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Learned to waltz at a church dance tonight (CharlesXII)

Today was supposed to be the date on the Mall, but I got sav...
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/20/18
1 billion
Flirting masturbator
  05/20/18
btw contra dancing was a major old school pr/xo meme
Flirting masturbator
  05/20/18
Cr
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  05/20/18
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Vivacious circlehead
  05/20/18
What is contra dancing?
Vivacious circlehead
  05/20/18
Apparently a key feature is that couples form lines: http...
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/20/18
Tbf the meme was 'what is contra dancing?' followed by a lon...
Vivacious circlehead
  05/20/18
Shit
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/20/18
Cr
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this has to be flame
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  05/20/18
What seems flame about it? I admit running into the girl who...
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/20/18
sounds like a fun night. it's great that you're going out an...
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  05/20/18
This event was pretty even overall, based on the fact dancin...
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  05/20/18
describe age range and how many hot females there were
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  05/20/18
Age range seemed about 20-35 with 24-28 probably the most co...
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/20/18
Why is the cancellation girl such a bitch
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  05/20/18
Hey now, be nice. I don't know why she canceled and I'm gues...
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/20/18
is she normally a bit socially awkward?
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I've only interacted with her a couple times. I basically as...
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/20/18
that's plenty of time to gauge social skills
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  05/20/18
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The quail family is your destiny. Embrace it.
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Regardless of whether anything happens they're a fascinating...
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/20/18
see if you can get them to poast!
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  05/20/18
See OP here: http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=39...
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/20/18
nice
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I thought you misspelled Quayle
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"Luckily almost everybody else was new at it so I blend...
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cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/20/18
Describe the unstructured dancing experiences.
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just straight jamming out to a colonial fife and drum band
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I didn't get this the first time.
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don't even pretend like you haven't done line dancing with y...
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CharlesXII is a nigga that don't dance but he makes moves
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  05/20/18
Cr makes a lot of sense. The guitars/megachurch style stuff...
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  05/20/18
Yucko to the guitars and mega church.
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surprising that quail hasn't become a MAJOR forcememe
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Uh oh: Girl I danced/talked with the most on Saturday is app...
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/21/18
no; yes any other qs?
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  05/21/18
Well what is CR then?
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/21/18
you're going to have to figure out which one you like the mo...
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consider the fact that he might like all of the sisters equa...
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  05/21/18
I think we both know the tiebreaker here
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  05/21/18
don't rush it unless you know for sure you like this one the...
Turquoise Native
  05/21/18
What about all that stuff about getting friend zoned?
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/21/18
I think in this case its better to not rush and pick the wro...
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That too
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TITMFCR You need to figure out which one, if any, likes y...
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pass them a note with "do u like me check y/n"
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  05/21/18
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Update: Asked out one of the sisters, got shot down. That si...
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  05/22/18
lol shit man, describe the act of asking her out and her res...
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I got her # during the dance, started chatting with her a go...
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  05/22/18
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  05/22/18
I've certainly felt better but frankly my self-esteem and co...
cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs
  05/22/18
i view this as a positive. you went for it. that illustrates...
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  05/22/18
this isn't NEARLY as bad as the other chick she could very ...
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  05/22/18
Yeah this could have been worse
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  05/22/18
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  05/22/18
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  05/22/18
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  05/22/18
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  05/22/18
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  05/22/18
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  05/22/18
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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:20 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Today was supposed to be the date on the Mall, but I got savagely canceled on a few days ago as most of you know. I figured the CR was to soldier on and keep thing-doing, so tonight I went to a contra dancing event held at a Catholic school in Alexandria. I'd literally never intentionally gone dancing so it was a very new experience. Luckily almost everybody else was new at it so I blended in fine and one person even praised me as surprisingly good for a total beginner.

Amusingly and awkwardly, the girl who canceled on me was there and we briefly danced together during a big circle dance that involved constantly swapping partners. I said hello and she said nothing while avoiding eye contact and frankly dancing rather poorly. Yikes!

On the plus side, two members of the quail family were there, though not the oldest one I spoke the most two last week. This time I spent a lot of time talking to the middle member. We chatted about literature, education policy (she asked me about it, not flame), and the differences between Midwestern and East Coast Catholicism. She also taught me how to do a basic waltz after the organized dancing was over. A bunch of us went to Bob and Edith's on Columbia Pike afterward but I spent most of the time talking to the two quailers along with a tall Catholic Chad who was in the band at the dance. We discussed his interest in going to law school and I think I persuaded him not to go.

I got the # of the girl I talked to the most. She also offered to lend me a copy of Gogol's Dead Souls which I accepted as an easy excuse for future in-person interactions. She should also be singing at my church on Sunday morning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088696)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:25 AM
Author: Flirting masturbator

1 billion

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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:26 AM
Author: Flirting masturbator

btw contra dancing was a major old school pr/xo meme

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088708)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:52 AM
Author: yapping location

Cr

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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:18 AM
Author: Vivacious circlehead



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:18 AM
Author: Vivacious circlehead

What is contra dancing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088813)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:20 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Apparently a key feature is that couples form lines:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra_dance

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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:31 AM
Author: Vivacious circlehead

Tbf the meme was 'what is contra dancing?' followed by a long explanation, but ty!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088863)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:33 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Shit

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Date: May 20th, 2018 4:05 AM
Author: yapping location

Cr

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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:23 AM
Author: ultramarine market mood

Can anyone find one of those old threads? I made a medium-low effort search but couldn’t.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089167)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:23 PM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:21 AM
Author: appetizing gold parlour



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:27 AM
Author: Motley buff quadroon

this has to be flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088711)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:28 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

What seems flame about it? I admit running into the girl who canceled in me was funny but given I first met her at a different NoVa Catholic event it's not that weird.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088714)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:30 AM
Author: pale marketing idea public bath

sounds like a fun night. it's great that you're going out and meeting people. if you continue to meet people and do things and enjoy yourself in the process, i have no doubt you'll meet the woman you marry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088718)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:31 AM
Author: excitant famous landscape painting den

Nice work bro.

You're taking it in stride which is key.

Who cancelled on you? I missed that story arc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088721)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:31 AM
Author: Flirting masturbator

what is the male/female ratio at catholic young singles events

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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:35 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

This event was pretty even overall, based on the fact dancing requires an opposite sex partner and almost nobody was sitting out each dance.

Not really sure what the average is as I haven't been deliberately hitting these events very long.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088732)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:43 AM
Author: Flirting masturbator

describe age range and how many hot females there were

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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:54 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Age range seemed about 20-35 with 24-28 probably the most common group. Wide range of attractiveness but definitely some cute chicks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088766)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:32 AM
Author: Mustard Space Trump Supporter

Why is the cancellation girl such a bitch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088727)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:36 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Hey now, be nice. I don't know why she canceled and I'm guessing she just found it awkward (or maybe she thought my hello during the dance was passive aggressive/sinister, idk).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088736)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:38 AM
Author: pale marketing idea public bath

is she normally a bit socially awkward?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088742)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:40 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

I've only interacted with her a couple times. I basically asked her out after talking to her at a dinner for like an hour.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088745)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:43 AM
Author: pale marketing idea public bath

that's plenty of time to gauge social skills

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088750)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:37 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Also, 100-book quest continues to fascinate people who hear about it so that's nice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088740)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:21 AM
Author: Hairraiser lime dilemma



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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:55 AM
Author: electric fat ankles useless brakes

The quail family is your destiny. Embrace it.

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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:01 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Regardless of whether anything happens they're a fascinating family and I love talking to all of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088780)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:22 AM
Author: jade personal credit line meetinghouse

see if you can get them to poast!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088828)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: ultramarine market mood

lol

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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:37 AM
Author: Maroon judgmental resort hominid



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:41 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:23 AM
Author: Hairraiser lime dilemma

You already have a plus here that might make it all worthwhile even if nothing else happens (and something else WILL happen in time).

180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088830)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:30 AM
Author: provocative lilac locus

wtf is a quail family

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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:32 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

See OP here:

http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3975337&mc=84&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088867)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:36 AM
Author: provocative lilac locus

nice

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Date: May 20th, 2018 7:03 AM
Author: cobalt abode

I thought you misspelled Quayle

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Date: May 21st, 2018 8:31 AM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:56 AM
Author: Vigorous Bipolar Point Idea He Suggested

They're like his version of the Schuyler Sisters.

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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:09 AM
Author: Disgusting glittery double fault stag film

"Luckily almost everybody else was new at it so I blended in fine and one person even praised me as surprisingly good for a total beginner."

One... person said that? Charles, was it a man or a woman? If a woman, was she alone and hence a potential date? Or was she NOT alone, paired off with someone, and therefore we can safely assume she's constantly getting questions from her friends like "I love that you have a guy who will go dancing, how do I get that?" Or was it just the sort of social lubrication used to keep newcomers in the game, the exact sort of low level praise you doubtless have given to board game players?

More broadly, that the OP didn't elaborate on these potential dynamics makes me worry that you might not be engaging with this problem to the best of your ability. For our extremely limited purposes here, there's no such thing as "a person"; there's men and women and each can be subdivided into "taken" or "single" and so on as needed. For a good bro like you, being the sort of single guy that a married friend knows and can at least sort of vouch for is incredibly helpful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088791)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:13 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Compliment was from a dude, the other guy in a four pack. Compliment came when girl (one of the quails) asked what other dancing I did and I admitted this was the first structured dancing I'd ever done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088801)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:57 AM
Author: Arousing lake office

Describe the unstructured dancing experiences.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36088918)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 6:48 AM
Author: Buck-toothed cream temple

just straight jamming out to a colonial fife and drum band

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089011)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:22 AM
Author: ultramarine market mood

177.6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089163)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:23 AM
Author: Buck-toothed cream temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089164)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:46 AM
Author: insecure karate hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089201)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089733)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: Chrome Learning Disabled Faggot Firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090853)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:28 PM
Author: indigo insanely creepy stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090890)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:20 PM
Author: Cracking box office

I didn't get this the first time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36094097)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:23 AM
Author: Citrine mother goyim

You're a huge fucking dork

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089165)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:38 AM
Author: Maroon judgmental resort hominid

don't even pretend like you haven't done line dancing with your xo boyfriends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089713)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: Chrome Learning Disabled Faggot Firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090847)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:50 AM
Author: disrespectful center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095430)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 8:13 AM
Author: indigo insanely creepy stage

CharlesXII is a nigga that don't dance but he makes moves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095135)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:29 AM
Author: ocher nighttime hunting ground toaster

180!

Also, describe your thoughts on Midwest vs. East Coast Catholicism. I'm sure the former are more politically conservative than the latter, of course. As a Midwest Catholicmo, the biggest difference to me was whether people hold hands during the Lord's Prayer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089178)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 8:56 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

That's one gap, but I mostly focused on how there's a more explicit "Trad/non-Trad" split in the East, with old-school Catholics attending Latin Mass, joining their own groups, etc. as a byproduct of so much Eastern Catholicism being politically and theologically liberal. In the Midwest there's a greater assumption of orthodoxy which ironically means the Mass itself is less traditional because people feel less need to push back against novus ordo stuff. So churches back in my hometown pretty much never hold Latin services and there's a lot of annoying services that have guitars and evangelical megachurch-style music.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089216)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 9:00 AM
Author: ocher nighttime hunting ground toaster

Cr makes a lot of sense. The guitars/megachurch style stuff aptly summarizes the church I attended growing up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089222)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 9:02 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

I suppose that's also just a byproduct of evangelicals existing as competition. Almost nobody in the urban Northeast is evangelical (besides some Hispanics, actually) but maybe 1/3 of Christians in the Midwest are these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089228)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 9:01 AM
Author: ultramarine market mood

Yucko to the guitars and mega church.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089226)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:34 AM
Author: Khaki Degenerate Azn

expect massive competition for you in the quail family. play the whole field to keep them all interested and jealous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089692)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:44 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

the moment he picks one the other four are going to turn on him and go 100% catty. he needs to bring along four other poasters so they each have a match

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089744)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: Buck-toothed cream temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090854)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: diverse whorehouse

He should hook the other 4 up with DC poasters and they can have a mass marriage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090871)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:38 AM
Author: Dashing Pervert

lol 180

reverse big willie style pwnage on girl who ghosted you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36089712)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: Buck-toothed cream temple

so just to be clear: over the last 2 weeks, you've gotten 2 phone numbers from 2 of the 5 quail sisters, and you have not asked either of them out?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090857)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: ultramarine market mood

In this one special case, I am maaaaybe ok with him seeing the family a time or two more to determine which sister he prefers, since they all seem like objectively good matches and good odds, but it might be a difficult trick to pull off dating another one if he doesn’t hit it off with the first. It’s not impossible by any means but that’ll be delicate to pull off.

Although if one of them is obviously cuter/more interesting/whatever and he’s figured that out already, he should go for it soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090993)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:20 PM
Author: Cracking box office

This is a sitcom situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36094102)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: Pearly racy business firm striped hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36090864)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:17 PM
Author: Sickened nursing home

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36094080)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 8:40 AM
Author: high-end electric furnace haunted graveyard

Holy shit. 180. You’re killing it. I like your growing confidence in getting out there. Must really be getting in good shape. Goes hand-in-hand.

Two things missing:

1) With whom was “The Canceler” attending the dance?

2) Did you go solo or with someone?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095188)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

1. Don't know. She was talking to several different guys throughout the evening and didn't seem to favor any one in particular. She may have simply been there on her own or with a friend.

2. I rolled solo. Lots of people were there without an opposite-sex partner so it wasn't that weird.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095375)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:46 AM
Author: indigo insanely creepy stage

180. I would hit up app sluts all day long, but never roll solo to something like that. That's pretty awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095408)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: high-end electric furnace haunted graveyard

Proud of you, man.

BTW, I bet part of the reason The Canceler danced so poorly was because she was discombobulated by your presence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095442)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095457)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: Vivacious circlehead

DAMN what a slut

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095444)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: Maroon judgmental resort hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095798)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

surprising that quail hasn't become a MAJOR forcememe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095787)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Uh oh: Girl I danced/talked with the most on Saturday is apparently leaving the country for two months in about two weeks (State Dept-funded study abroad). CR would be to quickly ask her out before she heads off, right?

Possible concern: I haven't decided which of the sisters I like best; would asking out one effectively "reject" the others?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095859)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:01 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

no; yes

any other qs?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095866)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:01 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Well what is CR then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095873)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:05 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

you're going to have to figure out which one you like the most first. it's a warning sign that this isn't immediately obvious to you, as that suggests you don't *really* like any of them that much (more generously, it might reflect ur natural conservatism & caution).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095905)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095934)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: indigo insanely creepy stage

consider the fact that he might like all of the sisters equally because they're likely similar in personality and temperament due to their upbringing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096028)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:27 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

I think we both know the tiebreaker here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096103)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Turquoise Native

don't rush it unless you know for sure you like this one the best.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095929)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

What about all that stuff about getting friend zoned?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095939)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:12 AM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican

I think in this case its better to not rush and pick the wrong sister. Harder to overcome 'you liked/ dated my sister' than it is to overcome the friendzone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095967)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

Worst case scenario is dating one girl and later realizing he liked a sister better. Or marrying one girl and spending the rest of your life fantasizing about porking another sister.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095977)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican

That too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095982)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:10 AM
Author: Laughsome claret shrine

yes / yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095948)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: indigo insanely creepy stage

The other thing to consider is that one of these sisters may like you more than the others. If you pick the wrong one, they may reject you because they know that one of the other sisters has stronger feelings for you.

Do you have any idea which one you think likes you best?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096072)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096873)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: high-end electric furnace haunted graveyard

TITMFCR

You need to figure out which one, if any, likes you the best. There should be signals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096890)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:04 PM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

pass them a note with "do u like me check y/n"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096917)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:07 PM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican

I told him to approach their father and say 'im looking for a wife. Which of your dotters will you give me?'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096936)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

Nah you have to start negotiations from a position of strength. Demand the two hottest daughters, plus a dozen quail as a dowry. Force him to make the counter-offer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096967)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:11 PM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096974)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: indigo insanely creepy stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36097786)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: Razzle sepia property

all this shit seems like some form of punishment, not entertainment. i'd pull my fucking hair our being surrounded by so many squares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095918)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Ah, but my hair already fell out. That's the difference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095930)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36095955)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: indigo insanely creepy stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096034)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:01 PM
Author: high-end electric furnace haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096892)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:05 PM
Author: pale marketing idea public bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096921)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: Disgusting glittery double fault stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36097782)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: milky nudist toilet seat crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096031)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:22 AM
Author: milky nudist toilet seat crotch

was her excuse for cancelling on you in conflict with her attendance at this event

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096051)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

No, our date was scheduled for a good 6 hours earlier in the day, and when she canceled she just bluntly said she wasn't interested anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096069)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 1:07 PM
Author: pale marketing idea public bath

that's tough to do, esp for girls. she sounds credited as fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096934)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 12:54 PM
Author: swashbuckling therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36096840)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:34 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

Update: Asked out one of the sisters, got shot down. That simplifies the possibilities a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102558)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:35 AM
Author: fragrant brilliant crackhouse

lol shit man, describe the act of asking her out and her response tyia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102662)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:42 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

I got her # during the dance, started chatting with her a good bit tonight by following up on stuff we'd discussed that night. Went on for about an hour and I was getting a positive vibe (humor, quips that felt mildly flirty, etc) so I just asked if she was free to meet up in person in the next week or so. Got this in response:

"Thank you! You seem like a barrel of fun person, and I could probably arrange a group something, but I would want to make it clear that I'm not in the place to date at the moment. It wouldn't be very kind not to say so now, I think."

Quite definitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102669)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:48 AM
Author: Supple heaven

describe what's happening to your self-esteem and confidence as you get rejected multiple times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102675)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:54 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

I've certainly felt better but frankly my self-esteem and confidence have always been shit so they don't have far to fall. I'm recovering from each successive failure a little faster, at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102680)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:43 AM
Author: high-end electric furnace haunted graveyard

i view this as a positive. you went for it. that illustrates the yuge strides you are making and it is absolutely essential to the process.

there are tons of people out there who never even make it to that step.

it's sort of like building an immunity -- gotta absorb multiple small doses of poison to strengthen the body's response.

keep doing everything you are doing and something will break positively.

i analogize it to how i learned to throw a knuckleball. all my childhood that's all i wanted to do. i practiced, and practiced, and recorded and watched slow mo film of tim wakefield, and kept trying over and over. and then, one day, the universe was like, "okay, you've put your work in. i will turn the key for you." and then, out of nowhere, there it was. no spin. the ball taking off in crazy directions. people being unable to catch it. one of the greatest thrills of my life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102983)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 3:09 AM
Author: fragrant brilliant crackhouse

this isn't NEARLY as bad as the other chick

she could very well be telling the truth, and it really doesn't have much to do with you specifically. even if it's you, at least she's being kind about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102689)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 3:12 AM
Author: Hairraiser lime dilemma

Yeah this could have been worse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102696)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

That merely makes it unpleasant in a different, arguably worse way. With the first chick, it's more immediately unpleasant, but comes with the realization "oh, she may be kind of crappy, so it's fine it didn't work." In this case, the only new information is that I'm not appealing to her.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36105128)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:26 PM
Author: crystalline unholy stock car rigor

you need to ask out the girl who is leaving on her state dept trip. once she's gone, you're forgotten

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36105154)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

That was the girl who dinged me, and I approached her first for that reason.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36105179)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:47 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

you should not be talking to girls irl then asking them out by text.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102864)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:58 AM
Author: Vigorous Bipolar Point Idea He Suggested

wow, nice people are just different than us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36102877)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 8:52 AM
Author: indigo insanely creepy stage

I think we need to work on your ability to discern whether girls are actually interested in you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36103161)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:48 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

That would be nice I suppose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981843&forum_id=2#36103483)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:50 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

I really can't stress what a bad idea what it was to do this by text. how long did it take her to respond?

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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: indigo insanely creepy stage

no sense in dwelling on it.

Back to the dating apps...

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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:54 AM
Author: cerise heady scourge upon the earth hairy legs

About a minute. We'd been going back and forth for about an hour at a pace where I was clearly holding her attention.

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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: Laughsome claret shrine

white people shit on arranged marriages, but they exist for people like charles. he's relegated to being some dancing monkey now, it's degrading

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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:53 AM
Author: stirring institution trust fund

completely agreed.

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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:31 PM
Author: Wonderful jet church building mexican



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:32 PM
Author: Maroon judgmental resort hominid

he's breaking out of the dancing monkey frame, breh

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