author: Blathering Cyan Theater

speaking of him, that's kind of what happened to robert johnson. going from a regional celebrity to some kind of "blues saint," in large part because he died young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905224)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:34 PM
Author: ocher tanning salon filthpig

Nah, reefer Bob was legit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905840)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: bearded contagious native boiling water

Scott Weiland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905202)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:29 PM
Author: slimy mental disorder

The Scott Weiland story is what would have happened to Kurt Cobain had he lived that long

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905295)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: shaky free-loading box office

cr. scott weiland would be held in far higher esteem had he not turned into an insufferable junkie twink

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906073)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:08 AM
Author: heady ruby becky dysfunction

The guy who sang la bamba

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906044)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:10 AM
Author: Bonkers domesticated windowlicker locus

Richie Valens, already mentioned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906053)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:15 AM
Author: Startled Swashbuckling Jap

Isaac Brock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906079)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:03 AM
Author: indecent smoky library

morrison is prolly most cr

but Elliott Smith is pretty close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906676)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:20 AM
Author: slimy mental disorder

My moniker is partly an homage to E. Smith but I don't really agree with him being a candidate for this thread. He hit a certain level of popularity in the early 2000s and just kinda maintained it. Didn't really increase it much posthumously IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906736)