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Seattle residents pushing back against $75 mn tax proposal for homeless services
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Date: May 6th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: sickened meetinghouse *tax on businesses but FUCK LIBS and their sickening support of homeless people at the expense of polite society Skip to content
Project Homeless Log In Subscribe Fury, frustration erupt over Seattle’s proposed head tax for homelessness services
Originally published May 4, 2018 at 6:00 am Updated May 5, 2018 at 12:50 pm Members of Iron Workers Local 86 attend Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant’s news conference at the Amazon Spheres on Thursday to voice their opposition to a proposed head tax. Every time Sawant tried to speak the workers shouted, “No head tax, no head tax!” (Alan Berner/The Seattle Times) Iron Workers Local 86 business manager Chris McClain, front, leads a chant shouting down Councilmember Sawant on Thursday. “To reduce the jobs only increases the possibility of additional homelessness,” says McClain. (Alan Berner/The Seattle Times)
1 of 3 Members of Iron Workers Local 86 attend Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant’s news conference at the Amazon... (Alan Berner/The Seattle Times) More A day after Amazon’s surprise announcement regarding a proposed new business tax for homelessness services, flare-ups of opposition show deep frustration with Seattle’s handling of the crisis.
By Vianna Davila Seattle Times staff reporter Reaction to a proposed Seattle business tax for housing and homeless services jolted elected officials this week as flare-ups of opposition revealed deep frustration with the city’s handling of its homelessness crisis.
If Seattle City Council members were surprised by the reaction — including a raucous town-hall meeting in Ballard and an unexpected protest by construction workers — the response of many residents and business owners seemed to be, what took you so long?
Project Homeless is a Seattle Times initiative that explores the causes of homelessness, explains what the Seattle region is doing about it and spotlights potential solutions. It is funded by the The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Campion Foundation, the Paul G. Allen Family Foundation, Raikes Foundation, Schultz Family Foundation, Seattle Foundation, Seattle Mariners, and Starbucks. Seattle Times editors and reporters operate independently of our funders and maintain editorial control over Project Homeless content.
· Find out more about Project Homeless “They’re hearing the whole story now,” said Erin Goodman, executive director of the Sodo Business Improvement Alliance, which is holding its own town hall on the tax Friday morning. “They have been listening to a very small subset for a long time and have not been listening to their actual constituents.”
Amazon announced Wednesday morning that it was pausing construction of a new downtown tower until the council votes on the $75 million-a-year tax on large companies.
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Hours later, residents shouted down the four council members who sponsored the tax legislation at a 90-minute town hall at Ballard’s Trinity United Methodist Church.
Many residents expressed general empathy for people experiencing homelessness, but lashed out at the city council — especially council member Mike O’Brien, who represents Ballard — for lax financial management and failure to address the consequences of widespread, unauthorized tent camps.
O’Brien declined to comment on the meeting Thursday.
Bruce Miller, a Seattle resident since 1971, said he traditionally supported tax levies, but no longer will. “I feel like city government doesn’t understand and respect taxpayer dollars, and doesn’t take responsibility for them,” said Miller, to applause.
The crowd aggressively heckled the council, the event moderators and the occasional person who spoke in favor of the head tax, drawing rebukes. The crowd erupted in the strongest applause for speakers who demanded more cleanups of the estimated 400 unsanctioned homeless-tent camps citywide.
“Your policies and what we’re doing in this city has unleashed chaos and crime on law-abiding people,” said one speaker.
One city staffer who attended the meeting, but asked not to be named, said the anger and incivility in the room was shocking. Many council members were still reeling from the event a day later.
“That did not feel like Seattle,” the staffer said.
Council member Lisa Herbold said she anticipated fierce public reaction at the meeting. She thinks the council needs to do a better job of connecting the dots between the city’s economic boom and its skyrocketing housing costs.
“We are unable to keep up with the need that is being created by this really hot competition for housing,” she said. Even as more people get housing, more people are becoming homeless, and residents see no change in the problem, she said.
The debate over the tax took another turn Thursday when members of the Iron Workers Local 86 crashed and took over a rally planned by Councilmember Kshama Sawant.
Members of Iron Workers Local 86 yell “no head tax” every time Councilmember Kshama Sawant tries to speak in favor of the proposed business head tax. A Sawant supporter faces off with Roland Bredlau. (Vianna Davila & Alan Berner / The Seattle Times) Sawant’s rally Thursday, in front of the glass Amazon Spheres, was surreal for an elected official known for her ability to get her vocal supporters to turn out at council meetings and take them over. This time, the iron workers drowned out Sawant and easily outnumbered her supporters.
Every time she tried to speak, the workers shouted, “No head tax, no head tax!” Their yells echoed off the nearby Amazon towers, which many of the iron workers had helped to build, as downtown professionals and tourists looked on in confusion. Sawant, a socialist with strong ties to labor, tried to calm them down, referring to them as her “brothers,” but they yelled over her.
“To reduce the jobs only increases the possibility of additional homelessness,” said Chris McClain, business manager for the union chapter, which has about 2,600 members.
When Local 86 member Logan Swan spoke in favor of the head tax, the other iron workers at the rally turned their backs on him.
The current version of the tax, which has not yet passed out of a council committee, is expected to raise $75 million a year from about 600 businesses citywide. Of that, $50 million would go to affordable housing construction, $20 million to homeless services and $5 million to city administrative costs.
The council members who sponsored the legislation — O’Brien, Herbold, M. Lorena González and Teresa Mosqueda — have unveiled a spending plan, but that is subject to change, either by amendments from other council members or, more likely, during the city budget process in the fall.
Among the possible options for the homeless-services portion of the money: 100 new tiny homes in two authorized encampments; 362 new beds in emergency shelters; and 97 parking spaces for people living in their vehicles.
The region’s homeless population has increased significantly in the 30 months since Seattle and King County declared states of emergency; the number of people sleeping outside has doubled since 2014 according to snapshot counts of homelessness.
Supporters of the tax have pointed to extensive waiting lists for homeless services, especially for subsidized housing. Emergency shelter beds for single adults were full 90 percent of the time last year, according to data from All Home King County.
To get people out of shelters, King County and Seattle maintain a triage system, called Coordinated Entry for All, which screens and prioritizes people for services. In December 2017, there were nearly 8,700 people on the waiting list, including 2,118 families, and people waited more than five months on average to get a housing referral.
That is in part because King County has 11,238 beds of permanent and transitional housing projects, and rapid rehousing vouchers, but just 10 percent become vacant each year, according to data in a new report by King County’s independent auditor.
Seattle’s proposed head tax is estimated by council staff to create about 1,700 more units of housing, but it would take least two or three years to design and build them.
Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan has not said whether she will veto the tax if it passes the council, but has expressed concern about Amazon’s opposition. In a meeting with The Seattle Times editorial board Thursday, Durkan said she is weighing input from different constituencies.
“For example, certain segments of labor are very strongly against the head tax. The building trades, for example,” Durkan said. “When Amazon pauses their construction of a building, it’s lots of jobs. It’s lots of sales tax that they pay on every piece of everything they buy, and our general-fund revenues are very heavily dependent on construction right now.”
Councilmember Sally Bagshaw signaled she might be open to delaying the planned May 14 vote on the tax.
In seeking a compromise, a cooler conversation is needed, the mayor said.
“The only way we get there is we actually quit some of the hyperbole, quit only the heated rhetoric and bring people together and say, ‘What are those mutual goals and aspirations we have and how do we move toward them?’ ” she said.
Vianna Davila: 206-652-6550 or vdavila@seattletimes.com; on Twitter @ViannaDavila. Staff writers Jonathan Martin and Daniel Beekman contributed to this report. View 805 Comments
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Date: May 7th, 2018 11:16 AM Author: lake parlour Clearly it was lacking in opioid zombie homeless people for decades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998292) |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 1:41 PM Author: Fragrant Medicated Private Investor Brunch libs: "let's drive away businesses and bring in mentally ill drug addicts to sleep on the streets. it'll show morally righteous i am"
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Date: May 6th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: lake parlour What could go wrong? Seattles leaders have been insulted (so far) from their poor decision making because so much of the city's success is driven by global companies like amazon. It's prosperous in spite of these complete and utter shitheads.
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Date: May 6th, 2018 10:49 PM Author: 180 silver point yet business is booming more than ever in Seattle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35995774) |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 11:04 PM Author: carmine trailer park alpha Despite libs best efforts to the contrary. Its actually a testament to the resilience of capitalism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35995844) |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: rambunctious potus volcanic crater Sounds like people are starting to understand that our current methods of fighting homelessness only make matters worse.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but its pretty clear these homeless programs are not it. |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 1:51 PM Author: Fragrant Medicated Private Investor Brunch libs pretend that homelessness is simply an issue of not enough affordable housing.
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Date: May 6th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: angry green dog poop rehab There's also small portion of people that is simply too stupid to have any economic value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35993050) |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 6:19 PM Author: passionate frisky partner range https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kshama_Sawant
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Date: May 6th, 2018 10:53 PM Author: Slap-happy personal credit line She married her husband Vivek, an engineer at Microsoft, and moved to the United States. Sawant's husband filed for and obtained a legal divorce in 2014.[8] She remarried in August 2016 to Calvin Priest, a fellow Seattle Socialist Alternative organizer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35995793) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: ruddy vigorous bawdyhouse son of senegal Subject: The 2020 Democrat Platform Sawant has advocated the nationalization of large Washington State corporations such as Boeing, Microsoft, and Amazon.com[53] and expressed a desire to see privately owned housing in "Millionaire's Row" in the Capitol Hill neighborhood turned into publicly owned shared housing saying, "When things are exquisitely beautiful and rare, they shouldn't be privately owned."[54] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35999344) |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 6:23 PM Author: Excitant property feces Pretty good argument, tax big businesses to pay for things. Why are conturds against this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35994336) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:00 AM Author: orange shitlib I think they are more against giving incentives to homeless people to move to Seattle and stay homeless in this case.
Why can't libs fully think through things? I don't think you're capable of separating emotion from logic. All you think about in this instance is helping homeless and taxing big business, even if the policy is fundamentally flawed. |
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Date: May 11th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: odious church building A tax on employment discourages hiring people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#36031600) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: motley national Here's what kills me, as I recently mentioned in another thread: People who pay for their own housing have to make difficult decisions about where they can afford to live all the time. A lot of people who actually work in Seattle (or any city) commute in because they can't afford to live in the city proper.
So, just why the hell is it that the homeless have some automatic right to stay in Seattle? Want to give them free housing? Fine, I'm sure we can get land and build mass housing very cheaply in a rural area at a fraction of the cost. Why do they even need to be close to Seattle, to go to work? If they don't want their free housing that's fine, but then they have to figure out on their own where they're living that they can pay market rent on.
It's fundamentally perverse that people paying to support the city are driven out, then implicitly and explicitly taxed for the benefit of the freeloaders. Enough. The taxpayers can live in the city and the freeloaders can live in the outer areas. |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:07 AM Author: turquoise gaming laptop homeless aren't really freeloaders, but people who are fucked up or down on their luck or druggies freeloaders are people fully capable of working, but who have made a conscious decision to take advantage of government programs and people's goodwill rather than support themselves. sure, there can be overlap, but grouping them together is being intellectually lazy |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: motley national Sure, if you want to draw that distinction, fine but it doesn't appear in the dictionary: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/freeloader
"noun 1. (slang) a person who habitually depends on the charity of others for food, shelter, etc"
But at some level it doesn't matter whether somebody can't or won't contribute. I'm amenable to giving free housing and some support services so people can get back on their feet (or, if they really can't, they can just get high until they die whatever). But it's fundamentally perverse that the people receiving assistance get to occupy some of the most expensive real estate in the country while people who are taxed to provide assistance are forced to move farther and farther out, then commute into the city to work so they can pay taxes to provide all that assistance.
Setting aside the unfairness, it's just illogical. The jobs are in the city so the people who work should, if possible, be closer to the city. The people who are receiving assistance should be spaced farther out because for them geography doesn't matter as much; you can receive assistance anywhere. Maybe make it an hour out on a train line so if they really need to they can get into the city. |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: lake parlour No, lib line is that suburbs are car dependent with poor transit options. Homeless people can't afford cars. The jobs and services they need are in the city. So you can't put homeless people too far away.
Really it feeds the perversion of the wealthy umc needing to surround themselves with the lowest dregs of society to show how virtuous they are. |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: lake parlour Libs would reply: first, we want affordable housing so that everyone can live an environmentally sustainable life in the city. Second, homeless are people too and pushing them further from the city, where services they desperately need are located, puts a terrible burden on them. Lasty, I sent this comment to your employer and plan on boycotting them until you are fired, nazi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35997893) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: motley national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35997923) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: Autistic library boiling water Homeless ppl "live" in the city because they make good money begging... Until homeless flood an area and pedestrians avoid the area or refuse to give altogether. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998967) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: dashing domesticated market People need to aggressively revolt against this behavior in every major city that has a homelessness issue
They have to re-institutionalize the mentally ill homeless - it is just a fact. Schizophrenic and other majorly mentally ill homeless do not benefit from being left to the depredations of a city hellscape. |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 9:42 AM Author: motley national This is CR, but also I question the framing that we have to do what benefits them. Something like 0.5-1% of the population is tossing needles everywhere, setting up shantytowns, harassing and threatening people everywhere they go and ruining the city for everybody. The government can and should protect the rest of us and our QOL from them. If it also makes a better life for the bums, that's nice, but not our primary objective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35997714) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: dashing domesticated market Unfortunately what has happened is something that has been called the "Homeless Industrial Complex" - so much Liberal government effort has been spent on homelessness for about 40 years or so that there is now an entrenched class of people who derive their livelihoods "studying" and "managing" the homeless problem.
These are the people that prepare the "impact reports" and whatever other bullshit as well as those that run the non-profits and own the housing the city rents for the homeless people - they all have a big monetary stake in the game and try to keep or expand their constituency because they are making money off of it. |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: turquoise gaming laptop shelters cost a building and some people making minimum wage to run the building institutions cost megabucks |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: dashing domesticated market There has to be a level where it makes sense to instituionalize some homeless - even SF is finally doing it now with the worst 100 homeless in the city who consume an enormous amount of resources from the Emergency Room.
It is actually cheaper to create an institution and house these individuals due to their costs to the medical system. |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: turquoise gaming laptop sure, but that level is generally set at when the homeless person becomes a criminal and the institution is a jail or prison |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:27 AM Author: dashing domesticated market Some of these individuals waste hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in public resources and delay lifesaving care for people in emergencies because of their inability to control their behavior or unwillingness to take their medicine and thus continuously exist in a state of near feral lawlessness
Do you see no issue in any of this? |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: turquoise gaming laptop sure, there are issues. but grouping everyone together is not appropriate druggies, mentally ill, jobless, criminals, lazies not sure you can treat all groups differently, but in principle, all groups should be treated differently i'm extremely disinclined to incentivize some of these groups, but helping isn't necessarily incentivizing |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: lake parlour It's 90% opioid related. For whatever reasons, for large swaths of our population, presently, escaping reality is a better option than whatever else global cap is offering. The real hard ass answer is to make that lifestyle more difficult, aside from the underlying causes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998157) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: turquoise gaming laptop that lifestyle results in incarceration, for better or worse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998211) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: lake parlour The bar for that is now much higher than you think. In downtown Seattle police basically ignore crimes like petty theft. If they can make it out of the store they are home free. Dealers use them as boosters to jack merchandise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998265) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: motley national Most of these bros would probably not cause much trouble in a minimum security prison. Incarceration doesn't have to be so expensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998355) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:29 AM Author: lake parlour Seattle has attempted this too for almost a decade now. They basically checked with EMS to find the most service dependent individuals and gave them a free condo where they can get drunk and shoot up, no rules. Not sure how it's panned out financially. Seems like a fucked up incentive. Surprisingly there are lots more homeless people here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35997957) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: Sienna overrated school The most mentally ill and destructive of them should be euthanized. There's really no helping them and it's a huge waste of money to keep "treating" them, and probably the most humane thing to do anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35997941) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: Heady Nursing Home $75 Million dollars for: "100 new tiny homes in two authorized encampments; 362 new beds in emergency shelters; and 97 parking spaces for people living in their vehicles."
That's $150,000 per person sheltered, assuming everything works as planned (it won't). Also lmao at building parking spaces as a solution to homelessness. |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: motley national Yeah, because they're building the "free" housing in the city rather than cheap rural areas. You can build a perfectly suitable manufactured home for like $30K in are country and, with the government buying a bunch of them, could probably get some sort of bulk discounts. ljl at this plan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35997890) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:19 AM Author: lake parlour I toured a housing project that was built out of all environmentally sustainable products, like bamboo floors and shit. I asked the gal that spearheaded the project if they could have created more units if standard materials were used. I instantly knew I had touched a third rail. Her response was nonsensical "just because they are homeless now doesn't mean they deserve substandard living conditions. We are sending a message of respect to these people." I stopped right there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35997905) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Floppy pistol skinny woman the power you held in your hands at that moment cannot be understated. had you simply said "you didn't answer the question because X isn't saying Y" you could have ruined this chick's brain forever.
you showed tremendous charity, but she will go on to inflict her madness on others.
the great balancing act of life. |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: lake parlour This was like a decade ago and one of the first inklings I got that sjw = religion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998048) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:49 AM Author: motley national Lib logic on this is hilarious as always.
Housing, like everything else, is going to be on a curve. Definitionally, some of it is going to be above standard, some standard, and some substandard. So, who gets the substandard housing? Well, here's a thought, how about the people who are receiving a free fucking house thanks to the charity of others? And whose "substandard" living condition makes them better off than the nobility of just a few centuries ago? Liiiiiiiiiiibs. |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: lake parlour I never even said substandard. The units were fucking beautiful. Shrew on the tour with me even said wow these are nicer than my house without a hint of irony. I wanted the know how many more homeless people could have been served by trading out the environment bullshit. As it is getting one of the units was like winning the damn lottery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998137) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: turquoise gaming laptop this type of bullshit is really indefensible it's part of the swamp contractors making megabucks to build the units at above market rates, etc |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 11:20 AM Author: Heady Nursing Home surely the people who are receiving those beautiful new houses for free will value them appropriately, and respect the need to maintain them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998332) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: Floppy pistol skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998351) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 11:23 AM Author: motley national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998363) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 11:29 AM Author: lake parlour Surely. And they never file lawsuits against the city when they try and kick out the drug dealer 'uncle' that moves his ass in and cites his emotional support pitbull. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998415) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 12:54 PM Author: Galvanic new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35999077) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: concupiscible self-absorbed philosopher-king locus anyone who is homeless for longer than 1 month should be rounded up and mailed to the new Chinese islands in the south china sea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35998863) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: Jade fanboi where's evan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35999355) |
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Date: May 7th, 2018 1:43 PM Author: motley national Off paying his head tax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3969589&forum_id=2#35999489) |