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Why don't more guys just use escorts/hookers/massage parlors?
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Date: April 30th, 2018 5:30 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground I know guys who waste a ton of time trying to bang chicks the old fashioned way, but wouldn't it make more sense to just pay $175 and get what you want? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953158) |
Date: April 30th, 2018 5:34 PM Author: carmine gas station ?
Tons of guys do this. |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: Magical translucent gay wizard 1C8R0 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953188) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 5:39 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground Seems like most guys are spending a lot of time trying to get chicks the standard way. However, I'm not sure why unless you're looking for a serious relationship....for sex, just call up a scort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953207) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 5:42 PM Author: garnet beady-eyed reading party native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953222) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 5:54 PM Author: cerebral center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953294) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:15 PM Author: garnet beady-eyed reading party native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953417) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 7:27 PM Author: Magical translucent gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35954037) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 5:55 PM Author: lascivious chestnut keepsake machete 60% of my waking hours are spent thinking of ways to make money that I can hide from my wife to spend on erotic massages (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953301) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 5:57 PM Author: Onyx exhilarant shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953309) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:02 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha lol
are you an NYC bro? |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 5:56 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha I'm not an escort guy, but sometimes I do wish massage parlors were legal here. Would be relaxing on a random Thursday afternoon to grab a massage and HJ and then some beers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953303) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 5:57 PM Author: lascivious chestnut keepsake machete It's 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953307) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:02 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha Yeah I've been a few times a while ago while outside the US. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't a worthwhile use of a little extra cash. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953328) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:08 PM Author: Onyx exhilarant shitlib Massage is the way to go, imo. If you can find a cute independent girl who runs her own little office, those tend to be the best. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953369) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha agreed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953407) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:15 PM Author: Exciting Mad Cow Disease how do you find them now that Sessions went full faggot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953422) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 7:30 PM Author: Onyx exhilarant shitlib Eros or Switter, but mostly via word of mouth from girls you've already seen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35954067) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 5:57 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground It's not illegal if there's no discussion of money for sex. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953308) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:15 PM Author: insanely creepy mahogany business firm turdskin you in NYC? koreatown, breh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955752) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad what they want is to be desired
not simply the act of sex
even if they, or you, would claim otherwise
paying gets a kind of job done, just not THE job |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:16 PM Author: arrogant flatulent hospital son of senegal not so much "being desired" as conquering there's no conquering element when it's a purely financial transaction fucking new pussy for free feels like an actual accomplishment |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:19 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad and you've accomplished being desired if someone is fucking you for free
if the girl laid there and was like "cool bro when are we done I'm just using you until next dewd comes around" that would be one tenth of the experience if the chick was like "yes yes yes just what the doc ordered!" |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:17 PM Author: carmine gas station No, this is women, not men.
Men like relationships too but they're different itches. |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:25 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha Women don't really understand how men view sex.
We view it as almost a daily need, like eating or working out or shitting or whatever. |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:26 PM Author: carmine gas station Exactly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955389) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:30 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad perhaps I just view men on the whole as lower T and less sexed than in constant pursuit of this daily need you're pointing to - not because of the inability to get sex, but because of the desire to have a specific kind of sex and not willing to work for anything less than that specific kind
specific being unpaid, consensual (yes, I used that word), desirous |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:37 PM Author: carmine gas station Cute but inaccurate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955481) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:42 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad I'm not going for being right
just exploring the idea
modern men live within a pretty elaborate framework of expectations - if the need for sex is so high, I just wonder how a lot of men are functioning - I view most men as likely to be unsexed or at least massively undersexed
masturbation is a copout - unless escorts and prostitutes are just expensive jacking off |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:46 PM Author: carmine gas station Escorts and prostitutes really are essentially expensive but much better jacking off. Jacking off still leaves a guy undersexed. Fucking a whore doesn't. Simple as that.
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:50 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad under what circumstance - or drought of sex - could you imagine yourself visiting an escort/prostitute (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955581) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:00 PM Author: carmine gas station If I were single and wanted sex and had access to prostitutes I had interest in for prices I thought were reasonable and it was better than my other options I'm sure I'd just do it. See below, it is just cost vs benefit analysis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955666) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:41 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha I don't quite get the point you're making, so let me see if I can rephrase it.
Are you saying that your understanding is not that men just want sex period, but that they want sex with some baseline of characteristics? I'd agree, but I'm not sure how that's different from food. It's not like a hungry guy will buy baby food to eat.
But the universe of what guys will take in terms of sex is much broader than what women will take.
So yes I enjoyed fucking my 4.5 fuckbuddy 10 years ago because she had a high drive, really desired me, and would do pretty much anything.
And while I'd PREFER an attractive girl who desired me organically (and would thus want to have sex with her every day), it's hard to have that, especially one with a high drive, and so men will take a lot less |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:43 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad I'm just saying men would have sex every day at all costs if it was simply a daily need (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955524) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:57 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha meh, you know what i mean (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955649) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:58 PM Author: carmine gas station It is just like with food. Just because you want food doesn't mean you eat all the time. You eat, you're not hungry, then there's a cost/benefit to when you eat, right? The cost and benefit depends on the situation. For example, if I were one of the 20-something year old virgins here I can't imagine not just getting an escort. It would be like not eating for a week and seeing Burger King and being like "nah, not good enough, I demand Morton's". Now, if you're a normal American guy who got laid last night, you're probably not getting an escort tonight because the benefit won't justify the cost. If you're a rich guy in E. Europe or whatever, then you get whores whenever you want because the cost is so low. etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955654) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:04 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad men also pay the ultimate costs in order to have the benefit of being desired by women
I don't disagree with the way you're setting this analysis up, but somewhere in the calculation, wanting to be desired plays a part in the weighing and delays in gratification
NOT a man but I love men and perhaps have a more generous view of this - no one asked for it, but I'm sharing it! sorrrrryyy.
even if you're a 20-something virgin, you still wouldn't pay for lots of sex - you'd likely have it sparingly due to the shitty feelings that would come from having paid sex. and if you have a lot of it, I assume it does permanent damage on the mind (if it's not already so). |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:10 PM Author: carmine gas station I'm not mad you're conjecturing about men. That's fine - we do it with women all the time (as you correctly pointed out). Just noting that you're not exactly on point here.
I think the cost-benefit to getting a woman organically is just a different equation. Obviously, that has value too. Otherwise, rich men would never get married. It would be much cheaper to just fuck escorts and never worry about losing huge sums of money in divorces. Yet, that isn't what men do. Of course, there's also a social benefit too that needs to be factored in (which explains why you also have married rich men that keep a wife and then fuck escorts on the side).
Anyway, the point I'm getting to is that it is all a cost-benefit analysis and the benefits aren't really the same. For escorts it is just a hot girl who you can cum in. As you say, basically significantly improved masturbation at a monetary cost.
"even if you're a 20-something virgin, you still wouldn't pay for lots of sex - you'd likely have it sparingly due to the shitty feelings that would come from having paid sex"
No, I don't think I'd have any shitty feelings that would come from it. Why would I? The primary impediment to doing it all the time would be lack of money. If I had the cash and no good alternatives then sure, I'd do it all the time. |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:13 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad I typically run away by now, so thank you for sticking with me
the way you're approaching this makes a huge assumption about men in general and is only applied to access
what about libido |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:48 PM Author: carmine gas station I enjoy these understanding humanity discussions.
So access relates to the cost. Libido is the benefit. Just like the benefit of eating declines when you've eaten more recently. Some people have greater metabolism and need to eat more frequently, some less. It really is a great analogy. |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:18 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha I definitely prefer being desired by a chick, but mostly because she's really into the sex and the sex ends up being better. and also because when a chick is really into a guy she'll do anything sexually.
but in some respects that's why a guy will sleep with a mediocre 4.5 as opposed to working much harder for an 8 -- the 4.5 takes less effort AND usually ends up being better in bed because of the desire. |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:23 PM Author: insanely creepy mahogany business firm turdskin cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955805) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:25 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad being really desired is 180
would any part of you distrust an 8 who desired you at the level of a 4.5
not suggesting you aren't an 8 or above yourself
but it would be kind of monumental to get a chick who was both super hot and super into you (and worked for it) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:31 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha nah i wouldn't distrust an 8 who desired me at the level of a 4.5, and that's certainly the goal.
ime the real issue is desire over time. when there is an imbalance in attractiveness between partners, and especially when the chick is the less attractive one, she tends to desire the man more consistently as time goes on. |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:33 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad what percent of men you are close with are in a long-term relationship with someone you consider at least a couple points less attractive than they are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955901) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:42 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha Where the woman is more than 1 point less attractive?
Off the top of my head only one guy, and he's not that financially successful and is a bit of a beta.
I presume you have the same experience, but in UMC circles I think we both find that the couple is usually equally matched in terms of attractiveness or the chick is 1 MAYBE 2 points higher. |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:43 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad interesting
how did things end with your 4.5 fuck buddy |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:47 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha We just stopped. I'm still friendly with her and we chat from time to time. She's very nice, but neither of us has any interest in each other. She's very fun and has a really outgoing, warm personality so it's not like she's wanting for guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35956082) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha nm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35956053) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:48 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad saw your edit - yes, I agree about the attractiveness of women v men & points in a relationship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35956093) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:35 AM Author: lemon 180 casino Great subthread. I think the reason you're overvaluing the "desired" aspect of the free sex (which is understandable because you're a chick), is you're viewing it as a necessary condition like chicks tend to, when for guys it's not even a sufficient condition. For chicks being desired is usually critical, along with feeling like the person doing the desiring is worthy of the privilege of viewing you in that way, and without both of those aspects it's harder to be in the mood (i.e. wet). So you're actually not excited for the physical sensation if you're not feeling "sexy" i.e. attractive and happy to have the person you're about to fuck noticing.
For guys it's more like getting access is goal and when a girl desires you that makes you feel good and strokes your ego like an earnest and somewhat vulnerable complement does, but it also means easier and regular access. And the equivalent of being wet is merely "will I get hard once I have access?" which is a calculation a guy has already made when everyone still had their clothes on and they first met. In other words, girls hold the guy responsible for how a guy makes them feel in order to allow access. A guy just listens to his dick. He and his dick assume responsibility for determining if his dick will work a priori, and if he decides it will and then it's time to fuck and he can't perform, then a guy typically feels ashamed and responsible and betrayed by his dick.
So it's a simple BATNA calculation for a lot of guys and every guy has a number that is his "dick works" threshold--roughly a subjective 5, sometimes a little less or more, and only the truly high T will get down to below 3. If you have access to a 6 it's not a thought in your head that you would assume the criminal/physical violence and health risks and pay the cost to fuck a prostitute. But if all you have access to is 1.5s or worse, and they're still female humans, that means you won't just walk up and say "let's fuck" and have much success, whether or not money is changing hands. As a guy, you still have to go through the motions of seduction and listening to her complaints about her friends and job or whatever and the whole time you dick is saying to you "What are you doing? I'm not on board with this. Get out. Abort. Find a chick I can work with." |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:03 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad both men and women want to feel desired, I agree that women may need it more
you are correct to distinguish between the types of desire and how desire functions, because that's certainly true from what I have read - I've read a couple of books on the subject, The Heart of Desire (Resnick - female author) and Intimacy & Desire (Schnarch - male author)
I didn't go into that above because I wasn't even getting a pass on the fact that desire is a factor, so what was the point of pushing it even further |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:29 PM Author: lemon 180 casino Sure. But my whole point is that “desire” in the male context can be a mere binary realization of “I’m in” which is unknown until the precise moment that actual sexual activity starts. It’s so much more base and animalistic than the female context where it all centers around judgments about the guy’s courtship skills, feelings provoked and mate selection value. There is basically no “minimum acceptable flirting skills” that guys have like many girls would, albeit on a sliding scale that corresponds with higher mate selection value, and usually also prospects as a long term partner. For guys it’s two binaries: hot enough y/n and access y/n and they aren’t being assessed contemporaneously in order for the act to be enjoyable. A guy trying for access has already determined he’s going to enjoy fucking and if he abandons it’s because the perceived effort to gain access is not judged to be worth the expected enjoyment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958657) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:21 AM Author: Umber Irradiated Scourge Upon The Earth No, we understand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957675) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:03 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad ty gf sup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958459) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:45 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground If you're a female, you can't really answer this...you're literally just guessing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955537) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:47 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad do you point that out to men who poast about women shit as if they are experts
I'm providing a positive reframe here
isn't there a chance that sex with a person, not sex with oneself, is not only a physical release but also an emotional one
it's kind of unfair to men to remove desire from the equation
it likely hurts those men who aren't on autopilot all the time just for the fuck |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:49 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground You're not a guy so anything you say about this is a literal guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955574) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:19 AM Author: Umber Irradiated Scourge Upon The Earth As she said, this board is full of guys posting their "guesses" about women. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957669) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:03 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958462) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:45 PM Author: carmine gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958790) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:45 PM Author: lake brethren I agree with this and I used escorts heavily. The biggest rush was "seducing" an escort and seeing her without paying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955542) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:52 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad I hope your clout as a poaster doesn't diminish for agreeing with a lowly, hollow-brained female poaster
how many times did you see her before she agreed to meet up without payment |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:56 PM Author: lake brethren There have been a few. "Fastest" was twice. And the free meetings weren't like "come fuck me for an hour but I won't pay," but regular dating with sex interspersed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955644) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:05 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad would you ever marry a girl who had been an escort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955697) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:21 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground LOL
Yea bro, just do marry a chick who had 80 dicks inside her... |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:22 PM Author: insanely creepy mahogany business firm turdskin but enough about college graduates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955792) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:27 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955845) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:23 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad who knows
a fair number of dudes who fuck escorts have a savior complex I imagine |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:22 PM Author: lake brethren Yes, not a lot of these girls have it together though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955800) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:27 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad what was the highest level of education acquired by any escort you visited (or you were visited by) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955837) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:27 PM Author: lake brethren non-TTT JD haha
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:29 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad she should poast here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955862) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:09 PM Author: Onyx exhilarant shitlib engineering ph.d. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958512) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:09 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad body & brains? sounds like a winner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958514) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:17 PM Author: insanely creepy mahogany business firm turdskin here is the thing that's related to this.
strippers who bang customers generally are picky. if you ask "outcall?" and they give you the digits, they are doing 2 things. 1) engaging in a business transaction and 2) saying "you're bangable".
that's enough in most cases. |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:22 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad what percent of guys in strip clubs are given digits, would you say (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955796) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:24 PM Author: insanely creepy mahogany business firm turdskin i'm 100% guessing here. asking for digits is different than "outcall?"...digits without a referent to money is near 0. reference to money? 20%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955822) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:29 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad how do you know if a stripper is flirting with you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955856) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Spectacular coffee pot psychic you're a nice person but you have demonstrated on XO many times that you have kind of a childish, naive view of male psychology and sexuality. recall your 'creepy' debacle.
the huge, vast, overriding majority of cisgender heteronormative men really don't care about being the object of desire. getting laid is getting laid. is it nice if women are into you? hell yes, but primarily as a means to an end. i can't think of a single psychologically normal guy i have ever known that seemed to prize this to any extent.
women learn from an early age that their self-esteem should revolve around male attention. men just don't have the same social conditioning. |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:15 PM Author: garnet beady-eyed reading party native lol like some random tinder slut is any better
hookers are probably more likely to demand condoms |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:16 PM Author: low-t kitchen lolthis is what it has come to (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953429) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:18 PM Author: garnet beady-eyed reading party native when it comes down to it, I'm going to trust a professional over an amateur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953439) |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: chartreuse mind-boggling crackhouse Entire issue right here. If it was possible to have safe, legal sex without condoms with hookers, everything would change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35992233) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:19 PM Author: brilliant temple if it's just a HJ massage there's basically 0% risk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953449) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:20 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha you don't need to worry about that with bodyrubs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953453) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:38 AM Author: Bateful space you sound like a 5 year old. americans in general are extremely childish wrt STDs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957775) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 6:16 PM Author: Stirring Geriatric Mediation Tank the gov't is doing all it can to prevent this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35953432) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 9:58 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground Explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955161) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:27 PM Author: Stirring Geriatric Mediation Tank they just shut down craigslist/backpages (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955396) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:30 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground That doesn't matter...as long as IG/FB/Snap exist, so will the escorts cause a ton of chicks on those apps are selling ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955419) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:31 PM Author: Stirring Geriatric Mediation Tank yeah, well. what if they *don't* exist? that's kind the point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955428) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 7:29 PM Author: insanely creepy mahogany business firm turdskin we lock people up for all kinds of stupid shit so i don't blame incels for their lot in life. trying to buy pussy--the most basic transaction out there--can ruin you for fucking life.
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:16 PM Author: Violent pozpig waste of money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955308) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:48 PM Author: ruddy mildly autistic ape too transactional. guys like to feel the girl they're with actually wants to have sex with them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955566) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:55 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955636) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:58 PM Author: Jet-lagged Fortuitous Meteor Cr. Zero interest in it personally. Validation is a huge reason to pursue sex. I'm getting the opposite of that if I have to pay for it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955659) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground You can still be validated even if you pay for it. Pretty sure if some really good looking guy goes to see an escort, her behavior towards him will be much different than if some short, balding 55 yr old lawyer goes to see that same escort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955953) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:02 PM Author: carmine gas station Counter-point: there is a massive prostitution market literally everywhere in the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955675) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:19 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha you're basically just advocating for GFE
but yeah, i get this and agree to an extent. that's probably why I prefer bodyrubs, because it's more like a relaxation thing. |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 5:38 PM Author: adulterous chad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35961254) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 10:55 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground I SUMMONS carnadofreiendado. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955627) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:22 PM Author: Coral sinister hall Asking this question evinces a certain kind of autism or social pathology, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35955795) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:43 PM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground Explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35956046) |
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Date: April 30th, 2018 11:54 PM Author: Coral sinister hall If it’s not obvious to you on it’s face, my rationale won’t compute for you and too lazy articulate why I think you sound broken in some fundamental way
Who cares what I think though? Do what makes you happy I guess |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 9:14 AM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground Broken? No...I'm just logical. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957363) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Elite aggressive parlour patrolman too much of a hassle and risk to find attractive prostitutes for too little benefit (fucking a random chick with a plastic bag and no real validation or emotional dimension). if you're tired of fucking your gf or don't have anyone to fuck at the moment, might as well fire up some porn and be done with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957450) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground How is finding attractive escorts hard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957460) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 9:57 AM Author: Elite aggressive parlour patrolman for one, it's illegal. for the average guy unaware of random websites and who doesn't follow pornstars on instagram or whatever, they have no real way of finding them. cruising the streets is not a real option. to those in the know, it's not hard but still requires an element of shady dealing. just like purchasing drugs, it's not hard for the initiated but for your typical law abiding, horny john, it's quite foreign to them.
there's also the constant threat of getting caught up in some sting operation and being one of the unlucky johns who's face gets put on blast after the police raid happened the same day you decided to get your rub and tug.
i think there are plenty of guys who are okay with dropping $100-300 on happy endings and sex but the risk and effort in obtaining it just doesn't pencil out. |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:04 AM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground Eh, it's not hard, man. As long as a guy doesn't directly exchange sex for money, it's unlikely he's going to run into trouble. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957601) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:32 AM Author: sienna stock car dopamine Is it illegal to go to a massage parlor that advertises as legit but for which you know you can get a hj for an extra $40? I would assume if police come in, you stop the hj. So they see you getting a massage in a sketchy establishment. Is that illegal? Serious question here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957735) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2018 12:52 AM Author: Elite aggressive parlour patrolman bro, where are you going where you can get a HJ for an extra $40? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35964047) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:21 AM Author: Umber Irradiated Scourge Upon The Earth CAC is right. Guys enjoy the thrill of the chase and want to feel that the girl is actually attracted to them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957672) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:26 AM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground An escort can be attracted to you as well, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957706) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:33 AM Author: Coral sinister hall lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957738) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:55 AM Author: Elite aggressive parlour patrolman https://youtu.be/bqsTmF2Oicc 🎥 Do you come with the car? The Simpsons - YouTube |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:27 AM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha Of course CAC is right, but saying one prefers A to B doesn't mean one doesn't want B if A isn't available. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957713) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:33 AM Author: sienna stock car dopamine Agree. As was pointed out above, it's the oldest profession for a reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957739) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:42 AM Author: Bateful space i've only used an pro twice. both times it was because they were genetic oddities i would have never approached in a public setting. one was stripper with a humongous all natty bubble butt and the other was a chubby stripper with j or i cups breasts. outside of aforementioned freaks of nature i would not pay for a prostitute. plus i can get some pretty decent looking women (i.e. my rooskie fwb) and finding a comparable pro would be extremely cost prohibitive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957791) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:44 AM Author: insanely creepy mahogany business firm turdskin Basically cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957808) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:44 AM Author: odious lodge I've talked about this before, but there is NOTHING hotter than turning a "normal" girl into a prostitute. That text or phone call where I finally break them down is almost as good as the actual sex. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957809) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:56 AM Author: carmine gas station Explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957884) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:15 PM Author: odious lodge Strike up convos with a random chick, invariably leads to talk about how many bills she has etc etc. and slowly edge toward propositioning her for sex. She'll respond with the typical "I'm not that kind of girl," "let's go on a few dates first," but eventually she'll wear down. Then you get that amazing "so what is it you're trying to do" text. I reply "we can go somewhere private" which is codeword for "I'm taking you to a hotel room to fuck." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958558) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:24 PM Author: insanely creepy mahogany business firm turdskin decadent and depraved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958624) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:27 PM Author: odious lodge I especially like doing this with strippers.
The ones who don't openly sell pussy are SUPER indignant about being propositioned, so when you finally get them to cave it feels like climbing Everest. |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:30 PM Author: carmine gas station Seems significantly more depraved than just fucking an escort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958666) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 2:34 PM Author: odious lodge That's kind of the point. Although I fuck my fair share of escorts too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35959743) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 2:42 PM Author: carmine gas station What next, going to developing countries and turning 13-year-old orphans into prostitutes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35959835) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 2:43 PM Author: odious lodge Pedophilia is disgusting. I have morals man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35959844) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:18 PM Author: carmine gas station Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35960205) |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: drab appetizing wrinkle Good subthread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35992307) |
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Date: May 14th, 2018 10:56 PM Author: submissive party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#36052094) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:44 PM Author: garnet beady-eyed reading party native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958785) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Bateful space cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35957938) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Stirring Geriatric Mediation Tank cr it's also a sick-as-hell 'neg', that they cannot resist. |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 2:44 PM Author: odious lodge ALso, it creates a weird psychological chain reaction. Most girls, to rationalize them fucking for money, will attempt to start a relationship with you to retroactively make their whoring OK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35959872) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 5:27 PM Author: Canary mad-dog skullcap address Springing Executory Relationship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35961189) |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: chartreuse mind-boggling crackhouse 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35992324) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Dark fantasy-prone parlor STDs, and I'll go ahead and say it - due to the transactional nature of it and the fact that I would feel dirty as fuck/immoral actually paying for it, it might affect my ability to get it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35958811) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:09 PM Author: ultramarine heady azn Demonized by both the left and the right in the us. It’s much more common in places where it is legal like germany. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35960123) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:16 PM Author: ultramarine heady azn And i think the women itt are looking at it wrong. Yes guys want to be desired but it doesnt mean they wouldnt pay some money for some easy sex every couple of weeks. If you have the money sometimes spending it is better than trying to put in effort for sex with a broad that probably won’t lead anywhere else
Plus it’s more guilt free than tricking someone you have no interest in outside of sex |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:22 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha Also, the women who will tend to really desire a guy right off the bat tend to be lower-value women. That is part of what CAC and BS are missing.
I can go out and bang a chubby 4 who will be REALLY into me and will do anything I want in bed. And yeah, the sex can be great with those chicks.
But it takes a lot more work as you say to get a better looking chick in bed. If I want, I can plop down $700 for an hour and have an 8.5 in bed banging me no questions asked. |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:33 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad I also think you guys have this weird tendency to believe that because you're men you automatically know all men
like, four of you on the internet are men talking about this
how many times IRL have you been sitting with more than a single dude and talked about desire and the threshold of being undersexed that your friends would have to meet in order to pay for sex
I'm open to the idea that this comes up more than I am imagining
I'd be happy to hear it |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:44 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha I'm having a really hard time understanding what the issue is here, and I'm not saying that to be snarky either, just that I can't follow how we are necessarily in disagreement.
1. Men want sex all the time
2. Men want to have sex with as hot a girl as possible
3. Men want to be desired by the girl having sex with them
4. It's easier to have a less attractive girl desire you as opposed to a more attractive one, especially right off the bat
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Taking those 4 statements as true, men ideally want to fuck a hot girl who desires them, and often
But it's hard to get hot girls to desire you AND fuck you, so often men will trade organic desire for hotness --> hookers
Some hookers also put on a good show re desire, and if you're a good looking guy certainly some hookers will find you attractive and will be into the sex. Why do you think "GFE" escorts are so popular? They make a guy feel desired, usually by a much hotter girl than the guy can normally fuck.
Also, many men are in marriages and other relationships where they have a woman who perhaps desires them but usually at the very least loves them, but the bedroom is dead for whatever reason. In those cases men are looking for sex more than desire or love --> hookers
Finally some men just don't want deal with all the BS of finding a chick and perhaps her becoming clingy or whatever after sex --> hookers
men also sometimes want to have sex with a specific chick. Like, if I want an Asian chick with big fake tits, it's MUCH easier for me to go the hooker route. If I want a threesome, again hookers are way easier. |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:58 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad you make it sound so simple
the OP wanted to know why more men don't hire hookers/escorts/etc.
my thought is that it's because when you pay for sex, you likely don't feel the same kind of desire as if you were able to have sex with a woman who was choosing you for free
the idea that a man can still feel desired while he is with a hooker/escort is sensible - I'm assuming getting into the actual act can feel great
even if you feel desired in the moment and even though the desire may be shallow, it's still enough to render the sex more complete
it doesn't eradicate my idea, which is that whatever percent of men who completely bypass paid sex is likely because they'd rather wait to have sex that makes them feel desired
I need to be done with this thread - you guys must think I'm an idiot lol |
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Date: May 2nd, 2018 1:14 AM Author: Spectacular coffee pot psychic your idea isn't invalid but as it applies to the question in the OP, it's a small portion of guys.
many, many more guys are just too afraid, turned off by the degenerate nature of it, uptight about the woman's promiscuity or gutter nature, tightwads who won't spring for the level of hooker that's worth fucking, and many other reasons.
guys opting out of using hookers because of 'needing to feel desired' in order to have a truly enjoyable sexual experience is a small minority.
sex isn't nearly as psychological for men. like everyone else told you, most men describe their sex drive as more of a functional urge. you're assuming it's the more stereotypically feminine construct where proper psychological context is maybe the most important thing. |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:46 PM Author: carmine gas station A lot of this is cultural. The US is unusually anti-prostitution. In Europe and Asia it is absolutely NBD and guys absolutely just talk about it with other bros.
But even in the US, you just have to check out the actual numbers involved: https://www.havocscope.com/prostitution-revenue-by-country/
So it isn't "just a few guys", it is an over $14 billion/year industry.
That said, of course it isn't everyone for a bunch of reasons (including that this requires significant disposable income). |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:47 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha damn that is a BIG number in Switzerland given the population size (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35960421) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:49 PM Author: carmine gas station Spain is even crazier considering a) the massive economic crisis, and b) the number of unemployed/underemployed young girls.
In other words, either everyone with money is just buying these girls left and right all the time, there's a massive sex tourism market in Spain, or both. |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:50 PM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal alpha yeah wow, and they are almost half the population of germany
i wonder if normal girls in Spain aren't nearly as loose sexually. |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:51 PM Author: carmine gas station My understanding is that they're very loose sexually. They're just desperate financially. Ukraine is like this too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35960460) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:29 PM Author: Up-to-no-good concupiscible police squad what part of me saying that sex just for the sake of sex isn't all of it and that desire is a part of it (and likely why there isn't much more use of escorts/prostitutes, etc.) is me not acknowledging the points you dudes are making, or me looking at it wrong
the inability to see and accept both may just be the thing where I am a woman poasting and I make no sense/you guys hate my guts
but I am pretty sure if twins poasted some shit about wanting to be desired you'd be like 180 180 180 real men want love in the post #metoo era
sex just for sex is definitely predominant - and it's clear that men value it just for the sake of it much more than women do
but I'd argue that wanting to be desired is one of the greater **barriers** men MIGHT (again, I'm just gleaning here) experience when deciding "hmm am I just gonna jack off more for a while until sex that makes me feel desired comes along" or "hmm there are hookers, I have money, time for some hooker sex to just get the sex box checked off"
the idea that in other countries prostitution is legal and therefore it's more common for men to use the services is interesting to me - I just don't know much about it |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:41 PM Author: ultramarine heady azn Sure, and some guys pay extra to recreate the experience of being desired with a prostitute. Everything has a price.
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Date: May 1st, 2018 4:05 PM Author: carmine gas station The other thing to consider is age. When XOers were younger, you didn't see many threads on escorts here. People in college and even law school a) don't have money, and b) are around a bunch of young, attractive girls that they can have sex with. Fast forward 10-15 years and the situation changes. If you want to have sex with some 18-year-old girl you're probably going to be paying for it. Now, fast forward and imagine when men here are going to be in their 40s and 50s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35960574) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 5:23 PM Author: ultramarine heady azn Yeah, the feeling of laying in bed with a 22 year old at 45 is probably better than being desired by some beat middle-aged woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35961163) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 5:24 PM Author: vigorous market You must be unfamiliar with nyuug’s body of work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35961167) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2018 12:58 AM Author: claret area stain As a married mo, I much prefer this to the risk and general guilt of actually cheating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#35964074) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 10:04 AM Author: Purple excitant candlestick maker hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3964464&forum_id=2#36479906) |