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Houston law students try to force dean out b/c of rankings
redacre  04/11/06
but they are the ones causing the ranking to drop by having ...
enchilada of evil  04/11/06
I think the group is more concerned about the few sub-par ad...
redacre  04/11/06
...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/11/06
here's the LSN profile I referenced
redacre  04/11/06
...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/11/06
everybody does it http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display...
dookie  04/11/06
that's unusual. im a urm with higher numbers and got the wl
This name will be used on all future posts you mak  04/12/06
I don't think it's real.
Emo Kid  05/04/06
how the fuck does anyone get WL'd at cornell with a 152?
unbearablevanity  04/11/06
Hm. That bothers me.
crymeariver  04/11/06
because URMs like me get in with a 167 and then don't respon...
Marty Lipton  04/12/06
just for the record, even if she had subpar stats for the sc...
-+-_===  05/04/06
Diversity is our strength.
tttrue confessions  04/11/06
Yep. You have dumb students, ignorant students, stupid stud...
David Lowery  04/11/06
And extra chromosomes too.
im_blue  04/11/06
Look at the forehead on that one!
Window Licker  04/17/06
variety
NYCESQ2005  05/04/06
Believe it or not idiot, American URM's generally make up ar...
expatriot  10/21/07
I'm all for AA, but adding 9 to 10% of lower scorers to the ...
IT'S MY BIRTHDAY  10/21/07
of course it affects the 25th and 75th percentiles you stupi...
AK47  10/21/07
...
Long_duck_dong  04/11/06
quality
Calm Before the Storm  04/12/06
hahaha
Random_Sequence_of_Punctuation_Marks  03/26/08
"do they want the dean to go back in time and reject th...
clerkity_clerk  03/26/08
1) its a school in texas, enough said
pittlaw  04/12/06
pathetic
gridlocker  04/11/06
For serious?
David Lowery  04/11/06
part of an e-mail going around:
redacre  04/11/06
To be fair, women are terrible at everything.
David Lowery  04/11/06
That pretty muchs sums it up Deaning doesn't involve cook...
ryanbowen  04/12/06
i especially enjoyed this part: "After all, Dean Rap...
Calm Before the Storm  04/12/06
That's pure gold. Almost as hilarious as "the bus of l...
xoxo  04/17/06
Was that the UF incident?
Window Licker  04/17/06
"Be aware that Prof. Guerra-Thompson is moderating a me...
Sweep the Leg Johnny  04/17/06
they were 70th this year, 65th one year ago and 59th the yea...
dookie  04/11/06
Southern Methodist is now at #43, and Baylor is at #51 -- bo...
redacre  04/11/06
Houston was ranked above those schools I believe from the ti...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/11/06
good point but employers in south texas who liked houston...
dookie  04/11/06
...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/11/06
It could translate to employers not going as deep in the cla...
N for Notorious  04/11/06
Well said. Of course Houston will never be a nattional scho...
richardvf  04/11/06
agreed, falling from the 50s to t3 would be a disaster for a...
dookie  04/11/06
Yeah, when I was contingency-planning half a year ago in cas...
N for Notorious  04/11/06
Did the Dean really cry at the meeting? I have a hard time ...
rickvaughn  04/12/06
Houston has a law school?
A Simple Asian Man  04/11/06
Not for long...
David Lowery  04/11/06
two, in fact
I like the way ya Gwerk it  09/11/07
Three actually.
A guy at your high school  10/21/07
UH, TSU, STCL
I like the way ya Gwerk it  10/21/07
the answer: more books for the library + how do your student...
unbearablevanity  04/11/06
OR get rid of the retarded liberal change the world bitch de...
David Lowery  04/11/06
This would be a good spot to post the pic of the retarded PC...
N for Notorious  04/11/06
that would have been a good post
loafer  04/12/06
That post probably would have been evaluated in the 171-174 ...
hello.jpg  04/12/06
If by "patching up," you mean moving across town -...
ryanbowen  04/12/06
Goes to show you that there are prestige whores everywhere, ...
Sachin Tendulkar  04/11/06
the drop has been steep and fast; if you went to, say, Unive...
redacre  04/11/06
a move from 50s to 70 is not anywhere near as big as from 15...
enchilada of evil  04/11/06
Agreed. They might as well stop requiring applicants to take...
174  04/11/06
I'm sure their rank will shoot up once the current dean resi...
174  04/11/06
your imagery, while vivid, does not make sense to me
loafer  04/12/06
this is an honest question: what school are you talking abou...
knowitall  04/11/06
University of Houston has a law school.
J.  04/12/06
...
[Board administrators control this account.]  04/12/06
This is like watching bums fight over crumbs. Or PVM student...
hello.jpg  04/12/06
SI SE PUEDE!
First Year Carl  04/12/06
More concerned with returning "our talents to the commu...
douchebag  04/12/06
Schools should hire their own grads for Dean. That way th...
ryanbowen  04/12/06
"while also finding time to win the women’s intramural ...
Window Licker  04/17/06
talk about slumming it.
wanksta  04/12/06
Honestly, people go to UH for the CHEAP tuition – YOU GET WH...
douchebag  04/12/06
Actually, I had an opportunity to attend UT, but decided on ...
redacre  04/12/06
Poor Rapaport goes from Stanford Law Review to putting up wi...
PrincetonLS_Dean  04/12/06
Do those Katrina Evacuees have to fuck everything up in Hous...
Done and done  04/12/06
You would be amazed at how much gets blamed on Katrina victi...
ryanbowen  04/12/06
you people have no one to blame but yourselves. tell the hou...
Esaias  04/12/06
You don't understand, the UH law students believe that they ...
douchebag  04/12/06
The law schools deans must crap their pants each year as Apr...
to the  04/12/06
Yeah, I do almost feel sorry for them. Students freak out w...
TroyMcClure  04/12/06
Houston now headed up in the rankings since -- "Whit...
,,,..,.,...,.,.,...,....,,.,.  04/12/06
preftigious
This name will be used on all future posts you mak  04/12/06
fantastic
Gene Parmesan  04/12/06
This is ridiculous. This is why after the top 50, they shou...
rickvaughn  04/12/06
I am pretty sure when I looked at US News in College (2002),...
ryanbowen  04/12/06
I actually think there is no difference starting at about 37...
David Lowery  04/12/06
there really isn't...it's a bunch of regional schools after ...
Herro_Radies  04/17/06
And the number really may be 32. I don't think you can get ...
Shane McGowan  04/17/06
hell, after the top 5, they should just . . .
Calm Before the Storm  04/12/06
Top 3, really.
Window Licker  04/17/06
subtle Columbia troll
-+-_===  05/04/06
The dean resigned last Thursday; announcement is at http://w...
Hazelrah  04/17/06
That last link doesn't seem to work anymore; the mailing lis...
Hazelrah  04/17/06
this dean cited gto and autoadmit in a law review article ...
jd09  04/17/06
She also cites "This is Spinal Tap" (MGM 2000 re-r...
Hazelrah  04/17/06
"The question remains: why don’t more law schools use s...
Window Licker  04/17/06
UH Law is for morons. Hopefully it will shut down and they ...
VernonMaxwell  04/17/06
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard about. I...
Great Teacher Onizuka  04/17/06
A friend of mine goes there and he made it seem as if this w...
JudgeDredd  04/17/06
I have a friend who's an alum there, and my understanding is...
Hazelrah  04/17/06
Unbelievable.
Great Teacher Onizuka  04/17/06
I assure you this was not solely based on the rankings. Thi...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
By "direction of the law school," do you mean down...
Hazelrah  04/17/06
No, I mean the direction of the law school. A certain group...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
Ah, I see. I don't necessarily think it's shocking, but it'...
Hazelrah  04/17/06
There were apparently other concerns involved as well. In a...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
Yeah, I'm impressed that Pepperdine is anywhere at all in th...
Hazelrah  04/17/06
Tom Delay needs a new job. He's a UHLC grad I believe. We ...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
No, he dropped out of Southern Meth or Bailor in UG He's ...
JohnPaulStevens  04/17/06
You're surprised that Pepperdine would send 3 students to LA...
........,,,.,....,.......,,,,.  04/17/06
I figured maybe there'd be maybe 1 or 2 Pepperdine summers m...
Hazelrah  04/17/06
I would guess that there is actually fewer than 1 Pepperdine...
........,,,.,....,.......,,,,.  04/17/06
Is there not a California publication that reports this info...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
There's the Recorder in SF that's pretty good on Cali firm n...
Hazelrah  04/17/06
Still ridiculous. The dean was there for six years, they sho...
Great Teacher Onizuka  04/17/06
Like I said, this isn't purely based on the rankings. There...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
The shamed dean and GTO have a little mutual admiration soci...
........,,,.,....,.......,,,,.  04/17/06
In other words, whether the school should move up or down in...
douchebag  04/17/06
Sure, if you want to phrase it that way, go ahead. If you r...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
You are right about UVA, they accept no state funding. Mich...
douchebag  04/17/06
UVA's only problem is that it still is at the mercy of the a...
JohnPaulStevens  04/17/06
"UVa and PEnn"--180
Buzz Killington  04/17/06
Wow, I missed that. Awesome.
Hazelrah  04/17/06
????? I wasn't comparing the quality of the schools. Tha...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
Penn has zero public funding. You know why? Penn is NOT A ...
rickvaughn  04/17/06
I thought it made the shift at one point in its history. I ...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
It is not clear from your post. In fact, it was clear from ...
rickvaughn  04/17/06
Clear or not, the answer to your question is yes, I know tha...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
Then why in the hell did you even mention them as an example...
rickvaughn  04/17/06
It was an example. If I was wrong, and apparently I am, the...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
"Penn has zero public funding. You know why? Penn is NO...
Mr. Polo  04/17/06
heh
This name will be used on all future posts you mak  04/17/06
Please tell me that you know that Penn is not public at all.
rickvaughn  04/17/06
? Joe Paterno's team lost to Michigan this year in big 10 fo...
Mr. Polo  04/17/06
"The budget has been tight over the past several years,...
douchebag  04/17/06
I was referring to the budget. Texas went from a deficit to...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
But how did UH Law Center come out?
douchebag  04/17/06
fare.
........,,,.,....,.......,,,,.  04/17/06
I know.
douchebag  04/17/06
Then why'd you type "fair"?
........,,,.,....,.......,,,,.  04/17/06
because I am a self professed douchebag
douchebag  05/04/06
I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you asking about the b...
Rev. Al Sharpton  04/17/06
Professor CRUMB: "Dean Rapoport, the students are revol...
derkad  04/17/06
the real tragedy here is that a flawed ranking in a news mag...
bosterone  04/17/06
"the real tragedy here is that a flawed ranking in a ne...
I Kill Children  04/17/06
Texas Bar
,,,..,.,...,.,.,...,....,,.,.  05/04/06
February Bar Results are pretty worthless. Think about it. ...
Done and done  05/04/06
The 64 Baylor fuck-ups managed a 96.88% pass rate. EDIT: ...
,,,..,.,...,.,.,...,....,,.,.  05/04/06
Baylor is on a crazy quarter system.
TroyMcClure  05/04/06
uhmmmm
NYCESQ2005  05/04/06
the stat given was for first-timers.
Done and done  05/04/06
rapobump
any major dood  09/11/07
So now that UH has a new, rankings oriented dean, how are th...
.;.; .;, : ... : ..,, ,,. ; ..,, .  09/11/07
UH Law Center At a Glance Profile of the 2007 Class ...
fiveten  09/11/07
Obviously, these are numbers for admitted students, not enro...
... ,. . ,. ,. , . ,., ., ., ., ., ...  09/13/07
no. 1. LSAT median increased 2 points (not really out of...
fiveten  09/13/07
Right, the median goes up by 2, but the 75% goes up by 3. ...
... ,. . ,. ,. , . ,., ., ., ., ., ...  09/13/07
wow, gpa is like 0.1 higher though
fiveten  09/13/07
or more like the median is .06 higher, i can't add
fiveten  09/13/07
WGWAG
I like the way ya Gwerk it  09/11/07
...
protectionist  11/23/07
it worked! http://www.abovethelaw.com/images/entries/US%20Ne...
rojan  03/26/08
the UH alums i know said that the old dean focused too much ...
ThatOtherGuy  03/26/08


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Date: April 11th, 2006 10:42 PM
Author: redacre
Subject: Houston law students try to force dean out b/c of rankings

About 100 law students showed up at faculty meeting to confront the dean over Houston's steady decline in the rankings. Reportedly, the dean broke into tears. There seems to be a serious movement to persuade the dean to resign.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564625)




Date: April 11th, 2006 10:46 PM
Author: enchilada of evil

but they are the ones causing the ranking to drop by having low GPAs and test scores. do they want the dean to go back in time and reject them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564634)




Date: April 11th, 2006 10:51 PM
Author: redacre

I think the group is more concerned about the few sub-par admits that bring down the average scores. Last year the school gave a full scholarship to someone with a 152/3.2. From what I can gather, the dean and others are big on AA and not so big on rankings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564653)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:14 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564762)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:19 PM
Author: redacre
Subject: here's the LSN profile I referenced

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=ScurvyWench



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564804)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564814)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:28 PM
Author: dookie

everybody does it

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=Jppadro

3.44/161 = columbia?

this is what is meant by the trickle down effect, if a 161 can go to columbia what kind of urms is houston going to get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564863)




Date: April 12th, 2006 1:16 AM
Author: This name will be used on all future posts you mak

that's unusual. im a urm with higher numbers and got the wl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565619)




Date: May 4th, 2006 5:35 PM
Author: Emo Kid

I don't think it's real.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5714257)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:32 PM
Author: unbearablevanity

how the fuck does anyone get WL'd at cornell with a 152?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564881)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:45 PM
Author: crymeariver

Hm. That bothers me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564977)




Date: April 12th, 2006 1:04 AM
Author: Marty Lipton

because URMs like me get in with a 167 and then don't respond, so they have to leave backup options?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565505)




Date: May 4th, 2006 11:27 PM
Author: -+-_=== (gonna shine on homie until the sun goes down)

just for the record, even if she had subpar stats for the school, i know for a fact she's currently near the very top of her class. so in that case, you can't really complain about her being "sub-par."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5716526)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:14 PM
Author: tttrue confessions

Diversity is our strength.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564763)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:18 PM
Author: David Lowery

Yep. You have dumb students, ignorant students, stupid students, poor students, redneck students, assholes students, students not admitted to any Tier 1 schools, students with 140s LSATs, students with 150s LSATs, students with 8 fingers.

Its a god damn melting pot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564796)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:30 PM
Author: im_blue

And extra chromosomes too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564870)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:59 PM
Author: Window Licker (Spazzing out for over two decades.)

Look at the forehead on that one!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600505)




Date: May 4th, 2006 4:46 PM
Author: NYCESQ2005
Subject: variety

thats right..just like you have short lawyers, tall lawyers, smart lawyers, stupid lawyers, lazy lawyers, accomplished lawyers, famous lawyers, disabled lawyers, aggressive lawyers...

and these lawyers are here to serve a list of clients full of..

smart americans, stupid americans, rich americans, poor americans, lazy americans, asshole ammericans, 2nd generation americans, disabled americans..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5714076)




Date: October 21st, 2007 1:54 PM
Author: expatriot

Believe it or not idiot, American URM's generally make up around 10% or less of the student body overall, so if you had basic math skills you would recognize that it wouldn't impact the 25th and 75th percentile scores, which is what is taken into account by U.S. News and World Report. Also, a large portion of that 10% would have been accepted without AA anyway. FYI - 9% of the student body at the University of Houston is African-American, Mexican-American, or Native American.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8795420)




Date: October 21st, 2007 2:21 PM
Author: IT'S MY BIRTHDAY

I'm all for AA, but adding 9 to 10% of lower scorers to the population will lower the 25th and 75th percentiles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8795513)




Date: October 21st, 2007 2:24 PM
Author: AK47

of course it affects the 25th and 75th percentiles you stupid fuck. where did you learn math nigger?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8795518)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: Long_duck_dong



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564713)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:22 PM
Author: Calm Before the Storm

quality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570235)




Date: March 26th, 2008 3:34 PM
Author: Random_Sequence_of_Punctuation_Marks

hahaha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#9534822)




Date: March 26th, 2008 4:27 PM
Author: clerkity_clerk

"do they want the dean to go back in time and reject them?"

180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#9535107)




Date: April 12th, 2006 6:17 PM
Author: pittlaw

1) its a school in texas, enough said

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5569750)




Date: April 11th, 2006 10:44 PM
Author: gridlocker (walter_bonatti@chamonix.com)

pathetic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564631)




Date: April 11th, 2006 10:46 PM
Author: David Lowery

For serious?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564637)




Date: April 11th, 2006 10:59 PM
Author: redacre
Subject: part of an e-mail going around:

Concerned Fellow UHLC Students:

Many of you were present for last Friday's Law Center faculty meeting - thank you to the 100+ that attended to show student concern for the state of affairs at our school. Those of you that were not present have surely heard all the details by now. A quick summary is in order.

The UHLC continued its sinking in the U.S. News & World Report law school rankings this year, but with a precipitous drop that has us tied for 70th place. What was previously our creep toward the third tier suddenly appears more like the Titanic on its way to the bottom. Naturally, faculty and students alike are concerned; let us not forget the thousands of alumni whose degrees are also depreciating as they hang on office walls around town and across the country.

When the dean eventually rolled around to the rankings (and to a lesser degree, the abominable Fall Semester class schedule that makes all students evening students), she again held the floor, to "spin" the agenda before hearing from students. We heard Dean Rapoport’s annual rhetoric about why the rankings don't work, why they don't reflect the quality of our school or education, and why she refuses to play the game that every other law school dean in the country plays in achieving respectable rankings. While it is true that the classes and education we receive each day may be no different or worse than they were last year, it is undeniable that the UHLC J.D. has steadily become worth less. It seems our dean cannot see this, in spite of its obviousness to those of us rapidly spending ourselves into debt on an equally-rapidly declining investment.

The reception of student remarks by Dean Rapoport was a tragedy that had to be witnessed to be appreciated. The dean ignored the students. The dean blamed the students. The dean blamed the faculty, even calling out one or two professors by name. The dean cried. . . After all, Dean Rapoport damages not just the law school - Newton teaches us that her own value as a dean anywhere will hit rock bottom at precisely the same moment our rankings reach impact. She has a deeply personal, vested interest in this debacle. While she may not be ready to leave her post, it seems only logical that she is likewise not ready to join the ranks of the academically unemployable. Better that she be given the opportunity to do the right thing, with dignity, on her own. We first need to create that environment, option, and incentive for the dean.

If such a genuine attempt proves unsuccessful, and Dean Rapoport entrenches herself and clings to her tenuous hold, then we need a contingent of faculty with the courage to stand up and say "enough is enough – we must save this school." I can personally guarantee a student turnout of over 500 at a faculty meeting where that happens - just schedule it for Krost Hall ahead of time. Once our alumni, students, and faculty have approached the dean about leaving on her own two feet, it will be much easier to paint a picture for the University administration. If we are forced down this uglier path, then we must make the right moves in the right way, making sure that the writing on the wall is crystal clear. What is clear? The right time is NOW.

I will distribute this message to every student I know how to reach via the law school mailing lists. I ask you in turn to distribute it to professors with whom you have close relationships. More importantly, please pass it along to all the alumni of the law school that you can reach. Help inform those who do not realize the magnitude and seriousness of what is happening at the law school - those that don't even know their law degrees are depreciating into oblivion. I assure you that they are invested in this disaster, that they need to know about it, and that at least some of them will become productively involved in helping us save this ship before the last deck slips below the water.

Best regards,

Deeply Troubled UHLC Student

OTHER IMPORTANT NOTES:

Be aware that Prof. Guerra-Thompson is moderating a meeting to discuss student views on rankings tomorrow at noon, 109BLB. Bring your own lunch.

Feel free to respond to this e-mail address, where messages will be stored and archived in case they are later needed. At some point I will investigate whether this can be set up as a Yahoo Group mailing list or internet forum for mass distribution, to help interest parties remain involved in what is sure to be an interesting and hopefully fruitful process.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564675)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:04 PM
Author: David Lowery

To be fair, women are terrible at everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564700)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:13 PM
Author: ryanbowen

That pretty muchs sums it up

Deaning doesn't involve cooking or cleaning, so she's out of luck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570147)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:25 PM
Author: Calm Before the Storm

i especially enjoyed this part:

"After all, Dean Rapoport damages not just the law school - Newton teaches us that her own value as a dean anywhere will hit rock bottom at precisely the same moment our rankings reach impact."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570255)




Date: April 17th, 2006 4:48 PM
Author: xoxo

That's pure gold. Almost as hilarious as "the bus of learning will roll, leaving me in the dust."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599502)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:32 PM
Author: Window Licker (Spazzing out for over two decades.)

Was that the UF incident?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600682)




Date: April 17th, 2006 5:00 PM
Author: Sweep the Leg Johnny (put him in a body bag!)

"Be aware that Prof. Guerra-Thompson is moderating a meeting to discuss student views on rankings tomorrow at noon, 109BLB. Bring your own lunch. "

I'll be there! With my lunch!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599550)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:09 PM
Author: dookie

they were 70th this year, 65th one year ago and 59th the year before that. they really cant expect to ever have a good national reputation which is 40% of the rankings but who cares? 91% of grads stay in state, it's silly to think they will ever have a national rep.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564719)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:14 PM
Author: redacre

Southern Methodist is now at #43, and Baylor is at #51 -- both regional schools in Texas. Houston used to be competitive with those schools and typically was ranked higher only a few years ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564765)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:17 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

Houston was ranked above those schools I believe from the time USNWR ranked at least 100 and about 2000 or so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564787)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:19 PM
Author: dookie

good point

but employers in south texas who liked houston grads before will still take them, and the rest of the country will still not care.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564799)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:23 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564836)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:25 PM
Author: N for Notorious

It could translate to employers not going as deep in the class though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564849)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:25 PM
Author: richardvf

Well said. Of course Houston will never be a nattional school. However, when I went to law school in Texas, it was a solid regional school. I think that most Houston students would be happy with a 50 ranking. I think the big fear the current students have is that their school will continue its downward trend out of the top 100 and into Tier 3 land with Texas Tech. Although the current students will have graduated if and when this occurs, the value of their degree will be depreciated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564850)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:30 PM
Author: dookie

agreed, falling from the 50s to t3 would be a disaster for any school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564873)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:37 PM
Author: N for Notorious

Yeah, when I was contingency-planning half a year ago in case I fucked up the LSAT, SMU/Houston/Baylor seemed to have roughly identical reputations from what I could gather. Now Houston is clearly worse. A tiny decline could have it straddling the third tier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564917)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:23 PM
Author: rickvaughn

Did the Dean really cry at the meeting? I have a hard time believing it. And do Houston students really think this is a big deal? You dropped five spots? You act like you went from 8th to 13th or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570245)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:19 PM
Author: A Simple Asian Man

Houston has a law school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564800)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:22 PM
Author: David Lowery

Not for long...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564823)




Date: September 11th, 2007 9:40 PM
Author: I like the way ya Gwerk it

two, in fact

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8629384)




Date: October 21st, 2007 2:05 PM
Author: A guy at your high school

Three actually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8795451)




Date: October 21st, 2007 2:24 PM
Author: I like the way ya Gwerk it

UH, TSU, STCL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8795519)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:36 PM
Author: unbearablevanity

the answer: more books for the library + how do your students feel about manning the phones in the career center?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564910)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:39 PM
Author: David Lowery

OR get rid of the retarded liberal change the world bitch dean in favor of someone who knows how to game numbers...women are about as good at math as men are at giving birth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564938)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:45 PM
Author: N for Notorious

This would be a good spot to post the pic of the retarded PCL students mixing plaster on the stairs(or whatever they were doing). Too bad I can't find it. Assuming I found the pic, my post would have read:

The building just needs a bit of patching up and UH will rocket back into the first tier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564982)




Date: April 12th, 2006 12:36 AM
Author: loafer

that would have been a good post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565325)




Date: April 12th, 2006 12:48 AM
Author: hello.jpg

That post probably would have been evaluated in the 171-174 range by other posters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565400)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:16 PM
Author: ryanbowen

If by "patching up," you mean moving across town - yes, that is correct.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570175)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:38 PM
Author: Sachin Tendulkar

Goes to show you that there are prestige whores everywhere, including TTTs.

Here's a tip, Houston Law students: if you cared so much about rankings and reputation, you shouldn't have gone to Houston!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564932)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:45 PM
Author: redacre

the drop has been steep and fast; if you went to, say, University of Texas five ago and in that time it dropped twenty ranks to 36, you might have reason for concern; if Houston goes TTT, most alumnus will be concerned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564975)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:51 PM
Author: enchilada of evil

a move from 50s to 70 is not anywhere near as big as from 15 to 30s. a lot of those T2 schools are interchangeable and considering the consolidation that USNEWS did this year (putting many schools into 1 ranking) a 5 point drop is virtually meaningless for houston.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565018)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:54 PM
Author: 174

Agreed. They might as well stop requiring applicants to take the LSAT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565033)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:44 PM
Author: 174

I'm sure their rank will shoot up once the current dean resigns. HEY IDIOTS, STOP GETTING 145s ON THE LSAT AND BENDING EACH OTHER OVER AND TAKING IT IN THE ASS, HTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5564970)




Date: April 12th, 2006 12:37 AM
Author: loafer

your imagery, while vivid, does not make sense to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565336)




Date: April 11th, 2006 11:56 PM
Author: knowitall

this is an honest question: what school are you talking about? UT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565048)




Date: April 12th, 2006 12:37 AM
Author: J. (I get my kicks up in the attic with a Kodak instamatic)

University of Houston has a law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565334)




Date: April 12th, 2006 12:18 AM
Author: [Board administrators control this account.] (HACKED)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565226)




Date: April 12th, 2006 12:27 AM
Author: hello.jpg

This is like watching bums fight over crumbs. Or PVM students fight over 7th and 8th place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565273)




Date: April 12th, 2006 12:30 AM
Author: First Year Carl

SI SE PUEDE!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565292)




Date: April 12th, 2006 12:32 AM
Author: douchebag

More concerned with returning "our talents to the community" than with rankings:

Nancy Rapoport

Nancy Rapoport ’82, dean of the University of Houston Law Center, has accomplished much in her relatively short career.

Rapoport graduated from Rice summa cum laude with a double major in legal studies and honors psychology. In 1985 she completed her doctorate of jurisprudence at Stanford, where she was a member of the Law Review and vice president of alumni programs, while also finding time to win the women’s intramural power-lifting competition.

From there Rapoport clerked for the renowned Joseph T. Sneed III of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, and then worked at the San Francisco firm Morrison & Foerster, where she specialized in bankruptcy law, the field in which she has established her national reputation.

In 1991, she returned to academia, when she became an associate professor at the Ohio State College of Law. Within three years she was a full professor with tenure. Rapoport was then named dean and professor of law at the University of Nebraska College of Law. In 2000 she returned to Houston to head up the UH Law Center.

Rapoport’s remarks upon her return to Houston give insight to what motivates her to accomplish so much: “Because our tuition is low, relative to that of private schools, we can educate those for whom a legal education — and the power that it brings — would not otherwise be possible. As a public law school, we have a moral obligation to return our talents to the community.”

http://www.media.rice.edu/media/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=2929&SnID=31375020



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565304)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:18 PM
Author: ryanbowen

Schools should hire their own grads for Dean.

That way the Dean will be concerned with making their school look good (all a Dean really does) instead of making the world a better place or some such thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570206)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:57 PM
Author: Window Licker (Spazzing out for over two decades.)

"while also finding time to win the women’s intramural power-lifting competition.'

BWAH, HAH, HAH!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600788)




Date: April 12th, 2006 12:36 AM
Author: wanksta

talk about slumming it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565328)




Date: April 12th, 2006 1:04 AM
Author: douchebag

Honestly, people go to UH for the CHEAP tuition – YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

Spending per student counts a lot in the rankings. The private schools like SMU and Baylor charge more, but they also spend more on their students’ educations. UT has its own law school endowment and is more adept at working the Texas Legislature (see below for an example from the last Appropriations Bill). However, even UT has a tough time with the Legislature these days.

US News uses medians for LSAT and GPAs, so the scores of minority students should not hurt unless URMs account for at least ½ the class. On the other hand, increasing the scores of non-URMs would help.

Let’s face it, the law school facility at UH is not up to par. Every time a hurricane blows through town, the underground library floods and half the books are ruined. Then it takes ten years to reacquire the lost books. The school is located in a bad part of town and is associated with a fourth-tier university.

Maybe Rapoport can use her Rice University connections to induce Rice and its new president (former dean of CLS) into taking over UH Law School. [I know this is far-fetched, but the school is going nowhere under the current arrangement.]

Rice University could then provide a decent law facility on its campus (located in a desirable part of town), cut the size of the program, increase student selectivity and tuition, and in turn, increase the funding, prestige, and ranking of the law school.

Obviously, there is a stratification process going on among Texas law schools. The same thing happened in other large states a long time ago:

California -- 1. Stanford, 2. Berkeley, 3. UCLA, 4. USC

New York -- 1. Columbia/NYU, 3. Cornell, 4. Fordham

Illinois -- 1. Chicago, 2. Northwestern, 3. UIUC

Texas is starting to look like -- 1. Texas, 2. SMU, 3. Baylor, 4. Houston

redacre, if you don't like Rapoport and you can't get into UT, why don't you try to transfer to SMU or Baylor?

Example:

5. The University of Texas at Austin School of Law Enrollment. It is the intent of the Legislature that The University of Texas at Austin study the impact that enrollment levels have on the quality of education at the University's Law School. The University shall make recommendations on the optimal enrollment level at which the school can provide the highest quality education. The University shall submit a report to the 80th Legislature, not later than January 1, 2007. It is the intent of the Legislature that a limitation on enrollment not adversely impact current funding levels.

http://www.lbb.state.tx.us/Bill_79/6_Conference/79-6_Conf_0505.pdf

Page: III-63 – III-64



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565507)




Date: April 12th, 2006 6:34 PM
Author: redacre

Actually, I had an opportunity to attend UT, but decided on Houston b/c of the part-time program and other personal factors. I'm counting on my work experience to boost my employment prospects.

I'm not informed enough on the issues to be a proponent of either side, but I am surprised at the level of apparent support for the remove-the-dean movement, even among faculty. I suspect that there's more than rankings behind the effort to have the dean resign; I just don't know what it is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5569851)




Date: April 12th, 2006 1:06 AM
Author: PrincetonLS_Dean

Poor Rapaport goes from Stanford Law Review to putting up with TTT students.

It would not surprise me to learn that many of the UHLC students upset about this would not have been accepted to UH had Rapaport gamed the system the way they want her to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565525)




Date: April 12th, 2006 1:18 AM
Author: Done and done

Do those Katrina Evacuees have to fuck everything up in Houston?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565634)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:21 PM
Author: ryanbowen

You would be amazed at how much gets blamed on Katrina victims in Houston (there was no crime in Houston before the hurricane according to some)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570232)




Date: April 12th, 2006 1:27 AM
Author: Esaias

you people have no one to blame but yourselves. tell the houston students that i said that. ahahahah ttts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565719)




Date: April 12th, 2006 1:38 AM
Author: douchebag

You don't understand, the UH law students believe that they are the prestige school in town as they outrank:

South Texas College of Law, and

Texas Southern University Thurgood Marshall School of Law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565806)




Date: April 12th, 2006 1:33 AM
Author: to the

The law schools deans must crap their pants each year as April 1 approaches. No wonder they *hate* USN&WR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5565762)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:05 PM
Author: TroyMcClure

Yeah, I do almost feel sorry for them. Students freak out when schools move down two spots and expect the deans to dom something about it. Just what can a dean do though? Every school is trying to move up in the rankings. A lot of it is out of their hands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570071)




Date: April 12th, 2006 5:21 PM
Author: ,,,..,.,...,.,.,...,....,,.,.

Houston now headed up in the rankings since --

"White House Counsel Harriet Miers has accepted Dean Nancy Rapoport’s invitation to serve as the keynote speaker at the UH Law Center’s commencement ceremonies on May 12, 2006."

http://www.law.uh.edu/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5569382)




Date: April 12th, 2006 6:28 PM
Author: This name will be used on all future posts you mak

preftigious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5569821)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:37 PM
Author: Gene Parmesan

fantastic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570321)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:16 PM
Author: rickvaughn

This is ridiculous. This is why after the top 50, they should just put schools in tiers alphabetically. There really is no difference between a school that is 65th and one that is 90th.

These Houston students are pathetic. Are we even sure they should be ranked as high as 70? There are California law schools like Santa Clara that are ranked lower that I'll bet are actually better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570186)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:23 PM
Author: ryanbowen

I am pretty sure when I looked at US News in College (2002), they didn't specify rankings within the second tier. Just alphabetically listed 51-100.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570244)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:27 PM
Author: David Lowery

I actually think there is no difference starting at about 37 somewhere through around 100.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570270)




Date: April 17th, 2006 4:29 PM
Author: Herro_Radies

there really isn't...it's a bunch of regional schools after mid tier 1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599436)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:48 PM
Author: Shane McGowan

And the number really may be 32. I don't think you can get past Fordham.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600450)




Date: April 12th, 2006 7:31 PM
Author: Calm Before the Storm

hell, after the top 5, they should just . . .

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5570294)




Date: April 17th, 2006 9:01 PM
Author: Window Licker (Spazzing out for over two decades.)

Top 3, really.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600805)




Date: May 4th, 2006 11:36 PM
Author: -+-_=== (gonna shine on homie until the sun goes down)

subtle Columbia troll

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5716605)




Date: April 17th, 2006 4:05 PM
Author: Hazelrah

The dean resigned last Thursday; announcement is at http://www.law.uh.edu now. Can't say I envy whoever her successor will be.

Some more info here, including the provost getting pissed at all the internet posts hating on UH: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UHLCINFORMER/message/28

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599363)




Date: April 17th, 2006 5:00 PM
Author: Hazelrah

That last link doesn't seem to work anymore; the mailing list was public but looks like they just made it private. Anyway, here's what was posted:

Date: Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:01 pm

Subject: Today's meeting with the provost...

Friends --

By now most of you have heard: the rumors swirling about regarding

Dean Rapoport's resignation last week were very true. Today, the UH

Provost addressed the law school faculty at lunch. Along with only

a handful of other students, I attended the public portion of that

meeting, and felt I should update you on what was heard.

First, and most obviously, Dean Rapoport resigned last Thursday. My

understanding is that the resignation is effective at the end of

May, though she has extended an offer to stay on and serve in

whatever transition role might be most productive for the Law

Center.

Second - ACTION POINT: The provost announced that he is immediately

seeking an interim dean, while a nationwide search will eventually

launched for a permanent replacement. Input is being accepted

from "stakeholders" until close of business this Wednesday, April

19. While the provost specifically addressed his comments to

faculty and alumni, I would encourage all alumni and even students

to be heard on this issue. This is one of those rare times where

your input is relevant, helpful, and requested, so please let it be

heard. The provost's comments suggest that it is not set in stone

that the interim dean while be chosen from the current faculty, but

it seems highly likely to be the case.

Third, when asked directly whether he would improve funding to the

Law Center, the provost responded with thoughts on raising private

contributions. As he noted, people want to give money to a rising

program, but that isn't what we have here -- we have a situation

where the school is (at best) drifting. This looks like a chicken

and egg problem to me. I hope that there is a compromise in which

the greater UH body can find a way to improve our funding while our

alumni recognize this unique opportunity to mark a significant

change and new direction for our fine institution.

Finally, the provost lashed out at the internet rumor mill and

anonymous postings which have surrounded this topic in the last week

or two. He likened it to "fouling our own nest," and he is probably

right. I hesitated to submit this posting, but most especially for

those that are off campus, I felt there was a responsibility to

report what happened in today's meeting. Rather than ending the

discussion, I think it becomes even more important to keep our eye

on the potential positive outcomes, and for everyone to speak

forthrightly, openly, and accountably. I implore each of you to

take what started out as a disruptive forum and mailing list and to

make it productive, to continue the dialogue, and to do it in a

spirit which will best benefit our law school.

I am certain that departing was a hard decision for Dean Rapoport,

and the next few weeks here can only be difficult for her.

Regardless of whether or not you supported the dean, please show her

the proper respect as she finishes her tenure as our dean, and

appreciate her efforts to transition the program as best possible to

its interim leadership.

John M. Hardy

UHLC 2L

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599552)




Date: April 17th, 2006 4:39 PM
Author: jd09

this dean cited gto and autoadmit in a law review article

http://www.law.indiana.edu/ilj/volumes/v81/no1/17_Rapoport.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599471)




Date: April 17th, 2006 4:44 PM
Author: Hazelrah

She also cites "This is Spinal Tap" (MGM 2000 re-release).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599490)




Date: April 17th, 2006 9:09 PM
Author: Window Licker (Spazzing out for over two decades.)

"The question remains: why don’t more law schools use strategic planning principles to stand out from the pack?"

Because it turns your school into a TTT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600840)




Date: April 17th, 2006 4:51 PM
Author: VernonMaxwell

UH Law is for morons. Hopefully it will shut down and they will stop competing with smart people for jobs.

See my user name, I'm from Houston. I never considered at all going there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599515)




Date: April 17th, 2006 5:09 PM
Author: Great Teacher Onizuka

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard about. I *hope* there was some other underlying issue here besides U.S. News.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599586)




Date: April 17th, 2006 5:28 PM
Author: JudgeDredd

A friend of mine goes there and he made it seem as if this was the sole reason for the student uproar.

I told him they'd be better off if USNews had never ranked the second tier in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599682)




Date: April 17th, 2006 5:32 PM
Author: Hazelrah

I have a friend who's an alum there, and my understanding is that the problem is that UH used to be right around the bottom of the first tier (around 50) and now has slipped into the second tier, either moving below or increasing the gap between UH and other Texas schools like Southern Methodist U or Baylor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599706)




Date: April 17th, 2006 6:17 PM
Author: Great Teacher Onizuka

Unbelievable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599966)




Date: April 17th, 2006 6:24 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

I assure you this was not solely based on the rankings. This has been brewing for some time. The faculty was divided on the direction of the lawschool and where it may have been more evenly divided in the past, the recent events were simply the straw the broke the camel's back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5599998)




Date: April 17th, 2006 6:28 PM
Author: Hazelrah

By "direction of the law school," do you mean down the rankings versus up the rankings?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600019)




Date: April 17th, 2006 6:40 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

No, I mean the direction of the law school. A certain group prefers to strive to be the best law school it can be and others honestly (and I know this is a bit shocking for xoxo) want the school to "service" the city and state. By this I mean that it should be a more accessible school and not just accept the most qualified students.

Apparently the dean was viewed more as the latter group and was not willing to take the steps necessary to be a competitive law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600082)




Date: April 17th, 2006 6:45 PM
Author: Hazelrah

Ah, I see. I don't necessarily think it's shocking, but it's a big problem for the alums and upperclass students if the "screw the rankings" direction isn't what they originally bought into.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600104)




Date: April 17th, 2006 6:53 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

There were apparently other concerns involved as well. In any event, I think this is a positive move for the school, regardless of whether I support Rapoport or not (she is a great person by the way), in that the new dean will have the clear objective to head the school in the right direction (i.e., more competitive). It's really a shame that the rankings slippage was more of a conscious choice (or rather a lack of action to prevent it), than just market pressures. Apparently it's going to be a national search and I think the school should take a serious shot and getting some "name" candidate who would significantly affect the school's reputation. After all, look what Ken Starr did for Pepperdine. They're up 30 spots in just a few years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600157)




Date: April 17th, 2006 6:59 PM
Author: Hazelrah

Yeah, I'm impressed that Pepperdine is anywhere at all in the biglaw summer class thread, much less have more than one (3 at Kirkland LA!)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600201)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:02 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

Tom Delay needs a new job. He's a UHLC grad I believe. We all know he can raise money. I'm kidding of course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600209)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:34 PM
Author: JohnPaulStevens

No, he dropped out of Southern Meth or Bailor in UG

He's a graduate of Orkin Academy,

with a Major in Cockroaches and a Minor in Slime Mold

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600387)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:13 PM
Author: ........,,,.,....,.......,,,,.

You're surprised that Pepperdine would send 3 students to LA BigLaw?

Or that those 3 would happen to be going to an office where their Dean is of-counsel?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600259)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:22 PM
Author: Hazelrah

I figured maybe there'd be maybe 1 or 2 Pepperdine summers max at each LA biglaw firm. I didn't really expect to see Pepperdine tied with Stanford and UCLA at Kirkland LA, even with Ken Starr. (We'll see when somebody posts the numbers, but I don't think the OMM-Loyola connection is nearly as strong.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600320)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:26 PM
Author: ........,,,.,....,.......,,,,.

I would guess that there is actually fewer than 1 Pepperdine student per Big LA firm. I would figure that under 5% of the students there land BigLaw and that Kirkland is their best shot in town.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600347)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:30 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

Is there not a California publication that reports this information? Texas, for example, has the Texas Lawyer which reports each school's representation in the large firms. I might add that UHLC consistently beats out SMU and Baylor each year (even adjusted for class size I believe).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600367)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:36 PM
Author: Hazelrah

There's the Recorder in SF that's pretty good on Cali firm news, but it doesn't report anything quite so detailed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600394)




Date: April 17th, 2006 6:48 PM
Author: Great Teacher Onizuka

Still ridiculous. The dean was there for six years, they should've known this when applying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600120)




Date: April 17th, 2006 6:55 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

Like I said, this isn't purely based on the rankings. There are other issues. However, the faculty was split on this issue and Rapoport had the perception, at least, of leaning towards the passive side of the faculty. Once the rankings slipped, obviously the balance in the faculty shifted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600175)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:12 PM
Author: ........,,,.,....,.......,,,,.

The shamed dean and GTO have a little mutual admiration society. Cute.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600253)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:10 PM
Author: douchebag

In other words, whether the school should move up or down in the rankings.

Honestly, this is not the deans' fault. The Texas Legislature does not adequately fund its state schools and it is difficult for a school like UH to raise the type of private funds that a school like UT can raise. If UH wants to play the game, it may have to raise tuition (a lot).

Funding can also be a problem in the search for a new dean as it has been at UNC:

"UNC has been forced to reopen its search for a dean after it offered the job to Duke University law professor Erwin Chemerinsky, an academic star who said no.

Chemerinsky set off alarm bells, not mincing words in explaining his reason. 'I think it's a terrific school, but it's a very underfunded school,' he says. 'I think any candidate will be concerned over money.'"

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12248881/



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600248)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:20 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

Sure, if you want to phrase it that way, go ahead. If you read my posts however you'll see exactly what I mean. Funding is a problem. The budget has been tight over the past several years, but that has turned around significantly. UHLC, other than a single yearly fundraising event, hasn't even attempted the level of fundraising efforts used by other similar school. UHLC apparently has close to 10,000 active alumni in the area. It should clearly be the goal of the new administration to both pursue more spending from the government (while its currently available) and pursue more private spending.

One of the possible routes is to move the school away from a purely public school and move towards a partial private partial public funding system like other schools (UVA and Penn are examples of schools that have done this I believe).

Whatever the new plan involves, it is good that a new plan is being developed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600307)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:23 PM
Author: douchebag

You are right about UVA, they accept no state funding. Michigan gets very little funding from the state of Michigan as well. However, both schools charge a lot more than UH for tuition.

UVA: "Source of Institutional Control: Public (with no state funding)"

http://www.law.virginia.edu/home2002/html/about/factsstats.htm

Michigan: "In 1935, state funding accounted for nearly 50 percent of the budget, but in 2004 funding stands at less than 4 percent."

http://www.law.umich.edu/campaign/faq/campaign.htm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600322)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:38 PM
Author: JohnPaulStevens

UVA's only problem is that it still is at the mercy of the ass-clown college that passes for a state legislature.

I could easily see them getting saddled with some ridiculous impositions (every year they grumble in Richmond about how many out-of-staters there are in C-Ville).

Look at UNC, where they are mandated to take a % of there class in-state and are still punished by their moronic state gov't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600403)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:32 PM
Author: Buzz Killington

"UVa and PEnn"--180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600374)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:40 PM
Author: Hazelrah

Wow, I missed that. Awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600416)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:41 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

?????

I wasn't comparing the quality of the schools. That would be ridiculous. I was only showing a model of shifting from purely state funding to private funding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600420)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:51 PM
Author: rickvaughn

Penn has zero public funding. You know why? Penn is NOT A PUBIC SCHOOL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600469)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:56 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

I thought it made the shift at one point in its history. I haven't exactly studied the history of the Penn law school. Not being from the area this isn't exactly common knowledge. Maybe I'm thinking of a different school (Michigan was mentioned above).

Either way, it is clear from my post that I do know that it is not a public school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600488)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:09 PM
Author: rickvaughn

It is not clear from your post. In fact, it was clear from your post that you thought it was public. Perhaps you are thinking of Penn St. - Dickinson Law?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600555)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:12 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

Clear or not, the answer to your question is yes, I know that it is not a public school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600580)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:33 PM
Author: rickvaughn

Then why in the hell did you even mention them as an example of a school that has shifted away from public funding? A private school does not shift away from public funding since it never had public funding. I think you are trying to back peddle here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600684)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:41 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

It was an example. If I was wrong, and apparently I am, then it was a bad example. To all who were confused I apologize. Please insert another school that has made the shift from public to private funding in Penn's stead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600732)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:09 PM
Author: Mr. Polo

"Penn has zero public funding. You know why? Penn is NOT A PUBIC SCHOOL. "

Freudian slip?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600558)




Date: April 17th, 2006 10:00 PM
Author: This name will be used on all future posts you mak (the Osama bin Laden of Torts)

heh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5601117)




Date: April 17th, 2006 7:49 PM
Author: rickvaughn

Please tell me that you know that Penn is not public at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600453)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:06 PM
Author: Mr. Polo

? Joe Paterno's team lost to Michigan this year in big 10 football. wtf are you talking about?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600539)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:35 PM
Author: douchebag

"The budget has been tight over the past several years, but that has turned around significantly."

Come on: significant turn around = 20.8 student/faculty ratio?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600697)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:43 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

I was referring to the budget. Texas went from a deficit to a significant surplus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600747)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:47 PM
Author: douchebag

But how did UH Law Center come out?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600755)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:49 PM
Author: ........,,,.,....,.......,,,,.

fare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600763)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:51 PM
Author: douchebag

I know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600768)




Date: April 17th, 2006 9:23 PM
Author: ........,,,.,....,.......,,,,.

Then why'd you type "fair"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600900)




Date: May 4th, 2006 6:41 PM
Author: douchebag

because I am a self professed douchebag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5714548)




Date: April 17th, 2006 9:04 PM
Author: Rev. Al Sharpton

I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you asking about the budget for UHLC? I really don't know the specifics. By the way, I suspect that the horrible faculty/student ratio is a significant reason behind the lower ranking of UHLC. It is at the very bottom of the top 100 in that respect. Movement towards the median of this measure would likely result in a couple points in the overal rating. Given then small difference between the schools in this area that could be a huge boost.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600815)




Date: April 17th, 2006 8:04 PM
Author: derkad

Professor CRUMB: "Dean Rapoport, the students are revolting!"

Dean RAPOPORT: "I know--they stink!"

or that's how it should have went.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5600532)




Date: April 17th, 2006 9:51 PM
Author: bosterone

the real tragedy here is that a flawed ranking in a news magazine is able to strongly influence admissions and job placement at a professional school. is this really what the legal profession has come to? the medical profession pays much less attention to these rankings (some but not religious like devotion).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5601057)




Date: April 17th, 2006 9:59 PM
Author: I Kill Children

"the real tragedy here is that a flawed ranking in a news magazine is able to strongly influence admissions and job placement at a professional school."

i doubt that the rankings influence job placement much at all. do you think law firm partners sit around and comment about the rankings? their perceptions of school quality are based on where they and all their colleagues went to school and on the quality of associates they have hired from the school in the past.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5601110)




Date: May 4th, 2006 4:34 PM
Author: ,,,..,.,...,.,.,...,....,,.,.
Subject: Texas Bar

Houston in good company on February Bar:

First Time Examinees:

Texas Wesleyan 33/40 82.50%

Saint Mary's 21/26 80.77%

University of Houston 37/47 78.72%

South Texas 65/83 78.31%

Texas Southern 20/26 76.92%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5714034)




Date: May 4th, 2006 4:51 PM
Author: Done and done

February Bar Results are pretty worthless. Think about it. Who graduates mid-year? Either people who fucked up and needed extra time to complete a degree, OR people who couldn't get jobs 2L summer, so they took classes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5714092)




Date: May 4th, 2006 4:57 PM
Author: ,,,..,.,...,.,.,...,....,,.,.

The 64 Baylor fuck-ups managed a 96.88% pass rate.

EDIT:

UT 34/37 91.89%

SMU 16/18 88.89%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5714119)




Date: May 4th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: TroyMcClure

Baylor is on a crazy quarter system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5716363)




Date: May 4th, 2006 5:33 PM
Author: NYCESQ2005
Subject: uhmmmm

The February bar is also taken by students who failed in July.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5714252)




Date: May 4th, 2006 5:40 PM
Author: Done and done

the stat given was for first-timers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#5714283)




Date: September 11th, 2007 5:38 PM
Author: any major dood

rapobump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8628368)




Date: September 11th, 2007 8:19 PM
Author: .;.; .;, : ... : ..,, ,,. ; ..,, .

So now that UH has a new, rankings oriented dean, how are the medians looking this year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8629039)




Date: September 11th, 2007 9:30 PM
Author: fiveten (need time to think of a new email line)

UH Law Center At a Glance

Profile of the 2007 Class

Full-time Part-time

Applications 3009 317

Admitted 869 78

Entering Class Size Target 250 50

Median LSAT 162 158

Median GPA 3.59 3.43

25th/75th Percentile LSAT 159/165 154/162

Average Age 24 30



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8629324)




Date: September 13th, 2007 11:45 PM
Author: ... ,. . ,. ,. , . ,., ., ., ., ., ...

Obviously, these are numbers for admitted students, not enrolled students.

1. They are too far out-of-line with prior years.

2. A “Class Target Size” indicates the school does not know how many students will actually enroll.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8637972)




Date: September 13th, 2007 11:52 PM
Author: fiveten (need time to think of a new email line)

no.

1. LSAT median increased 2 points (not really out of line)

2. not necessarily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8638008)




Date: September 13th, 2007 11:59 PM
Author: ... ,. . ,. ,. , . ,., ., ., ., ., ...

Right, the median goes up by 2, but the 75% goes up by 3.

Applications were down a little and the acceptance rate was about the same.

We'll see what they report to the ABA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8638036)




Date: September 13th, 2007 11:53 PM
Author: fiveten (need time to think of a new email line)

wow, gpa is like 0.1 higher though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8638013)




Date: September 13th, 2007 11:56 PM
Author: fiveten (need time to think of a new email line)

or more like the median is .06 higher, i can't add

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8638022)




Date: September 11th, 2007 9:33 PM
Author: I like the way ya Gwerk it

WGWAG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8629342)




Date: November 23rd, 2007 1:13 PM
Author: protectionist



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#8927799)




Date: March 26th, 2008 3:32 PM
Author: rojan

it worked! http://www.abovethelaw.com/images/entries/US%20News%20World%20Report%202009%20law%20school%20rankings%20ratings%20Above%20the%20Law%20blog.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#9534810)




Date: March 26th, 2008 3:35 PM
Author: ThatOtherGuy

the UH alums i know said that the old dean focused too much on minorities. what are your thoughts on this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=398291&forum_id=2#9534834)