Bort Jews: why so defensive of Israel?
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Date: May 18th, 2018 12:19 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Hairy Legs
Uh, not that I'm aware of? What is this trope that Jews would be "more loyal" to Israel than the country they live in?
Give me an example where the interests conflict. Things seem to being going swimmingly between the two, esp with Trump in office.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980233&forum_id=2#36077242)
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: copper locale
But some Israel-first Jews probably exist, right?
say Latin Americans, Indians, Asians, or other Middle Easterners for example
so you feel closer kinship with a white christian from Nebraska or Mississippi than an Israeli? if given the opportunity (say you were a billionaire or in prominent in finance or media) you'd work to support his welfare over those of Jews and Israel?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980233&forum_id=2#36078241) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Hairy Legs
I would prioritize America/Americans first before any foreigners, including Israel/Israelis.
In fact, I would love to end most/all of our foreign entanglements, repatriate our money and invest it at home where it is desperately needed, like China has been doing. The business of America has been war while the business of China is business.
My key philosophy is: No Foreign Entanglements
Of course I support Israel as an ally and believe they are in fact a crucial ally to us in many respects and play an important role in the region of the world in which they are.
It's funny how off base you are thinking Jews would prioritize loyalty to Israel above America when more Jewish Americans are being turned off Israel because they see it acting as a political entity that is antithetical to "progressive" America, i.e it's treatment of Palestinians or whatever. I understand totally the difficult situation Israel finds itself in and fully expect it to defend itself strongly, nor do I think the burden of proof exists upon them to show they want peace - that's the job of Palestinians.
So anyway I hope that answers your questions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980233&forum_id=2#36078316) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Hairy Legs
I think your understanding of Jews is poor. American Jews who don't live in the reality Israel lives in, who are ingratiated into the professional, liberal class, are totally insulated from anything like Israeli Jews face. The fact that Israel wants to be a Jewish state many American Jews think is racist/Jewish supremacy - they do not realize at all what Israel is up against. They buy into the lib propaganda that gets spewed out and even support Jew hating politicians like Keith Ellison. Far from being loyal, I wish less were so actively hostile and could understand why Israel wants and in fact needs to preserve its Jewishness.
Read this sad article for a primer:
https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2017/05/why-many-american-jews-are-becoming-indifferent-or-even-hostile-to-israel/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980233&forum_id=2#36078408) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Hairy Legs
Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? This is what makes you such a shitpoaster/debater.
Judeo-Christian is a term that describes the traditional religious/moral values of western civilization as derived from Judaism and Christianity. Right wing Republican Christians seems to use this term more than anyone.
What exactly is it that you are advocating for or think I am denying? Do you want a "national homeland" for Christians? Do you want there to not be separation of church and state in America? I don't see what your point is.
Israel was founded as a Jewish state. Christianity was once the official religion of the Roman Empire. Christians compose the vast majority of the population in most Euro/Western countries. What is it that you want to change?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980233&forum_id=2#36085340) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 11:42 PM Author: copper locale
you've mentioned a couple of times ITT that you don't know what you're talking about so I'll help you a bit
As far as ethnic groups go, Jews tend to be more familiar with their history than most. They know that Jews and Muslims have historically gotten along very well. Jews have suffered far more at the hands of Christians. Then of course there's the recent "Holocaust" perpetrated by Europeans. Polls show that the memory of the Holocaust weighs significantly on modern Jews and they spend a lot of time obsessing over it.
So it's not hard to see what modern Jewish shitlibs think. They consider white christians the ultimate evil and feel they can relate to some degree to their fellow brothers from the Middle East. Many basically blame whites for the current conflicts between Jews and Muslims and believe that once the white christian threat is diminished they can live in greater harmony
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980233&forum_id=2#36087911)
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