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The most recent NOVA episode about climate change was absolutely awful.
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:53 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915297) |
Date: April 25th, 2018 8:54 AM Author: hyperventilating brethren kitty cat the scientific community has been inching toward more nuanced takes on change and impact. the shit that reaches the MSM continues to grow more strident. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915299) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 8:58 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915313) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:01 AM Author: hyperventilating brethren kitty cat yeah.
"(2) humans are responsible for increasing sea levels and wacky weather because of anthropogenic increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations."
there's been no "wacky" weather, actually. none. and "increasing sea levels" are at best minuscule and well within normal fluctuations. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:04 AM Author: diverse pungent kitty How about the increasing acidity of the oceans? Not a science masterman nor a shitlib, but I do want to be able to speak to this issue intelligently (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915332) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:13 AM Author: hyperventilating brethren kitty cat that's not one i've drilled down on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915378) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:04 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915334) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:07 AM Author: diverse pungent kitty We shouldn't conflate weather with climate - weather is of course wacky and any idiot who bleats about climate change because of a warm february day or whatever is a retard, full stop. But if global temperatures are increasing, and doing so at a statistically significant rate, that could be an issue.
Again, I want to be able to speak to this issue intelligently because I have family members who are irrationally strident about this. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:10 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915362) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:13 AM Author: Bonkers swashbuckling tanning salon it's not an "issue," it should be celebrated and if possible accelerated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915379) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 4:08 PM Author: Big theater stage tank (guy from Cleveland, Ohio) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35939030) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: hairraiser amber sanctuary keepsake machete (kike from kike) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35939055) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:03 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate You can even accept that CO2 concentrations have some impact on the climate while rejecting the scare scenarios that mean we should “do something” about it. All the catastrophic scenarios are driving by simulation models where the assumptions drive the results. Without those assumptions, you get a negligible effect and no need to “do something”. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915330) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:05 AM Author: diverse pungent kitty elaborate on "assumption driving results" plz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915338) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:07 AM Author: hyperventilating brethren kitty cat sensitivity to CO2; whether the system will have positive or negative feedbacks (will a hotter earth "leak" energy out of our system?); (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915350) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:09 AM Author: diverse pungent kitty So the baked-in assumptions are that climate change is a positive feedback loop that will lead to ever-increasing temperatures and/or more extreme temperatures? And that it's purely driven by CO2 in the atmosphere? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915357) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:13 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate Correct. See also my post below. They basically assume the results they want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915380) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:14 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915384) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:12 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate Essentially, what equations go into the computer gives you the results. If you tweak the equations, you change the results. For one, they only get the big results when the equations have a positive feedback, so they all put this in there. But there is little evidence of a positive feedback in reality, and better evidence of a negative feedback (see Richard Lindzen, prof at MIT). With a negative feedback, the bad results don’t happen. And the economic models (Stern) claiming to prove that it makes economic sense to do something (1) assume the bad physical results from the climate modeling, and then (2) work out the economic results. But they use essentially a zero discount rate, which no economist would normally ever do, and if you use a sensible discount rate the economic results flip too. Change the assumptions, change the results. It’s outrageous fraudlies. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:13 AM Author: diverse pungent kitty ty that is helpful though probably difficult to explain to the average climate-obsessed shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915377) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:14 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate reality is a lot more subtle than hysteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915382) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 6:44 PM Author: yellow party of the first part pistol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#36483478) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:05 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915342) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:12 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate well exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915370) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:09 AM Author: chartreuse rigpig Libs aren't doing shit about it. One transatlantic flight = carbon footprint for the year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915360) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 4:58 PM Author: mentally impaired national security agency plaza To address (1) at least: https://skepticalscience.com/anthrocarbon-brief.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35919363) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: dashing ruddy home giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35939051) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:00 AM Author: chartreuse rigpig Cliff Mass is the only honest lib on climate change, and you can tell based on how much other libs HATE him.
https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/05/06/24054552/why-cliff-mass-is-a-very-dangerous-weatherperson |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:07 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915351) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:12 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus don't you need to call benzo's PO and doxx everyone who visited your website? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915372) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:17 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915401) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:21 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus i've done nothing wrong you unhinged psycho who keeps threatening people's families on xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915425) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:25 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate I saw that post before you blanked it you are completely unhinged |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:26 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus ??
do you ever stop telling lies on xo? |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate caught you you need to be medicated |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:28 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus post proof (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915479) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:29 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate you blanked it but I saw it and you know that I saw it you’re pretty fucked up |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:30 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus so no proof just more lies, got it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915493) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:33 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate you and I both know you’re the big fat liar here you really need to be medicated, you’re really fucked up |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:34 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus i've never lied on xo in my life yet you make up shit and tell deranged lies on xo literally every day that you post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915519) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:35 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate you’re lying right now and you know it, and you know that I know it also, you have shitty moniker reading comprehension |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus lol TSINAH as if you think i've "failed" to comprehend you running an obvious alt
you played right into my hands here |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate you desperately need help (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915542) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:38 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus cool story Kpop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915544) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate lol and now you changed it to something else again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915548) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus ?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915554) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:19 AM Author: dark ratface pervert TSINAH is just way off here. Sorry conturds, it's the truth. it's called science. look it up.
Maybe if you watched NOVA to get educated, you might fucking learn something. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:22 AM Author: chartreuse rigpig "It's the most important issue of our time!"
*eats kael* |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:22 AM Author: dark ratface pervert terribly responsive. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915432) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:23 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915438) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:25 AM Author: dark ratface pervert Sure, sure. I haven't the slightest clue about the scientific method. Sure, sure I don't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915450) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:28 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915481) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:32 AM Author: dark ratface pervert Sure sure I sure don't yep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915501) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:24 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate see some posts in this thread, seriously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915440) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: dark ratface pervert I saw them and I'm dumber for it.
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:41 AM Author: chartreuse rigpig Just curious about what lifestyle changes you've made to confront this scientifically certain doom. Any? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915572) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:58 AM Author: chartreuse rigpig Anything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915661) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: chartreuse rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35939050) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:25 AM Author: diverse pungent kitty Okay but when I hear "the science is settled" my kike bullshit radar immediately goes off because that's not how science works. It's about testing and observation, and predicting the future of something as volatile as climate isn't something that can be "settled" no matter how badly shitlibs want it to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915448) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:26 AM Author: dark ratface pervert The science is settled, bro.
The science is settled that evolution is real bro.
The science is settled that there are atoms at the heart of matter bro. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate most of that “science” is based on computer simulations that would be thrown out in a Daubert challenge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915466) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:29 AM Author: dark ratface pervert Believe whatever you want. Yawn. It's wrong though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915487) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:32 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate if you’re interested in exploring a few things, go google and read some stuff by people like Lindzen (prof of atmospheric sciences at MIT and Harvard) and William Happer (physics prof at Princeton). Serious dudes. Might be a bit unsettling to your convictions, but reality is a lot more complex than the shitlib propaganda would have you believe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915505) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:28 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915478) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:29 AM Author: diverse pungent kitty can you not see how evolution is a completely different animal from anthropomorphic climate change? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915484) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:30 AM Author: dark ratface pervert of course it is. it's still called a theory, though, isn't it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915495) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:32 AM Author: diverse pungent kitty Yes, now would you say the effects of CO2 on the atmosphere rise to the same level as the theory of evolution? Or would you say it's more of a hypothesis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915502) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:32 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915503) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:34 AM Author: dark ratface pervert And let me be clear. I'm not going down a rabbit hole of retarditry w you morons poasting crap and saying "look at this respond to this" all day.
Bottom line is your not fucking meteorologists and climate scientists. I'll believe the experts. This is how we live in the modern world. |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915531) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Underhanded grizzly senate I’ve given you the names of a couple of experts that are much bigger hitters and better credentialed than most of the people in the climate change industry. Go take a look at them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915539) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: unhinged field (guy dressed in a "mother earth" halloween costume) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915532) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:38 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915543) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915468) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:29 AM Author: dark ratface pervert yes yes kike jewish science Princeton is full of jews etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915492) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:34 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915514) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:35 AM Author: dark ratface pervert yeah "fake science" okay got it. Like "fake news". Cute. It's cute. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915526) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915536) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus you have a lot of experience attending ivy league schools and studying science there, TSINAH? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915530) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915584) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:58 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus graduate with a degree from that "ivy" did you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915657) |
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:59 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915667) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 12:27 AM Author: Elite juggernaut potus Lol no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35922331) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 7:05 AM Author: dark ratface pervert Goddamn it is tsinah lying about his credentials on this subject? Do denier faggots ever stop lying? Jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923008) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 7:13 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923025) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 7:17 AM Author: dark ratface pervert So you graduated w a degree from an ivy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923034) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 7:19 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923038) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 8:11 AM Author: dark ratface pervert So a diff degree from. An ivy then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923131) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:01 AM Author: dark ratface pervert Just seeking confirmation as you seem to be evading the answer:
Is this truthful or not?
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
I don't. I studied science at a non-Ivy. I studied science politics at an ivy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915584)
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:58 AM
Author: ...,.;.,;;..,.,;;,,.,;.,.,,.,;,,;.,.,,,
graduate with a degree from that "ivy" did you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915657)
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Date: April 25th, 2018 9:59 AM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
I did.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915667)
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:10 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923331) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:18 AM Author: dark ratface pervert so, yes? You graduated w a degree from an ivy? That's all I'm looking for. I dot want to get caught up in word games here. The answer to my question: did you graduate w a degree from an IVY is yes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923367) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:21 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923384) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:25 AM Author: dark ratface pervert Fair enough. Gotya.
Tell me why quotemo above seems to suggest otherwise? Is it just typical xoxo nonsense and he's full of shit when he says "lol no"? |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:28 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923427) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:29 AM Author: dark ratface pervert that's bullshit man. Big deal. I didn't attend my graduation for a graduate degree. You still graduated. Duh.
Why did he put "ivy" in quotation marks? If its ivy, for purposes of this inquiry, it's ivy. I'm not interested in bullshit gradations. And something tells me you didn't attend Brown. |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:33 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923458) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: dark ratface pervert Wait what? You spent four years in undergrad and had a lot more ground to cover in undergrad. grad school is just finishing. Anywhere you go this is the case.
And why is ANOTHER PUMO below also saying you didn't go to an IVY?
I mean, two pumos, both poasting w confidence, and your thing about not attending graduation and that's why they are saying that doesn't make sense.
Why is this other Pumo saying this? |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:30 AM Author: Flesh Institution Sweet Tailpipe he did not graduate from an ivy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923444) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:12 AM Author: dark ratface pervert but he said he did. Twice. Surely he's not lying? if he were lying that would undermine his whole thread about climate change.
How do you know he didn't? Granted, he seems sort of dumb for IVY, but hey, anything is possible and you cant stay sharp forever.
How do you know he didn't? |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: dark ratface pervert How do you know this--how do I know you are not bullshitting me?
Why would TSINAH lie about going to an Ivy in a thread where he denies the legitimacy of the scientific consensus on climate change and cites to people who play word games over carbon dioxide as a poison (omitting that its the RATE of increase that's the issue, not the "toxicity" of carbon dioxide per se, which is just dishonest) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 4:23 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy cruise ship affirmative action ITT: literal poli sci shitheads pretend to be science mastermen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35922853) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 7:09 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923017) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 7:13 AM Author: dark ratface pervert Holy shit yr done here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923023) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 7:14 AM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923026) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:23 AM Author: Bateful parlour psychic don't sign your posts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35923395) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: Elite juggernaut potus Date: April 25th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: ...,.;.,;;..,.,;;,,.,;.,.,,.,;,,;.,.,,,
you have a lot of experience attending ivy league schools and studying science there, TSINAH?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35915530)
TSINAH screaming "political science is a KIND of science!!!" |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: beady-eyed kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35939068) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 5:07 PM Author: Wine market And now he is retired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3959292&forum_id=2#35961072) |