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Biglaw is an extremely cushy and easy job - 10-6:30pm, great pay, high job secur
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:49 AM Author: rough-skinned pink giraffe public bath It probably sucks if you work at S&C but it is a great job for the majority of Biglaw corporate people.
Pros- -Hours aren't bad. 10-6:30 or 7 with 5-10 weeks absolutely fucked each year. Leave at 4-5 most Fridays. The hours vary and are not entirely predictable but aren't terrible. - Great pay. Start at 180 and can coast up to 250. - Easy work. At times tedious but it's easy. At least for the first 5 years. - Good benefits. Free food, firm parties and other fringe benefits. - Incredible job security. It's hard to get fired at many shops with the bare minimum effort. Can mail it in completely and last a few years. Easy enough to lateral that coasting for 10 years of Biglaw paycheck is very possible.
Negatives- - Unpredictable schedule can hurt familymos. - Often boring work. We aren't athletes or CEOs. But most jobs on this world are boring. - Sometimes work with difficult personalities. This varies highly based on firm and group.
Overall, a 175 job for 25-35 year olds. Ljl at litigators though |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: Vibrant Philosopher-king TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914099) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:36 PM Author: Spectacular puce legal warrant wagecucks When I was in Biglaw, that's about what I actually worked.
I was in the office from 9-9, but only worked 10-630.
I also pretended to work on the weekends and billed for that. That said, 1/3rd of weekends I had to actually do real work cause real shit popped up. |
Date: April 25th, 2018 12:51 AM Author: startled coiffed spot brb killing self (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914054) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: soul-stirring address CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914095) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:53 AM Author: fuchsia glittery parlour boltzmann the people just coasting like you describe don't even last 5 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914059) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:54 AM Author: appetizing unhinged trailer park becky Not if you're only "secretly" coasting by. You just need to make the appearance of being dedicated, bill (coughpadcough) a lot of hours, and, depending on the practice group, make some rain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914063) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:56 AM Author: fuchsia glittery parlour boltzmann that works up to year 3 or so, but by years 4 and 5 you become too integral to actual work to just secretly coast. you will need to produce results or you will be gone. the padding thing is probably dependent on whatever partner you're working for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914072) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: appetizing unhinged trailer park becky Eh, what do I know - I'm just a staff attorney. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914088) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:13 AM Author: rough-skinned pink giraffe public bath Producing these results is fairly easy and can be done on autopilot for intelligent people. What is 1 practice group that is actually that difficult by year 4/5? Tax? There aren't many. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914152) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:18 PM Author: Orchid greedy shitlib How do tranny lawyers produce results? Nobody cares about tranny work until some litigator alpha comes through and rips it all up in a few years. By then, the tranny is forgotten. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921447) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 3:15 AM Author: Titillating drunken base billing a lot of hours and bringing in clients is literally the opposite of coasting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914566) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:31 PM Author: lascivious chrome den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35920840) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 6:47 AM Author: Stimulating Nowag Station just a chill fratty nose-to-the-grindstone type churning out 2100 hours a year. easy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922975) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: Vibrant Philosopher-king I’ve been at this shit for almost 15 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914066) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: soul-stirring address *2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914101) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:10 AM Author: rough-skinned pink giraffe public bath False unless you're talking a V10. In which case you can lateral down and coast just fine.
By coast, I'm referring to someone who shows up everyday and puts their 8 hours in. Pads their 6 billable hrs to 7.5. Produces relatively error free work and is decently responsive.
Yes, if you no show every day, ghost clients/coworkers, or produce shitty work then you won't last long. Even so, you can probably last 3 firms and 5 years like this. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:17 AM Author: Vibrant Philosopher-king Try 3 hours to 8 buddy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914164) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:48 AM Author: Naked electric hospital lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915987) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: Slate Diverse Sound Barrier Theatre OP are you a comedian? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914065) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: comical area mother what the fuck are you smoking? people don't do biglaw for the quality of life aspect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914092) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:04 AM Author: black organic girlfriend MODS!!!!
this should be removed before more 20somethings ruin their lives from this. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:19 AM Author: rough-skinned pink giraffe public bath *Important qualifier*
Results will differ if you're a neurotic beta destined to be miserable in any job. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:25 AM Author: Razzle dysfunction weed whacker I actually agree with this. The difference between what you can get away with at v5 vs v30 is stark.
That said, at the end of your 10-15 year coast, you'll be pretty unemployable. At a certain point the firm will expect you to be a revenue center, especially outside the top tier firms, and a coaster will have trouble doing it. But you would have made a lot of cash by then. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 1:31 AM Author: Wild Nofapping Temple Messiness Goin house at year 5 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914239) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: exhilarant university pistol What I've seen some outside counsel ppl have to put up with to generate business seems horrible. "I'm spearheading this new committee on cryptocurrency and blockchain...." or "I'm starting a new webseries on SEC regulations.."
All of this on top of your daily work must be brutal. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Razzle dysfunction weed whacker Yeah the key is to not do any of this and wait till they kick you out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915547) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:33 PM Author: lascivious chrome den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35920845) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:08 PM Author: beady-eyed sapphire factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921369) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 3:10 AM Author: Titillating drunken base (boomer applying to biglaw firm in 1975) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914558) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: Rose stubborn nursing home water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921112) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 3:16 AM Author: Thriller frisky dilemma haunted graveyard *jolts awake at desk hearing "DO NOT email me over Shabbat ever again!!!"* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35914568) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:51 AM Author: rough-skinned pink giraffe public bath ??? Who cares? As mentioned above, if this bothers you you're gonna be miserable at any job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915294) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: Rose stubborn nursing home water buffalo This isn't true at all.
I've had various jobs (sales, biglaw, other law) and biglaw people are BY FAR the worst. Also biglaw stress is like a 9 out of 10 whereas the other jobs was a 0-1. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:42 PM Author: rough-skinned pink giraffe public bath You're at a shitty firm brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921210) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:56 AM Author: frum milk This is basically true, but doesn't account for the creeping sense of impending dread that will infect you eventually. Derives from the billable hour plus having to work with/for other lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915307) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: Citrine contagious twinkling uncleanness locale What job security? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915469) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:33 AM Author: Exciting jap The most CR law job (outside of law professor, which is 180 trillion) is whatever a biglaw firm calls its permanent doc reviewers. Some firms call them "staff attorneys." Some call them "discovery attorneys."
Either way, these guys work very predictable 9-6 hours and get the luxuries of a biglaw office (nice private office, benefits, "prestige" of being a lawyer at a white shoe firm, etc) but do nothing but second level doc review (checking the contract doc review apes' works), work with vendors to coordinate collection, and maybe negotiate some discovery search terms.
Boring? Sure. But it's nearly zero stress, pays probably between $100k and 160k, and you still get to tell people you're an attorney at XYZ firm. Listen to a podcast, click "responsive" or "not responsive" for a few hours, go home. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:35 AM Author: startled coiffed spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915525) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Exciting jap I would probably quit being a solo to take one of these cushy jobs if I could find it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915550) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Slate Diverse Sound Barrier Theatre Jfc, what a way to spend life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915551) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:40 AM Author: Violet Self-centered Heaven Fat Ankles yeah but u wake up at age 50 and youve done absolutely nothing with your life, you have no skills, no accomplishments. some people feel a need to accomplish something in their careers and would be miserable in this kind of position (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915560) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:41 AM Author: Razzle dysfunction weed whacker Accomplishment is flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915574) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:03 AM Author: Exciting jap That was a big impetus for me going solo in the first place. I was depressed at the thought of wasting my life and wanted to build something. Now, having built a firm, I find myself even more stressed and burned out.
Some us just can't be happy. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:08 AM Author: Violet Self-centered Heaven Fat Ankles yeah man i felt like i was wasting my life in biglaw. solo stress is real. grass is always greener i guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915697) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:11 AM Author: Exciting jap I think when I'm just really stressed out the thought of a cushy low stress $150k biglaw doc review job sounds appealing. It would be nice to have my nights and weekends back.
But honestly when you balance it all out, being solo is still probably best. Working for someone else is some real dumb shit. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: Violet Self-centered Heaven Fat Ankles CR but im beginning to realize that the real key is going to be hiring adequate staff including another attorney or two at some point, otherwise ill always be working (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915856) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: startled coiffed spot this is 99% of jobs. at least youre making 3x the average American wage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915687) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: Stimulating Nowag Station I have a friend who does this. He makes $22/hr and he is the "lead" reviewer or something like that. I don't know where you're pulling $100-160K from (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915950) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: Misanthropic Stain Love Of Her Life just work 7,000 hours a year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35916030) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: Stimulating Nowag Station also no OT because doc review is considered the "practice of law" thanks Second Circuit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35916094) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: Exciting jap Sounds like he's a contract attorney. I'm talking about people who get hired to supervise the contract monkeys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35916096) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: Violet Self-centered Heaven Fat Ankles yeah im talking about guys like this. this dood takes 30 days of vacation a year, leaves at 530 every day and prob makes $120 base.
https://www.cov.com/en/professionals/d/benjamin-dresner |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:24 PM Author: Orchid greedy shitlib That guy has to be the son of a big client from dc, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921477) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: Rose stubborn nursing home water buffalo CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921119) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:27 AM Author: crusty chocolate quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35924096) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: Stimulating Nowag Station this is objectively true and how 99% of the population would perceive it. The downsides of biglaw are invidious and not concrete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915866) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:35 PM Author: Spruce school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921169) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Domesticated brilliant police squad stop flaming peterman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35915877) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Pontificating Piazza (first year at k&l gates pittsburgh) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35916121) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:24 PM Author: useless rehab main people This wasn't true back in the ITE days, but with today's tight labor market, associates have a lot more room to coast. Associate attrition is down across the entire V100, and firms are competing hard to fill certain lateral positions.
The key to coasting is to deliberately choose a less preftigious firm than you could have landed (or to lateral down). Your TTT but Cravath-matching firm will be happy just to have you, and you'll be smarter than most other associates (and many partners), allowing you to hand in similar quality work product with less effort. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: soul-stirring address This flame makes me feel so warm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35920818) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:38 PM Author: Domesticated brilliant police squad *poaster laterals to a lower v50, is a better associate than the other associates on the floor
*staffed on every deal ever |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:47 PM Author: Razzle dysfunction weed whacker thats not how it works (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922105) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:01 PM Author: rough-skinned pink giraffe public bath Exactly right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921778) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:49 PM Author: Topaz school gaming laptop The credited legal career. But some insane people do the opposite and try to do the WUSTL at a V10. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922128) |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 8:01 AM Author: balding private investor library Not flame? This sounds amazing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#36417479) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:36 PM Author: Underhanded resort biglaw is so easy. i dunno why peterman doesn't do it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35920861) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:17 PM Author: irate filthy state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921068) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: medicated red old irish cottage azn A certain “chill” type of cushy job that requires using powerful stimulants to tolerate the work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921177) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:53 PM Author: purple fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921261) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:05 AM Author: Misanthropic Stain Love Of Her Life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35923321) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:51 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy henna french chef crackhouse How is this 175? Ask any average ibanker at any level and this sounds like heaven to them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921251) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:05 PM Author: Fishy toilet seat gay wizard i don't think you're properly considering the fact that for whatever reason, the people you work with (both your colleagues and opposing counsel) are the most loathsome, bug-like, evil, people imaginable. Imagine people who are HAPPY about working on the weekend. People whose sole goal in life is to make as much money as possible off your back and then cast you aside without a thought. These are not good people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921340) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:23 PM Author: bat shit crazy national associate Biglaw is psychologically demoralizing and dehumanizing in a way you can't understand unless you've lived it.
Not every big lawyer I know is a terrible person but almost every terrible person I know is a big lawyer. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:47 PM Author: rough-skinned pink giraffe public bath You a financemo? I've not had this experience at all. Weekend work is lamented by all (including partners) and opposing counsel is generally alright. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921640) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:25 PM Author: Spruce school cafeteria Litmo here - I've worked for partners who view weekend work as a status symbol, and if they "have to" do it because of self-inflicted "emergencies," everyone else has to do even more of it.
Opposing counsel is absolutely repugnant 90% of the time. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:39 PM Author: rough-skinned pink giraffe public bath Read the OP.
We all know lit sucks ass. |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 12:04 AM Author: Learning disabled wrinkle menage this is limited to the NYC firms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922230) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:07 PM Author: Wild Nofapping Temple Messiness Coast as long as they’re willing to pay you,then leave. If you’re alpha, go solo. If you’re beta, find Inhouse, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921361) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 10:30 PM Author: Nighttime fortuitous meteor point I love it and would do it for free at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35921521) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: Citrine contagious twinkling uncleanness locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922079) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 11:45 PM Author: Citrine contagious twinkling uncleanness locale i love how it's almost impossible to tell which poasts are sincere and which aren't itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922084) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 4:16 AM Author: Titillating drunken base Pretty easy. Anything positive is flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35922851) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 8:02 AM Author: rough-skinned pink giraffe public bath Biglaw- if you do manage to get fired, they give you 3 months severance. That's not normal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35923121) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 8:49 AM Author: irate filthy state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35923237) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: startled coiffed spot cr its like a free 30-50k? JFC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35924114) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:14 AM Author: aromatic death wish prole brb signing up for law school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35923345) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:55 AM Author: Adulterous international law enforcement agency (1st year who doesn't realize he's flaming himself) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959129&forum_id=2#35924263) |