If we lose the concept of God humanity is totally fucked
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Date: May 1st, 2018 8:58 PM Author: Titillating Friendly Grandma Patrolman
this is why Islam is going to keep winning
but yeah, keep enjoying IPAs and tinder
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Date: May 1st, 2018 9:16 PM Author: Mint Marvelous Kitchen
There is a non zero probability that materialism is wrong, that brains don't produce consciousness from whole cloth, that minds come from God, and that your epistemology is myopic. Unless you can prove that science can in principle explain everything with a knowable sufficient reason, logical positivism failed and your world view is based on an inductive inference whose hubris is unrivalled in the history of our species.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965683&forum_id=2#35962655)
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:02 PM Author: Trip office
Hmmm. A relevant issue to explore.
We live in a world filled with hate, mental illness, starvation, deprivation, disease, war and horror.
Kids get cancer and die.
I can think of probably 10,000 other things I’d like work on or consider before this issue of “why is there something instead of nothing.” I don’t know why. We may never know why. There may not BE a why. This is a human question and gets at the nature of OUR being and our psychology as human-animal-beings. But really, we have more pressing problems.
If there was nothing, there’d be nothing. But there’s something. What were you before you were born? I guess there was no “you”, although we know how you got here. A sperm & egg met serendipitously and after 9 months of gestation in a womb, you emerged. But before that. Is that non existence? It didn’t bother you then so why should it bother you later? It’s all much ado about nothing.
It’s a very human question and I understand the need or want to ask it. I just don’t think all questions have real “answers” maybe just “best answers” or “pick an answer”. But there are other things I’d rather ponder that need more urgent attention.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965683&forum_id=2#35963033) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:35 PM Author: Trip office
I'm not dismissing it it's just not a level of discourse I think is helping, improving, impacting anything much. It's way, way above my pay grade to begin with. This conversation relative to this questions is going to go on with or without me, and I'm perfectly content to let others debate. I'd rather talk about why Flint doesn't have clean water or how we can fund more cancer research or how to stop nuclear proliferation. I mean, we have extremely heavy shit to deal with other than the nitty gritty stuff of "why are we here". We will never be able to dodge the most fundamental human question, but in the mean time, we do have to exist as humans and live human lives. That's where I think our/my (?) attention is most beneficial.
The whole do scientific and existential questions overlap, or does science simply recouch the questions- of course they overlap. As humans our mission is to understand and seek the truth. But some questions are not in the realm of science. Does science answer "what is a good person?" Of course not, but it does tell us what light is, what causes weather, what causes disease and a lot of other cool things.
It's a mind fuck for sure, but maybe the fact that we don't know is what keeps things interesting, on an existential level anyway. Let's say "god" did set it all up. It would be a shame if it was that easy to figure it all out.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965683&forum_id=2#35963298) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2018 3:01 PM Author: Aromatic abode
I may be a bit out of my depth in this thread, but I wanted to mention anyway that what I understand to be Hegel's "absolute" is the closest description that I have found of my own conception of god.
I'm not well read in philosophy or religion, but I've become more interested in both since I started watching Jordan Peterson's stuff, and a lot of what I've been reading (like Hegel) has unexpectedly revived and resonated with certain ideas in video games and science fiction that fascinated me as a child. For example, there's a scene that I'll never forget from the 90s JRPG Xenogears where the main characters discover a Soylent System that transforms humans into monsters called "Wels" for the purpose of amalgamating them in to a malevolent deity called Deus. This introduced me to the idea that God is not a separate being, but a vision of what we might become. (Those of you not familiar with Xenogears may recognize this idea from "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, which inspired the Xenogears storyline.) Another example is Asimov's "Last Question", which introduced me to the idea that the universe is constantly reconstituted by a God that emerges from it.
The idea that God is not a separate being but the final product of an evolutionary process in which we participate (presumably with free will though that is a separate issue) is a much more exciting proposition that is both practical and not inconsistent with scientific understanding.
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Date: May 2nd, 2018 3:30 PM Author: Aromatic abode
Yes, in the Last Question, humans did not become god in the same way that the Wels physically lumped together to create Deus. But, Multivac was the product of human consciousness, so in that way a part of humanity (the mind, not the body) became/evolved into Multivac.
The question I have is could a "better" Multivac have answered the question? If so, Multivac's response to the Last Question could be interpreted from Multivac's perspective as "I lack the resources to answer this question, but if I create another universe and start the process all over again, maybe a better Multivac or other final being will emerge that can answer the last question."
So, tying that back to God, the whole purpose of religion might be to formulate a vision of the highest Multivac and to provide a roadmap for pursuing it with maximum efficiency. To sin may be to add inefficiency and unnecessary cost to the production of the highest Multivac, which may again leave it with inadequate resources to answer the Last Question and, therefore, lead to another re-roll of the whole process.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965683&forum_id=2#35967641) |
Date: May 1st, 2018 9:49 PM Author: Spectacular anal really tough guy
hey Godmos, i can't say i know what the Transcendental Deduction is. Or much about nietzsche or Kant. But you could read up on them and come away with a sort of belief in God?
Because it seems like you could spend years learning how they thought but in the end any belief in any particular conception of God can be fairly easily dismissed as just as made up as Zeus? Like I assume even these guys can't "reason" themselves into belief in something very particular like a Christian God.
Is there more to it?
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:12 PM Author: Mint Marvelous Kitchen
First pass would be to say that the reason it feels like something to value things and find worth in them - not the valuing itself, but the feeling - is because God gives us that ability. God is the source of worth.
Second pass would be that the substrate in which physical and mental things inhere, what ties it all together into a unitary being, is God. God is the ground of being.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965683&forum_id=2#35963118) |
Date: May 1st, 2018 11:06 PM Author: Trip office
good work, you’re all really smart and jfc im dumb, this was sort of like trying to be 5’8 in the NBA.
If you weren’t a Phil major where did you find the time? But kudos.
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Date: May 5th, 2018 7:58 PM Author: drunken idiot
unlike you, I don’t worship anything
unlike you, I don’t flailingly try to reduce everything to politicth like a cuck when someone disagrees with me on one position
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965683&forum_id=2#35989649)
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