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Biglaw is an extremely cushy and easy job - 10-6:30pm, great pay, high job secur
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:49 AM Author: Bateful Pearl School Chad It probably sucks if you work at S&C but it is a great job for the majority of Biglaw corporate people.
Pros- -Hours aren't bad. 10-6:30 or 7 with 5-10 weeks absolutely fucked each year. Leave at 4-5 most Fridays. The hours vary and are not entirely predictable but aren't terrible. - Great pay. Start at 180 and can coast up to 250. - Easy work. At times tedious but it's easy. At least for the first 5 years. - Good benefits. Free food, firm parties and other fringe benefits. - Incredible job security. It's hard to get fired at many shops with the bare minimum effort. Can mail it in completely and last a few years. Easy enough to lateral that coasting for 10 years of Biglaw paycheck is very possible.
Negatives- - Unpredictable schedule can hurt familymos. - Often boring work. We aren't athletes or CEOs. But most jobs on this world are boring. - Sometimes work with difficult personalities. This varies highly based on firm and group.
Overall, a 175 job for 25-35 year olds. Ljl at litigators though |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: Topaz contagious dragon TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914099) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:36 PM Author: Razzle useless orchestra pit bbw When I was in Biglaw, that's about what I actually worked.
I was in the office from 9-9, but only worked 10-630.
I also pretended to work on the weekends and billed for that. That said, 1/3rd of weekends I had to actually do real work cause real shit popped up. |
Date: April 25th, 2018 12:51 AM Author: Puce resort brb killing self (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914054) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: Concupiscible violent windowlicker personal credit line CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914095) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:53 AM Author: Dark tantric theater the people just coasting like you describe don't even last 5 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914059) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:54 AM Author: Stimulating judgmental pit Not if you're only "secretly" coasting by. You just need to make the appearance of being dedicated, bill (coughpadcough) a lot of hours, and, depending on the practice group, make some rain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914063) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:56 AM Author: Dark tantric theater that works up to year 3 or so, but by years 4 and 5 you become too integral to actual work to just secretly coast. you will need to produce results or you will be gone. the padding thing is probably dependent on whatever partner you're working for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914072) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: Stimulating judgmental pit Eh, what do I know - I'm just a staff attorney. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914088) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:13 AM Author: Bateful Pearl School Chad Producing these results is fairly easy and can be done on autopilot for intelligent people. What is 1 practice group that is actually that difficult by year 4/5? Tax? There aren't many. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914152) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:18 PM Author: Ivory Motley Heaven How do tranny lawyers produce results? Nobody cares about tranny work until some litigator alpha comes through and rips it all up in a few years. By then, the tranny is forgotten. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921447) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 3:15 AM Author: swashbuckling filthpig stage billing a lot of hours and bringing in clients is literally the opposite of coasting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914566) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:31 PM Author: Exhilarant parlour puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35920840) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 6:47 AM Author: fighting salmon factory reset button church just a chill fratty nose-to-the-grindstone type churning out 2100 hours a year. easy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922975) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: Topaz contagious dragon I’ve been at this shit for almost 15 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914066) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: Concupiscible violent windowlicker personal credit line *2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914101) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:10 AM Author: Bateful Pearl School Chad False unless you're talking a V10. In which case you can lateral down and coast just fine.
By coast, I'm referring to someone who shows up everyday and puts their 8 hours in. Pads their 6 billable hrs to 7.5. Produces relatively error free work and is decently responsive.
Yes, if you no show every day, ghost clients/coworkers, or produce shitty work then you won't last long. Even so, you can probably last 3 firms and 5 years like this. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:17 AM Author: Topaz contagious dragon Try 3 hours to 8 buddy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914164) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:48 AM Author: floppy fiercely-loyal candlestick maker lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915987) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: Arrogant Massive Boistinker OP are you a comedian? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914065) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: sapphire vibrant set what the fuck are you smoking? people don't do biglaw for the quality of life aspect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914092) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:04 AM Author: Diverse azn MODS!!!!
this should be removed before more 20somethings ruin their lives from this. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:19 AM Author: Bateful Pearl School Chad *Important qualifier*
Results will differ if you're a neurotic beta destined to be miserable in any job. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:25 AM Author: Walnut Stubborn Institution I actually agree with this. The difference between what you can get away with at v5 vs v30 is stark.
That said, at the end of your 10-15 year coast, you'll be pretty unemployable. At a certain point the firm will expect you to be a revenue center, especially outside the top tier firms, and a coaster will have trouble doing it. But you would have made a lot of cash by then. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:31 AM Author: Charcoal Overrated Sanctuary Goin house at year 5 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914239) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: Buff excitant locus What I've seen some outside counsel ppl have to put up with to generate business seems horrible. "I'm spearheading this new committee on cryptocurrency and blockchain...." or "I'm starting a new webseries on SEC regulations.."
All of this on top of your daily work must be brutal. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Walnut Stubborn Institution Yeah the key is to not do any of this and wait till they kick you out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915547) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:33 PM Author: Exhilarant parlour puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35920845) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:08 PM Author: Vivacious Alcoholic Becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921369) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 3:10 AM Author: swashbuckling filthpig stage (boomer applying to biglaw firm in 1975) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914558) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: Coral Bipolar Shitlib Nibblets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921112) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 3:16 AM Author: Low-t trip dilemma striped hyena *jolts awake at desk hearing "DO NOT email me over Shabbat ever again!!!"* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914568) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:51 AM Author: Bateful Pearl School Chad ??? Who cares? As mentioned above, if this bothers you you're gonna be miserable at any job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915294) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: Coral Bipolar Shitlib Nibblets This isn't true at all.
I've had various jobs (sales, biglaw, other law) and biglaw people are BY FAR the worst. Also biglaw stress is like a 9 out of 10 whereas the other jobs was a 0-1. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:42 PM Author: Bateful Pearl School Chad You're at a shitty firm brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921210) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:56 AM Author: Provocative Address Old Irish Cottage This is basically true, but doesn't account for the creeping sense of impending dread that will infect you eventually. Derives from the billable hour plus having to work with/for other lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915307) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: Big twinkling uncleanness french chef What job security? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915469) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:33 AM Author: exciting snowy state scourge upon the earth The most CR law job (outside of law professor, which is 180 trillion) is whatever a biglaw firm calls its permanent doc reviewers. Some firms call them "staff attorneys." Some call them "discovery attorneys."
Either way, these guys work very predictable 9-6 hours and get the luxuries of a biglaw office (nice private office, benefits, "prestige" of being a lawyer at a white shoe firm, etc) but do nothing but second level doc review (checking the contract doc review apes' works), work with vendors to coordinate collection, and maybe negotiate some discovery search terms.
Boring? Sure. But it's nearly zero stress, pays probably between $100k and 160k, and you still get to tell people you're an attorney at XYZ firm. Listen to a podcast, click "responsive" or "not responsive" for a few hours, go home. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:35 AM Author: Puce resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915525) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: exciting snowy state scourge upon the earth I would probably quit being a solo to take one of these cushy jobs if I could find it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915550) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Arrogant Massive Boistinker Jfc, what a way to spend life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915551) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:40 AM Author: Cracking Bistre Business Firm Clown yeah but u wake up at age 50 and youve done absolutely nothing with your life, you have no skills, no accomplishments. some people feel a need to accomplish something in their careers and would be miserable in this kind of position (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915560) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:41 AM Author: Walnut Stubborn Institution Accomplishment is flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915574) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:03 AM Author: exciting snowy state scourge upon the earth That was a big impetus for me going solo in the first place. I was depressed at the thought of wasting my life and wanted to build something. Now, having built a firm, I find myself even more stressed and burned out.
Some us just can't be happy. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:08 AM Author: Cracking Bistre Business Firm Clown yeah man i felt like i was wasting my life in biglaw. solo stress is real. grass is always greener i guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915697) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:11 AM Author: exciting snowy state scourge upon the earth I think when I'm just really stressed out the thought of a cushy low stress $150k biglaw doc review job sounds appealing. It would be nice to have my nights and weekends back.
But honestly when you balance it all out, being solo is still probably best. Working for someone else is some real dumb shit. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: Cracking Bistre Business Firm Clown CR but im beginning to realize that the real key is going to be hiring adequate staff including another attorney or two at some point, otherwise ill always be working (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915856) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: Puce resort this is 99% of jobs. at least youre making 3x the average American wage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915687) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: fighting salmon factory reset button church I have a friend who does this. He makes $22/hr and he is the "lead" reviewer or something like that. I don't know where you're pulling $100-160K from (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915950) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: Arousing Base just work 7,000 hours a year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35916030) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: fighting salmon factory reset button church also no OT because doc review is considered the "practice of law" thanks Second Circuit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35916094) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: exciting snowy state scourge upon the earth Sounds like he's a contract attorney. I'm talking about people who get hired to supervise the contract monkeys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35916096) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: Cracking Bistre Business Firm Clown yeah im talking about guys like this. this dood takes 30 days of vacation a year, leaves at 530 every day and prob makes $120 base.
https://www.cov.com/en/professionals/d/benjamin-dresner |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:24 PM Author: Ivory Motley Heaven That guy has to be the son of a big client from dc, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921477) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: Coral Bipolar Shitlib Nibblets CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921119) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:27 AM Author: yapping tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35924096) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: fighting salmon factory reset button church this is objectively true and how 99% of the population would perceive it. The downsides of biglaw are invidious and not concrete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915866) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:35 PM Author: 180 underhanded organic girlfriend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921169) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: heady emerald house halford stop flaming peterman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915877) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Light gay wizard (first year at k&l gates pittsburgh) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35916121) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:24 PM Author: onyx stag film This wasn't true back in the ITE days, but with today's tight labor market, associates have a lot more room to coast. Associate attrition is down across the entire V100, and firms are competing hard to fill certain lateral positions.
The key to coasting is to deliberately choose a less preftigious firm than you could have landed (or to lateral down). Your TTT but Cravath-matching firm will be happy just to have you, and you'll be smarter than most other associates (and many partners), allowing you to hand in similar quality work product with less effort. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: Concupiscible violent windowlicker personal credit line This flame makes me feel so warm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35920818) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:38 PM Author: heady emerald house halford *poaster laterals to a lower v50, is a better associate than the other associates on the floor
*staffed on every deal ever |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:47 PM Author: Walnut Stubborn Institution thats not how it works (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922105) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:01 PM Author: Bateful Pearl School Chad Exactly right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921778) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:49 PM Author: Idiotic wine gas station elastic band The credited legal career. But some insane people do the opposite and try to do the WUSTL at a V10. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922128) |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 8:01 AM Author: Mischievous Cheese-eating Senate Not flame? This sounds amazing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#36417479) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:36 PM Author: Chartreuse laser beams biglaw is so easy. i dunno why peterman doesn't do it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35920861) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:17 PM Author: Startling peach tattoo trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921068) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: appetizing turquoise step-uncle's house sound barrier A certain “chill” type of cushy job that requires using powerful stimulants to tolerate the work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921177) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:53 PM Author: Navy Laughsome Jap Pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921261) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:05 AM Author: Arousing Base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35923321) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:51 PM Author: racy theater stage sneaky criminal How is this 175? Ask any average ibanker at any level and this sounds like heaven to them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921251) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:05 PM Author: Hideous brethren i don't think you're properly considering the fact that for whatever reason, the people you work with (both your colleagues and opposing counsel) are the most loathsome, bug-like, evil, people imaginable. Imagine people who are HAPPY about working on the weekend. People whose sole goal in life is to make as much money as possible off your back and then cast you aside without a thought. These are not good people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921340) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:23 PM Author: Adventurous Sadistic Hall Biglaw is psychologically demoralizing and dehumanizing in a way you can't understand unless you've lived it.
Not every big lawyer I know is a terrible person but almost every terrible person I know is a big lawyer. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:47 PM Author: Bateful Pearl School Chad You a financemo? I've not had this experience at all. Weekend work is lamented by all (including partners) and opposing counsel is generally alright. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921640) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:25 PM Author: 180 underhanded organic girlfriend Litmo here - I've worked for partners who view weekend work as a status symbol, and if they "have to" do it because of self-inflicted "emergencies," everyone else has to do even more of it.
Opposing counsel is absolutely repugnant 90% of the time. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:39 PM Author: Bateful Pearl School Chad Read the OP.
We all know lit sucks ass. |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 12:04 AM Author: Aromatic sex offender corner this is limited to the NYC firms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922230) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:07 PM Author: Charcoal Overrated Sanctuary Coast as long as they’re willing to pay you,then leave. If you’re alpha, go solo. If you’re beta, find Inhouse, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921361) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:30 PM Author: odious amethyst spot I love it and would do it for free at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921521) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: Big twinkling uncleanness french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922079) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:45 PM Author: Big twinkling uncleanness french chef i love how it's almost impossible to tell which poasts are sincere and which aren't itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922084) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 4:16 AM Author: swashbuckling filthpig stage Pretty easy. Anything positive is flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922851) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 8:02 AM Author: Bateful Pearl School Chad Biglaw- if you do manage to get fired, they give you 3 months severance. That's not normal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35923121) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Puce resort cr its like a free 30-50k? JFC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35924114) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:14 AM Author: rose dashing area brb signing up for law school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35923345) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:55 AM Author: dun razzmatazz meetinghouse (1st year who doesn't realize he's flaming himself) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35924263) |