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Learned to waltz at a church dance tonight (CharlesXII)

Today was supposed to be the date on the Mall, but I got sav...
Useless parlour volcanic crater
  05/20/18
1 billion
effete brass cuck heaven
  05/20/18
btw contra dancing was a major old school pr/xo meme
effete brass cuck heaven
  05/20/18
Cr
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  05/20/18
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Boyish internal respiration
  05/20/18
What is contra dancing?
Boyish internal respiration
  05/20/18
Apparently a key feature is that couples form lines: http...
Useless parlour volcanic crater
  05/20/18
Tbf the meme was 'what is contra dancing?' followed by a lon...
Boyish internal respiration
  05/20/18
Shit
Useless parlour volcanic crater
  05/20/18
Cr
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Can anyone find one of those old threads? I made a medium-lo...
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  05/20/18
this has to be flame
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  05/20/18
What seems flame about it? I admit running into the girl who...
Useless parlour volcanic crater
  05/20/18
sounds like a fun night. it's great that you're going out an...
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  05/20/18
Nice work bro. You're taking it in stride which is key. ...
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what is the male/female ratio at catholic young singles even...
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  05/20/18
This event was pretty even overall, based on the fact dancin...
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describe age range and how many hot females there were
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Age range seemed about 20-35 with 24-28 probably the most co...
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  05/20/18
Why is the cancellation girl such a bitch
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Hey now, be nice. I don't know why she canceled and I'm gues...
Useless parlour volcanic crater
  05/20/18
is she normally a bit socially awkward?
Submissive very tactful mood locus
  05/20/18
I've only interacted with her a couple times. I basically as...
Useless parlour volcanic crater
  05/20/18
that's plenty of time to gauge social skills
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  05/20/18
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  05/20/18
The quail family is your destiny. Embrace it.
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  05/20/18
Regardless of whether anything happens they're a fascinating...
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  05/20/18
see if you can get them to poast!
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You already have a plus here that might make it all worthwhi...
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  05/20/18
wtf is a quail family
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See OP here: http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=39...
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I thought you misspelled Quayle
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They're like his version of the Schuyler Sisters.
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"Luckily almost everybody else was new at it so I blend...
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  05/20/18
Compliment was from a dude, the other guy in a four pack. Co...
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  05/20/18
Describe the unstructured dancing experiences.
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just straight jamming out to a colonial fife and drum band
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don't even pretend like you haven't done line dancing with y...
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CharlesXII is a nigga that don't dance but he makes moves
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180! Also, describe your thoughts on Midwest vs. East Coa...
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That's one gap, but I mostly focused on how there's a more e...
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Cr makes a lot of sense. The guitars/megachurch style stuff...
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I suppose that's also just a byproduct of evangelicals exist...
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Yucko to the guitars and mega church.
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expect massive competition for you in the quail family. play...
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lol 180 reverse big willie style pwnage on girl who ghosted...
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so just to be clear: over the last 2 weeks, you've gotten 2 ...
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In this one special case, I am maaaaybe ok with him seeing t...
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180
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180. I would hit up app sluts all day long, but never roll s...
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DAMN what a slut
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surprising that quail hasn't become a MAJOR forcememe
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Uh oh: Girl I danced/talked with the most on Saturday is app...
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no; yes any other qs?
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Well what is CR then?
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you're going to have to figure out which one you like the mo...
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consider the fact that he might like all of the sisters equa...
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  05/21/18
I think we both know the tiebreaker here
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don't rush it unless you know for sure you like this one the...
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  05/21/18
What about all that stuff about getting friend zoned?
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I think in this case its better to not rush and pick the wro...
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  05/21/18
Worst case scenario is dating one girl and later realizing h...
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That too
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yes / yes
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The other thing to consider is that one of these sisters may...
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TITMFCR You need to figure out which one, if any, likes y...
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pass them a note with "do u like me check y/n"
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all this shit seems like some form of punishment, not entert...
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Ah, but my hair already fell out. That's the difference.
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was her excuse for cancelling on you in conflict with her at...
mentally impaired frozen tanning salon french chef
  05/21/18
No, our date was scheduled for a good 6 hours earlier in the...
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  05/21/18
that's tough to do, esp for girls. she sounds credited as fu...
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Update: Asked out one of the sisters, got shot down. That si...
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lol shit man, describe the act of asking her out and her res...
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I got her # during the dance, started chatting with her a go...
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describe what's happening to your self-esteem and confidence...
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i view this as a positive. you went for it. that illustrates...
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this isn't NEARLY as bad as the other chick she could very ...
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  05/22/18
Yeah this could have been worse
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  05/22/18
That merely makes it unpleasant in a different, arguably wor...
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  05/22/18
you need to ask out the girl who is leaving on her state dep...
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  05/22/18
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  05/22/18
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  05/22/18
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That would be nice I suppose.
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  05/22/18
no sense in dwelling on it. Back to the dating apps...
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completely agreed.
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he's breaking out of the dancing monkey frame, breh
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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:20 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Today was supposed to be the date on the Mall, but I got savagely canceled on a few days ago as most of you know. I figured the CR was to soldier on and keep thing-doing, so tonight I went to a contra dancing event held at a Catholic school in Alexandria. I'd literally never intentionally gone dancing so it was a very new experience. Luckily almost everybody else was new at it so I blended in fine and one person even praised me as surprisingly good for a total beginner.

Amusingly and awkwardly, the girl who canceled on me was there and we briefly danced together during a big circle dance that involved constantly swapping partners. I said hello and she said nothing while avoiding eye contact and frankly dancing rather poorly. Yikes!

On the plus side, two members of the quail family were there, though not the oldest one I spoke the most two last week. This time I spent a lot of time talking to the middle member. We chatted about literature, education policy (she asked me about it, not flame), and the differences between Midwestern and East Coast Catholicism. She also taught me how to do a basic waltz after the organized dancing was over. A bunch of us went to Bob and Edith's on Columbia Pike afterward but I spent most of the time talking to the two quailers along with a tall Catholic Chad who was in the band at the dance. We discussed his interest in going to law school and I think I persuaded him not to go.

I got the # of the girl I talked to the most. She also offered to lend me a copy of Gogol's Dead Souls which I accepted as an easy excuse for future in-person interactions. She should also be singing at my church on Sunday morning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088696)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:25 AM
Author: effete brass cuck heaven

1 billion

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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:26 AM
Author: effete brass cuck heaven

btw contra dancing was a major old school pr/xo meme

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088708)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:52 AM
Author: vibrant cyan space

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088764)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:18 AM
Author: Boyish internal respiration



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:18 AM
Author: Boyish internal respiration

What is contra dancing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088813)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:20 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Apparently a key feature is that couples form lines:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra_dance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088823)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:31 AM
Author: Boyish internal respiration

Tbf the meme was 'what is contra dancing?' followed by a long explanation, but ty!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088863)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:33 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088870)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 4:05 AM
Author: vibrant cyan space

Cr

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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:23 AM
Author: hot psychic dilemma

Can anyone find one of those old threads? I made a medium-low effort search but couldn’t.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089167)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:23 PM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:21 AM
Author: irradiated godawful point mediation



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:27 AM
Author: filthy native

this has to be flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088711)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:28 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

What seems flame about it? I admit running into the girl who canceled in me was funny but given I first met her at a different NoVa Catholic event it's not that weird.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088714)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:30 AM
Author: Submissive very tactful mood locus

sounds like a fun night. it's great that you're going out and meeting people. if you continue to meet people and do things and enjoy yourself in the process, i have no doubt you'll meet the woman you marry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088718)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:31 AM
Author: Diverse Dysfunction

Nice work bro.

You're taking it in stride which is key.

Who cancelled on you? I missed that story arc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088721)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:31 AM
Author: effete brass cuck heaven

what is the male/female ratio at catholic young singles events

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088723)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:35 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

This event was pretty even overall, based on the fact dancing requires an opposite sex partner and almost nobody was sitting out each dance.

Not really sure what the average is as I haven't been deliberately hitting these events very long.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088732)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:43 AM
Author: effete brass cuck heaven

describe age range and how many hot females there were

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088749)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:54 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Age range seemed about 20-35 with 24-28 probably the most common group. Wide range of attractiveness but definitely some cute chicks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088766)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:32 AM
Author: Hairraiser pit

Why is the cancellation girl such a bitch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088727)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:36 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Hey now, be nice. I don't know why she canceled and I'm guessing she just found it awkward (or maybe she thought my hello during the dance was passive aggressive/sinister, idk).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088736)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:38 AM
Author: Submissive very tactful mood locus

is she normally a bit socially awkward?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088742)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:40 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

I've only interacted with her a couple times. I basically asked her out after talking to her at a dinner for like an hour.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088745)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:43 AM
Author: Submissive very tactful mood locus

that's plenty of time to gauge social skills

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088750)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:37 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Also, 100-book quest continues to fascinate people who hear about it so that's nice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088740)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:21 AM
Author: thirsty cerebral gunner telephone



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:55 AM
Author: Flushed Vigorous Chapel Karate

The quail family is your destiny. Embrace it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088769)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:01 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Regardless of whether anything happens they're a fascinating family and I love talking to all of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088780)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:22 AM
Author: carmine stock car chad

see if you can get them to poast!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088828)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: hot psychic dilemma

lol

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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:37 AM
Author: Sooty giraffe immigrant



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:41 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:23 AM
Author: thirsty cerebral gunner telephone

You already have a plus here that might make it all worthwhile even if nothing else happens (and something else WILL happen in time).

180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088830)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:30 AM
Author: tantric burgundy alpha hospital

wtf is a quail family

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088856)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:32 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

See OP here:

http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3975337&mc=84&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088867)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:36 AM
Author: tantric burgundy alpha hospital

nice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088878)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 7:03 AM
Author: Twinkling electric box office legend

I thought you misspelled Quayle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089030)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 8:31 AM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:56 AM
Author: Topaz gas station

They're like his version of the Schuyler Sisters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102875)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:09 AM
Author: Insecure Amethyst Party Of The First Part

"Luckily almost everybody else was new at it so I blended in fine and one person even praised me as surprisingly good for a total beginner."

One... person said that? Charles, was it a man or a woman? If a woman, was she alone and hence a potential date? Or was she NOT alone, paired off with someone, and therefore we can safely assume she's constantly getting questions from her friends like "I love that you have a guy who will go dancing, how do I get that?" Or was it just the sort of social lubrication used to keep newcomers in the game, the exact sort of low level praise you doubtless have given to board game players?

More broadly, that the OP didn't elaborate on these potential dynamics makes me worry that you might not be engaging with this problem to the best of your ability. For our extremely limited purposes here, there's no such thing as "a person"; there's men and women and each can be subdivided into "taken" or "single" and so on as needed. For a good bro like you, being the sort of single guy that a married friend knows and can at least sort of vouch for is incredibly helpful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088791)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:13 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Compliment was from a dude, the other guy in a four pack. Compliment came when girl (one of the quails) asked what other dancing I did and I admitted this was the first structured dancing I'd ever done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088801)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:57 AM
Author: concupiscible generalized bond genital piercing

Describe the unstructured dancing experiences.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088918)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 6:48 AM
Author: Fragrant stage mad-dog skullcap

just straight jamming out to a colonial fife and drum band

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089011)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:22 AM
Author: hot psychic dilemma

177.6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089163)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:23 AM
Author: Fragrant stage mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089164)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:46 AM
Author: Self-absorbed trust fund



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089201)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089733)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: federal site milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090853)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:28 PM
Author: Plum Son Of Senegal Theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090890)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:20 PM
Author: Passionate ape

I didn't get this the first time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36094097)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:23 AM
Author: multi-colored bisexual police squad

You're a huge fucking dork

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089165)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:38 AM
Author: Sooty giraffe immigrant

don't even pretend like you haven't done line dancing with your xo boyfriends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089713)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: federal site milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090847)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:50 AM
Author: Swashbuckling olive abode gay wizard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095430)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 8:13 AM
Author: Plum Son Of Senegal Theater

CharlesXII is a nigga that don't dance but he makes moves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095135)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:29 AM
Author: Frisky people who are hurt

180!

Also, describe your thoughts on Midwest vs. East Coast Catholicism. I'm sure the former are more politically conservative than the latter, of course. As a Midwest Catholicmo, the biggest difference to me was whether people hold hands during the Lord's Prayer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089178)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:56 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

That's one gap, but I mostly focused on how there's a more explicit "Trad/non-Trad" split in the East, with old-school Catholics attending Latin Mass, joining their own groups, etc. as a byproduct of so much Eastern Catholicism being politically and theologically liberal. In the Midwest there's a greater assumption of orthodoxy which ironically means the Mass itself is less traditional because people feel less need to push back against novus ordo stuff. So churches back in my hometown pretty much never hold Latin services and there's a lot of annoying services that have guitars and evangelical megachurch-style music.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089216)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 9:00 AM
Author: Frisky people who are hurt

Cr makes a lot of sense. The guitars/megachurch style stuff aptly summarizes the church I attended growing up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089222)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 9:02 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

I suppose that's also just a byproduct of evangelicals existing as competition. Almost nobody in the urban Northeast is evangelical (besides some Hispanics, actually) but maybe 1/3 of Christians in the Midwest are these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089228)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 9:01 AM
Author: hot psychic dilemma

Yucko to the guitars and mega church.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089226)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:34 AM
Author: brindle twisted corner

expect massive competition for you in the quail family. play the whole field to keep them all interested and jealous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089692)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:44 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

the moment he picks one the other four are going to turn on him and go 100% catty. he needs to bring along four other poasters so they each have a match

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089744)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: Fragrant stage mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090854)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: aromatic persian

He should hook the other 4 up with DC poasters and they can have a mass marriage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090871)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:38 AM
Author: aggressive boltzmann nowag

lol 180

reverse big willie style pwnage on girl who ghosted you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089712)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: Fragrant stage mad-dog skullcap

so just to be clear: over the last 2 weeks, you've gotten 2 phone numbers from 2 of the 5 quail sisters, and you have not asked either of them out?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090857)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: hot psychic dilemma

In this one special case, I am maaaaybe ok with him seeing the family a time or two more to determine which sister he prefers, since they all seem like objectively good matches and good odds, but it might be a difficult trick to pull off dating another one if he doesn’t hit it off with the first. It’s not impossible by any means but that’ll be delicate to pull off.

Although if one of them is obviously cuter/more interesting/whatever and he’s figured that out already, he should go for it soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090993)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:20 PM
Author: Passionate ape

This is a sitcom situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36094102)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: Bearded magenta center background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090864)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:17 PM
Author: Soul-stirring theater stage mental disorder

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36094080)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 8:40 AM
Author: 180 property lettuce

Holy shit. 180. You’re killing it. I like your growing confidence in getting out there. Must really be getting in good shape. Goes hand-in-hand.

Two things missing:

1) With whom was “The Canceler” attending the dance?

2) Did you go solo or with someone?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095188)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

1. Don't know. She was talking to several different guys throughout the evening and didn't seem to favor any one in particular. She may have simply been there on her own or with a friend.

2. I rolled solo. Lots of people were there without an opposite-sex partner so it wasn't that weird.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095375)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:46 AM
Author: Plum Son Of Senegal Theater

180. I would hit up app sluts all day long, but never roll solo to something like that. That's pretty awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095408)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: 180 property lettuce

Proud of you, man.

BTW, I bet part of the reason The Canceler danced so poorly was because she was discombobulated by your presence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095442)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095457)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: Boyish internal respiration

DAMN what a slut

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095444)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: Sooty giraffe immigrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095798)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

surprising that quail hasn't become a MAJOR forcememe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095787)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Uh oh: Girl I danced/talked with the most on Saturday is apparently leaving the country for two months in about two weeks (State Dept-funded study abroad). CR would be to quickly ask her out before she heads off, right?

Possible concern: I haven't decided which of the sisters I like best; would asking out one effectively "reject" the others?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095859)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:01 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

no; yes

any other qs?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095866)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:01 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Well what is CR then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095873)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:05 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

you're going to have to figure out which one you like the most first. it's a warning sign that this isn't immediately obvious to you, as that suggests you don't *really* like any of them that much (more generously, it might reflect ur natural conservatism & caution).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095905)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095934)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: Plum Son Of Senegal Theater

consider the fact that he might like all of the sisters equally because they're likely similar in personality and temperament due to their upbringing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096028)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:27 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

I think we both know the tiebreaker here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096103)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Charismatic plaza

don't rush it unless you know for sure you like this one the best.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095929)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

What about all that stuff about getting friend zoned?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095939)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:12 AM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression

I think in this case its better to not rush and pick the wrong sister. Harder to overcome 'you liked/ dated my sister' than it is to overcome the friendzone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095967)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

Worst case scenario is dating one girl and later realizing he liked a sister better. Or marrying one girl and spending the rest of your life fantasizing about porking another sister.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095977)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression

That too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095982)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:10 AM
Author: Pontificating filthpig

yes / yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095948)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: Plum Son Of Senegal Theater

The other thing to consider is that one of these sisters may like you more than the others. If you pick the wrong one, they may reject you because they know that one of the other sisters has stronger feelings for you.

Do you have any idea which one you think likes you best?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096072)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096873)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: 180 property lettuce

TITMFCR

You need to figure out which one, if any, likes you the best. There should be signals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096890)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:04 PM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

pass them a note with "do u like me check y/n"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096917)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:07 PM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression

I told him to approach their father and say 'im looking for a wife. Which of your dotters will you give me?'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096936)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

Nah you have to start negotiations from a position of strength. Demand the two hottest daughters, plus a dozen quail as a dowry. Force him to make the counter-offer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096967)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:11 PM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096974)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: Plum Son Of Senegal Theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36097786)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: exciting vermilion spot

all this shit seems like some form of punishment, not entertainment. i'd pull my fucking hair our being surrounded by so many squares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095918)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Ah, but my hair already fell out. That's the difference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095930)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095955)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: Plum Son Of Senegal Theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096034)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:01 PM
Author: 180 property lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096892)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:05 PM
Author: Submissive very tactful mood locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096921)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: Insecure Amethyst Party Of The First Part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36097782)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: mentally impaired frozen tanning salon french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096031)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:22 AM
Author: mentally impaired frozen tanning salon french chef

was her excuse for cancelling on you in conflict with her attendance at this event

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096051)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

No, our date was scheduled for a good 6 hours earlier in the day, and when she canceled she just bluntly said she wasn't interested anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096069)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:07 PM
Author: Submissive very tactful mood locus

that's tough to do, esp for girls. she sounds credited as fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096934)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 12:54 PM
Author: Orchid place of business therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096840)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:34 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

Update: Asked out one of the sisters, got shot down. That simplifies the possibilities a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102558)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:35 AM
Author: drunken coiffed knife school

lol shit man, describe the act of asking her out and her response tyia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102662)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:42 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

I got her # during the dance, started chatting with her a good bit tonight by following up on stuff we'd discussed that night. Went on for about an hour and I was getting a positive vibe (humor, quips that felt mildly flirty, etc) so I just asked if she was free to meet up in person in the next week or so. Got this in response:

"Thank you! You seem like a barrel of fun person, and I could probably arrange a group something, but I would want to make it clear that I'm not in the place to date at the moment. It wouldn't be very kind not to say so now, I think."

Quite definitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102669)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:48 AM
Author: Cobalt Flatulent Hissy Fit Pervert

describe what's happening to your self-esteem and confidence as you get rejected multiple times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102675)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:54 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

I've certainly felt better but frankly my self-esteem and confidence have always been shit so they don't have far to fall. I'm recovering from each successive failure a little faster, at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102680)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:43 AM
Author: 180 property lettuce

i view this as a positive. you went for it. that illustrates the yuge strides you are making and it is absolutely essential to the process.

there are tons of people out there who never even make it to that step.

it's sort of like building an immunity -- gotta absorb multiple small doses of poison to strengthen the body's response.

keep doing everything you are doing and something will break positively.

i analogize it to how i learned to throw a knuckleball. all my childhood that's all i wanted to do. i practiced, and practiced, and recorded and watched slow mo film of tim wakefield, and kept trying over and over. and then, one day, the universe was like, "okay, you've put your work in. i will turn the key for you." and then, out of nowhere, there it was. no spin. the ball taking off in crazy directions. people being unable to catch it. one of the greatest thrills of my life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102983)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 3:09 AM
Author: drunken coiffed knife school

this isn't NEARLY as bad as the other chick

she could very well be telling the truth, and it really doesn't have much to do with you specifically. even if it's you, at least she's being kind about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102689)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 3:12 AM
Author: thirsty cerebral gunner telephone

Yeah this could have been worse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102696)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

That merely makes it unpleasant in a different, arguably worse way. With the first chick, it's more immediately unpleasant, but comes with the realization "oh, she may be kind of crappy, so it's fine it didn't work." In this case, the only new information is that I'm not appealing to her.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36105128)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:26 PM
Author: Lime church building queen of the night

you need to ask out the girl who is leaving on her state dept trip. once she's gone, you're forgotten

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36105154)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

That was the girl who dinged me, and I approached her first for that reason.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36105179)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:47 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

you should not be talking to girls irl then asking them out by text.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102864)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:58 AM
Author: Topaz gas station

wow, nice people are just different than us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102877)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 8:52 AM
Author: Plum Son Of Senegal Theater

I think we need to work on your ability to discern whether girls are actually interested in you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36103161)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:48 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

That would be nice I suppose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36103483)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:50 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

I really can't stress what a bad idea what it was to do this by text. how long did it take her to respond?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36103492)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: Plum Son Of Senegal Theater

no sense in dwelling on it.

Back to the dating apps...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36103498)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:54 AM
Author: Useless parlour volcanic crater

About a minute. We'd been going back and forth for about an hour at a pace where I was clearly holding her attention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36103521)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: Pontificating filthpig

white people shit on arranged marriages, but they exist for people like charles. he's relegated to being some dancing monkey now, it's degrading

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36103503)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:53 AM
Author: Coral pozpig legal warrant

completely agreed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36103519)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:31 PM
Author: Mind-boggling violent mother indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36105222)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:32 PM
Author: Sooty giraffe immigrant

he's breaking out of the dancing monkey frame, breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36105241)