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So biglaw guarantees a 30 year old $350,000 year and it's bad?

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Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/17/18
Flexible work. Lots of firms let you do whatever from home a...
soggy coffee pot
  05/17/18
Compare this to in-house - sitting in an open plan office, m...
soggy coffee pot
  05/17/18
There is shitty in-house and there is cushy in-house. Not su...
jade school azn
  05/17/18
In either case if you're not (1) GC or (2) Business generati...
Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/17/18
Don't understand what your gripe is. Everyone going in-house...
jade school azn
  05/17/18
My point is that the risk skews heavily towards the downside...
Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/17/18
You are far more likely to be canned on a whim in biglaw. In...
dull kitchen personal credit line
  05/17/18
That might be true for the bottom 25% of performers but defi...
Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/17/18
cr you can work in the morning, in the evening, at kids' bas...
cyan big-titted area
  05/17/18
you don't work all the time in biglaw. only NYC/HKG corp is ...
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lol
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(MSFT CEO)
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  05/17/18
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startling national security agency
  05/17/18
Man I was yelling at some Thai woman making ridiculous argum...
Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke
  05/17/18
yell at her for 5 minutes. go back to the banks. "...
soggy coffee pot
  05/17/18
Yeah that's what I did but a stressful five min
Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke
  05/17/18
oh no a stressful five mins u have literally $1m in a ban...
soggy coffee pot
  05/17/18
Brokerage
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  05/17/18
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soggy coffee pot
  05/17/18
It shouldn't be. It's someone else's money and risk. Let her...
Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/17/18
oh i agree, my whole approach is let's be chill about this. ...
Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke
  05/17/18
Yesterday I cut off an angry shrew to ask her why she lies a...
Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/17/18
Sssssssh don't yell it's going to be ok It's goin to be ok ...
Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/17/18
The best part of megacorp inhouse is negotiating with suppli...
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  05/17/18
crrrrrrr
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Remember this voicemail? http://www.kinsellalaw.com/wp-c...
Provocative church building
  05/17/18
of course
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  05/17/18
They should make this voicemail a huge portion of your bar e...
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Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/17/18
What an annoying fuck. BTW, what was the issue? lol at getti...
jade school azn
  05/17/18
Listened to this again for the first time since law school. ...
Insecure Nudist Home
  05/17/18
lol
Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke
  05/17/18
never heard it before today. It's bad, but it's not the wors...
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  05/23/18
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Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/23/18
lol @ negotiating with thai
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LJL. The Little Mermaid could never get made today.
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  05/17/18
id fuck the shit out of ariel
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  05/17/18
"You'll never miss it."
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  05/17/18
2200 in billables? that's like a 44-hour workweek with two f...
Ruddy parlour police squad
  05/17/18
lmao, here are three committees we'd like you to run, also p...
Flesh soul-stirring station
  05/17/18
2200 is 44 billable hours per week, which really means 50 ho...
Provocative church building
  05/17/18
most biglawyers bill less than 2000
soggy coffee pot
  05/17/18
*most biglawyers without a long-term career trajectory at th...
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  05/17/18
yeah but you can still do 10 years and save literally no fla...
soggy coffee pot
  05/17/18
I'd wager there isn't a single lawyer in the V25 who's joine...
navy disturbing crackhouse
  05/17/18
yeah you cant do 10 years at a firm with sub 2k but you can ...
soggy coffee pot
  05/17/18
sometimes but it depends on things that are outside of your ...
navy disturbing crackhouse
  05/17/18
You don’t know what you’re taking about. At my V5 the AVERAG...
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(Poaster soon to receive an email from random partner to mee...
jade school azn
  05/17/18
Brother, I think I do know what I'm talking about and we're ...
navy disturbing crackhouse
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Ok, maybe it’s different at the top handful of firms. I did ...
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  05/17/18
But you do have to bill these hours to support the PPP of a ...
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Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/25/18
Average billable numbers are flame vastly deflated by part y...
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  05/23/18
10 years is crazy you could probably milk it to year 4-5 ...
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  05/20/18
LMAO @ two full weeks of vacation
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  05/22/18
my friend is 30 in biglaw V50 and only makes $250k.
Slimy Dilemma Turdskin
  05/17/18
So your friend did something before law school and graduated...
Idiotic sinister therapy
  05/17/18
pretty much but he saved for law school and had only $50k of...
Slimy Dilemma Turdskin
  05/17/18
guarantees?
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LOL. The funny thing is, i remember thinking exactly that in...
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  05/17/18
And then you weren't good at it and didn't take full agency ...
Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
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soggy coffee pot
  05/17/18
BURN
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Now i have a cool job where people are actually nice to me a...
Racy multi-billionaire
  05/17/18
Absolutely devastating
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cr. plus you just do 4-5 years in the right practice group a...
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Concupiscible Gold House
  05/17/18
Now remove your avarice (NYC) and gluttony (law school debt...
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  05/17/18
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Concupiscible Gold House
  05/17/18
We're all gonna die and be forgotten
Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/17/18
thank god
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Insecure Nudist Home
  05/17/18
This is an interesting new twist on an old flame
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Hey, interesting idea you have here. I think we need to tal...
navy disturbing crackhouse
  05/17/18
You are highly compensated because you have no long term fut...
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  05/17/18
who cares. you can save $750k - $1m and then do literally wh...
soggy coffee pot
  05/17/18
"All I wanted to do was to practice law at Skadden for ...
navy disturbing crackhouse
  05/17/18
sounds 180
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  05/17/18
Yes, 100%. *in the middledistance, the sound of cannonade i...
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  05/21/18
not a biglaw bro but i get the impression they entice you wi...
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  05/21/18
why would you be a "broken shell" of a person jfc ...
soggy coffee pot
  05/21/18
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Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/21/18
5 years if you’re lucky
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soggy coffee pot
  05/22/18
you have no idea what it's like. i was at v5 lit and ended i...
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  05/22/18
And what are you doing now
soggy coffee pot
  05/22/18
You shouldn't join v5, that's a huge mistake but you should ...
Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke
  05/22/18
V5 is a sad grotesquerie of flattened goombas and koopa troo...
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  05/23/18
hilarious
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Its solid money but truly is brutal in many ways. It just we...
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  05/22/18
its literally just typing things and reading emails JFC grow...
soggy coffee pot
  05/23/18
LOL at "Guarantee"
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  05/22/18
$350k in MFH will barely pay for your groceries
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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:45 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067472)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:46 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

Flexible work. Lots of firms let you do whatever from home as long as it gets done. Can roll in at a 11, out at 4 on slow days. Senior assocs can delegate a ton of the grunt work. Insanely high salary. Good job flexibility - there's firms lining up to hire you even if you get canned. Great benefits. Transactional is chill and often not too contentious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067474)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:47 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

Compare this to in-house - sitting in an open plan office, making half as much, some MD riding you every second of your 9-7 day, still have a blackberry, still working on deals. JFC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067475)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: jade school azn

There is shitty in-house and there is cushy in-house. Not sure if the same can be said for Biglaw. If you're there 9-7 it's prbly because you spent 3 hours shooting the shit with others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067932)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

In either case if you're not (1) GC or (2) Business generating or (3) absolutely MISSION FUCKING CRITICAL AGC or DGC in a HUGE organization your just sitti around waiting to be cannon fodder in the next round of recession layoffs oh and you didn't get that much stock cuz youre a low level lawyer and the stock is worthless because it's a recession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067976)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:46 AM
Author: jade school azn

Don't understand what your gripe is. Everyone going in-house understands the risk. Biglaw presents similar ones as well. What you're likely referring to (I imagine) are contract negotiator level in-house positions. Your statement holds true for biglaw I guess. No one goes in-house to make money, or, at least, I've yet to meet anyone that has. Ppl generally go for a better work life balance and reasonable pay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068015)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:47 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

My point is that the risk skews heavily towards the downside for all but the positions I identified, which includes the vast majority of AGCs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068026)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:55 AM
Author: dull kitchen personal credit line

You are far more likely to be canned on a whim in biglaw. In house job security is far superior to big law job security.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069167)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:50 PM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

That might be true for the bottom 25% of performers but definitely not the middle 50%.

I think you underestimate how decimated in house legal staffs become in sharp downturns. It's nastier on a percentage basis than biglaw. 40 down to 4.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069543)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:57 AM
Author: cyan big-titted area

cr you can work in the morning, in the evening, at kids' baseball games, even fall asleep in bed with your emails open

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067501)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:59 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

you don't work all the time in biglaw. only NYC/HKG corp is bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067516)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:02 AM
Author: Anal chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067525)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: Coral razzmatazz institution

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105791)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:39 PM
Author: Twinkling Brunch

(MSFT CEO)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105812)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 11:45 AM
Author: Cerebral henna spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36111498)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:57 AM
Author: pale confused boiling water

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067502)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:09 AM
Author: startling national security agency

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067537)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:58 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke

Man I was yelling at some Thai woman making ridiculous arguments at like midnight yesterday, sometimes it's not that chill

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067509)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:59 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

yell at her for 5 minutes.

go back to the banks.

"Company said no, would you like us to keep pushing back?"

Rinse and repeat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067511)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:59 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke

Yeah that's what I did but a stressful five min

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067514)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:00 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

oh no a stressful five mins

u have literally $1m in a bank account

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067517)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:00 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke

Brokerage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067519)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067822)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:00 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

It shouldn't be. It's someone else's money and risk. Let her angst fall upon your lap like acorns from an oak tree

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067523)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:05 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke

oh i agree, my whole approach is let's be chill about this. but when people are just being aggro retards for no reason, its tough

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067530)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:14 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

Yesterday I cut off an angry shrew to ask her why she lies and yells and give her heart for a soulless company that cares nothing about her and wha would your parents and god and children think, it's okay, I will forgive you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067805)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:15 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

Sssssssh don't yell it's going to be ok

It's goin to be ok

It's going to be ok.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067816)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 10:14 AM
Author: Idiotic sinister therapy

The best part of megacorp inhouse is negotiating with suppliers because your job is basically to be as unfair and dickish to them as possible. I think my main goal for the rest of my career is to spend as much of my time as possible working for businesses in negotiations where they have all the leverage in every negotiation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068214)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:29 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068906)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:35 AM
Author: tan codepig

crrrrrrr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068964)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:40 AM
Author: Provocative church building

Remember this voicemail?

http://www.kinsellalaw.com/wp-content/uploads/audio/VoiceMessage.wav



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069014)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:46 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke

of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069063)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: Idiotic sinister therapy

They should make this voicemail a huge portion of your bar exam score. They should add a section where you have to recite it from memory and fail the whole test if you miss more than 5 words. Licensed attorneys should be subject to spot checks where they are asked by another member of the bar to recite it on demand and if they fail to recite it properly they can be disbarred. Also, I should have found this dude and begged him to hire me at the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069224)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:44 PM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069499)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: jade school azn

What an annoying fuck. BTW, what was the issue? lol at getting worked up over shit like this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069237)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:13 PM
Author: Insecure Nudist Home

Listened to this again for the first time since law school. It doesnt sound that bad anymore

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069287)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:50 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36073254)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:59 AM
Author: cyan big-titted area

never heard it before today. It's bad, but it's not the worst thing I've ever heard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36110810)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:34 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36111048)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Misanthropic scarlet main people

lol @ negotiating with thai

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067831)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068071)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:32 AM
Author: Vermilion Organic Girlfriend Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067622)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: 180 electric furnace faggot firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067829)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:47 AM
Author: Ebony Filthy Whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067476)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:56 AM
Author: Indigo self-absorbed messiness dopamine

LJL. The Little Mermaid could never get made today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067500)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:57 AM
Author: Avocado community account library

id fuck the shit out of ariel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067507)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:45 AM
Author: Flesh soul-stirring station

"You'll never miss it."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067647)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:52 AM
Author: gaped ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067489)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:42 AM
Author: Ruddy parlour police squad

2200 in billables? that's like a 44-hour workweek with two full weeks of vacation a year. biglawyers aren't paid enough for that kind of workload.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067640)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:46 AM
Author: Flesh soul-stirring station

lmao, here are three committees we'd like you to run, also please be a major participant in the summer program and all of your clients are cost-conscious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067650)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:45 AM
Author: Provocative church building

2200 is 44 billable hours per week, which really means 50 hours in the office ever week. That's not bad by NYC standards, but it means 9:30-7:30 five days a week and probably 5-10 weekends a year ruined with work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069049)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:46 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

most biglawyers bill less than 2000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069052)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: navy disturbing crackhouse

*most biglawyers without a long-term career trajectory at the firm*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069065)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

yeah but you can still do 10 years and save literally no flame one million dollars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069075)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: navy disturbing crackhouse

I'd wager there isn't a single lawyer in the V25 who's joined within the last 10 years who would be allowed to stay for 10 years if they bill <2k per year outside of the following edge cases: 1) they have dirt on / improper under the eyes of God relations with someone on the global committee; 2) they're a walking discrimination / adverse firing suit if they're let go; 3) they're in a niche area of practice where the hours culture has escaped the general rising tide (e.g., SALT controversy); 4) they're only there because of business facilitation (dad is the GC of Exxon); 5) they have a special niche skill (government contracting wizard with portability over into false claims act analysis for obscure contracting methodologies). This probably describes 5% of the associate workforce. For the other 95%, hours drive the equation to a degree that is jaw-dropping to idealistic outsiders. Also, the Kevron Drive has reached stage four of engineering test phase and we're preparing for a demonstration sometime in June, please let me know if you'd like to attend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069149)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:56 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

yeah you cant do 10 years at a firm with sub 2k but you can lateral 2-3 times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069174)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: navy disturbing crackhouse

sometimes but it depends on things that are outside of your control like what the market trend is for your practice area at the time and how desperate the (usually lower vault) firm is to staff up with laterals. I've seen the scenario you describe where a lawyer has bobbed and weaved from firm to firm successfully but I've also seen people who get fucked because their resume screams "I can't stay in a single place for more then 1-2 years"; hiring partners / committees are wise to this, especially these days--it's fairly easy to spot someone who is just milking a career path for a few more years of benefits / savings before moving to borneo to open a tattoo body art stand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069187)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:59 AM
Author: dull kitchen personal credit line

You don’t know what you’re taking about. At my V5 the AVERAGE billables, excluding pro bono are 1650 to 1750. With pro bono they are about 1900. It’s only the V15 (maybe V10) - V100 where you really have to grind out 2000+ consistently.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069192)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: jade school azn

(Poaster soon to receive an email from random partner to meet in conference room East-West at end of day)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069198)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: navy disturbing crackhouse

Brother, I think I do know what I'm talking about and we're really not saying anything differently. I don't doubt that some V10s have that as an average hours basis. It doesn't affect the point I'm making, particularly when you think about the volume shape of the cohort of lawyers (pyramidal base); there are lots of young lawyers who come in and try to survive billing <2k hours. I'm telling you they don't generally last these days for a combination of reasons including both firm selection and self selection

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069202)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:22 PM
Author: dull kitchen personal credit line

Ok, maybe it’s different at the top handful of firms. I did consider going to a lower V100 firm recently (for a move that would have involved a promotion) and I was surprised by how hours-focused they were compared to my current firm. My firm just charges pornographically-obscene rates so we don’t really have to bill that many hours to turn a good profit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069348)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:52 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

But you do have to bill these hours to support the PPP of a v5, which even with high rates relies on leverage and hours. Hours are the unit of production of the law firm. Each associate, special counsel and non-equity partner costs salary + bonus + $300k. Add up the back office at $350k/Head. Pull your top line revenue from AmLaw. Pull your PPP. Take junior associate hours at 1800/per based on a bucket of juniors at leverage and $600/hour, counsel and non-equity at 1800/per and $1000/hour and solve for hours of the buckett of senior associates at leverage and $950/hour. The math will show seniors getting CRUSHED. The average number rolled out by firms will include ALL of the partial year firings, hiring and maternity and paternity leave. You MUST bill 2400/year to last ten years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36110782)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36125473)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: Sickened antidepressant drug meetinghouse

Average billable numbers are flame vastly deflated by part year laterals and women on maternity leave

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36111110)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 4:55 PM
Author: ocher knife hell

10 years is crazy

you could probably milk it to year 4-5 though depending on the firm and office, but then you're kind of fucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36091430)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: fragrant snowy public bath

LMAO @ two full weeks of vacation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36106393)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:50 AM
Author: Slimy Dilemma Turdskin

my friend is 30 in biglaw V50 and only makes $250k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067678)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: Idiotic sinister therapy

So your friend did something before law school and graduated at 27?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069246)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:21 PM
Author: Slimy Dilemma Turdskin

pretty much but he saved for law school and had only $50k of debt and is now debt free.

My only point is that it's wrong to assume top tier base and bonus and graduating at 25 with $0 debt. the opportunity cost of making the money requires a few years to break even. by the break-even point, most biglawyers are looking to leave.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069343)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:15 AM
Author: Naked tanning salon

guarantees?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067814)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 5:40 PM
Author: sienna trip selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36071812)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Racy multi-billionaire

LOL. The funny thing is, i remember thinking exactly that in law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067826)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:19 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

And then you weren't good at it and didn't take full agency of your own life and missed some cuts and gave up and now you can't afford your shitty townhome

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067849)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067916)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:52 AM
Author: Provocative church building

BURN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069131)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:55 AM
Author: Racy multi-billionaire

Now i have a cool job where people are actually nice to me and i dont dread coming in to work every day and im getting an awesome 180 house that i actually own (town homes are bullshit, u dont own them). Our new place is really growing on me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069168)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 5:40 PM
Author: sienna trip selfie

Absolutely devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36071817)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:17 AM
Author: Misanthropic scarlet main people

cr. plus you just do 4-5 years in the right practice group and then transition to 9-5 300k in house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067833)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:26 AM
Author: Concupiscible Gold House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067888)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:29 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

Now remove your avarice (NYC) and gluttony (law school debt) from the fact pattern and recalculate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067902)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: Concupiscible Gold House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067951)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

We're all gonna die and be forgotten

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067956)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: blue gaming laptop

thank god

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067960)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 5:38 PM
Author: Insecure Nudist Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36071799)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: amethyst haunted graveyard

This is an interesting new twist on an old flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067961)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: navy disturbing crackhouse

Hey, interesting idea you have here. I think we need to talk through things in more detail though. Can you please set up a call with the bort for Saturday at 8 a.m. and then I'll want a draft memorializing the strategy--bullets are fine, but make sure they're tight--by Sunday AM since the board presentation is Monday. Also, I need you to fly out to Quebec sometime next week to support something--I'll let you know the details sometime this week or else over the weekend, but if you haven't heard from me by Monday definitely reach back out

Thanks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069028)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: dull kitchen personal credit line

You are highly compensated because you have no long term future/career progression at the firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069219)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: soggy coffee pot

who cares. you can save $750k - $1m and then do literally whatever you want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069247)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:10 PM
Author: navy disturbing crackhouse

"All I wanted to do was to practice law at Skadden for forty years. If only I had know it required an average realized billable hours aggregate of 2,150 per year during my associate years I would have adjusted things. Now here I am, 37, forced to leave the Glory Seat of the Law and sell trinkets to tourists in Ukraine with my family in tow."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069263)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: soggy coffee pot

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069418)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: navy disturbing crackhouse

Yes, 100%. *in the middledistance, the sound of cannonade interpunctuated with the burping diesel noises of a rolling wave of Soviet battletanks* "Mishka, they return! Roll up the storefront! Ready the armor!" 'Dad, I've told you fifty times my name is Axton Kingston and I'm not changing it no matter how long we stay in this shitty place. When are we going home?'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069539)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:15 AM
Author: histrionic brethren ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36102521)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: sienna trip selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105755)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

BIGTRINKET

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069515)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: Boyish ruby affirmative action ceo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36073532)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 6:12 PM
Author: soggy coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36072058)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36089617)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:03 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36095252)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:04 AM
Author: slippery gas station

not a biglaw bro but i get the impression they entice you with the big salary but they work the shit out of you and then ditch you after about 5 years, leaving you the broken shell of a person

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36095257)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:07 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

why would you be a "broken shell" of a person jfc

its just emails

you aren't manning a trench at Verdun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36095261)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 12:48 PM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36096793)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: ocher knife hell

5 years if you’re lucky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36106376)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 3:49 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36102750)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 4:17 AM
Author: Vivacious church regret

you have no idea what it's like. i was at v5 lit and ended it with nothing lined up. human beings were not made for office work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36102781)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 4:19 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

And what are you doing now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36102784)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:40 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Office Yarmulke

You shouldn't join v5, that's a huge mistake but you should have been able to lateral

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36102853)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap

V5 is a sad grotesquerie of flattened goombas and koopa troopas acting like they own the castle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36104396)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: sienna trip selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105753)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:38 PM
Author: Coral razzmatazz institution

lol wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105805)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36110721)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:01 AM
Author: cyan big-titted area

hilarious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36110823)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 7:32 AM
Author: Sapphire Fluffy Laser Beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36417432)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:37 PM
Author: motley shitlib

Its solid money but truly is brutal in many ways. It just wears you down over the years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105799)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:14 AM
Author: soggy coffee pot

its literally just typing things and reading emails JFC grow a backbone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36110889)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: contagious rehab gay wizard

LOL at "Guarantee"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105834)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: Green Diverse New Version

$350k in MFH will barely pay for your groceries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36111113)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:36 AM
Author: aromatic stain

“Flexible work. Lots of firms let you do whatever from home as long as it gets done.” You WILL be working from home (or the airport, train, poolside at your vacation resort, your mother’s dining room table prior to Thanksgiving dinner) in addition to all time spent in the office, since there is no distinction between work and leisure time.

“Can roll in at a 11, out at 4 on slow days”: Yes, after three straight weeks of crushing days, you’ll have a day or two with nothing to do, so you can head in or out early by a few hours, with the dreaded awareness that this period of relative calm can be blown up at any moment.

“Senior assocs can delegate a ton of the grunt work.” Yes, at a certain point you can delegate legal research and answering formulaic interrogatories, while still retaining ultimate responsibility for the delegated work being right (you’ll be as fucked as the junior if some case-busting precedent finds its way into your brief), and then you have some delightful senior associates responsibilities added to your plate, like dealing directly with intransigent clients (direct client contact!) and a plethora of business development “grunt work” (partner tasks you with getting together extensive RFP for case hitting the docket in the morning, for presentation to potential client that evening)

“Good job flexibility -there's firms lining up to hire you even if you get canned.” No. Highly dependent on market and, at some point where it is clear you are non-partner material in the big law world (i.e. vast majority of people) the most common path if staying in the firm world is going to a midlaw or boutique firm that presents much of the samw bullshit with pay comparable to inhouse roles you potentially could have earlier transitioned to earlier.

“Great benefits.” Yes, like UNLIMITED vacation! (Of course, Billable hours expectations still apply).

“ Transactional is chill and often not too contentious.” Hahahhahahhahahhahhahah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36125707)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 1:08 PM
Author: Mustard Shrine Death Wish

sounds like you're in lit, so that's your problem right there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36419165)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 1:06 PM
Author: Startled Queen Of The Night Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36419149)