while Elie Wiesel would have been in the hospital part of the murder death camp when it was liberated he was, in fact, given a choice by the SS: well, little bro, were about to be "liberated" by Russians so we're skipping out--you coming with us or enjoying Soviet liberation? Elie obviously said FUCK that, I'm not waiting for Russians, lead the way, Hans.

And that is who liberated Elie wiesel from Auschwitz: the SS.

Primo Levi did stay to be "liberated" by the Soviets but he admits it was just because he was too sick and weak (also a resident of the murder death camp hospital) and that most chose to go with Hans out of fear--fear of the red army, of course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36119526)

are you suggesting that at Treblinka 900,000 Jews were gassed by a Soviet tank engine, the bodies were buried, and then the bodies were dug up and cremated in the open air by putting women at the bottom of the pile because they had more fat to burn, splashing the pile of corpses with a bit of petrol--bodies stacked on railroad ties with a couple pieces of wood, outside--lighting a match and letting the fire do what it do?

is that what you mean by the holocaust? because that's what they say the holocaust is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36119791)

Is what I mean by holocaust

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36119848)

so by witness to the holocaust you mean elie wiesel saw,

"He seemed to be telling the truth. Not far from us, flames were leaping up from a ditch, gigantic

flames. They were burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered its load-little children.

Babies! Yes, I saw it -saw it with my own eyes . . . those children in the flames. (Is it surprising that I

could not sleep after that? Sleep had fled from my eyes.)

So this was where we were going. A little farther on was another and larger ditch for adults.

I pinched my face. Was I still alive? Was I awake? I could not believe it. How could it be possible

for them to bum people, children, and for the world to keep silent? No, none of this could be true. It

was a nightmare. ... Soon I should wake with a start, my heart pounding, and find myself back in the

bedroom of my childhood, among my books. . . ."

Indeed, hard to believe it could be true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36120019)

Wonder how he got that confused

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36123279)

ok the Nazi's tried to holocaust but failed?

then all the Jews went to Israel?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36123508)

and they wouldn't have failed.

but yeah kikes wound up where kikes are. as you may have noticed, we didn't run out of kvetching european kikes after wwII.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36123533)

OK but you are saying that the death camps didn't happen. Just some Japanese internment level harassment and the survivors made it out alive and moved to the US and Israel so no big deal? And lots may have died but that's just war?

So the takeaway is what? Jews don't deserve sympathy for persecution?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36123544)

We have the documents. The acquisition of the entire Nazi bureaucracy has been called the greatest treasure in the history of historiography. We know who built Auschwitz, we have the blueprints, we have all of Hitler's orders. There's no gas chamber hoax. There are no shrunken heads, no electrocution plates, no lampshades, no soap, no mattresses, nothing.

Here's THE leading holocaust scholar explaining holocaust theory after seeing all of the documents and finding nothing.

"But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus-mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy"

That's what it takes. Because Raul hilberg looked. It just doesn't exist. So, if you have a religious commitment to an insane conspiracy theory that goes against all the evidence, you just say it must have been far-flung mind-reading but not planned in advance. Sure, you can say that. The question is why anyone believes it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36123598)

coupled with the Nazi anti-jewish laws and propoganda, you have the motive, and you have the displacement of European jews as the consequence.

you have the eichman confessions. you have the intent.

it's all basically there. you are quibbling about a detail about the means of execution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36123743)

there was no planned extermination.

some Jews died. Many more real humans (Germans, french, British, american) died

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985536&forum_id=2#36124082)