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Anyone think Gov should step in and limit number of kids taking BA, MBAs, JDs,
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Date: June 16th, 2018 5:50 PM Author: Galvanic goal in life Finance, etc? They should try to get more kids studying STEM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257331) |
Date: June 16th, 2018 5:50 PM Author: Olive Forum Genital Piercing Need to pay women to breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257332) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:20 AM Author: curious house-broken candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36258905) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 10:48 AM Author: plum theater (Tyesha) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264709) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: appetizing space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264870) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 5:59 PM Author: Vermilion cowardly native french chef Government limiting what people can study -> government requiring everyone get a degree in gender-race intersectionality justice studies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257357) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:01 PM Author: aphrodisiac dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257364) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:08 PM Author: talking stimulating death wish They limit the number of MDs right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257378) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: Vermilion cowardly native french chef That's not self-regulated by the AMA or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257381) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:30 PM Author: talking stimulating death wish That counts as government to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257455) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 7:12 PM Author: Vermilion cowardly native french chef Guess it is close enough, no one else can step in and regulate the profession. Touche (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257634) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: cordovan contagious bawdyhouse partner lol the AMA is a union and lobbying organization (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264850) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:51 AM Author: Crystalline bat shit crazy dysfunction In part it’s regulated by the number of available residencies; and pretty sure the government funds a portion of that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36259029) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:12 PM Author: Orchid splenetic ceo idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257389) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:02 PM Author: aphrodisiac dilemma if you try to do this at all, you do it by creating policies which make these fields less lucrative, not by limiting the number of people studying them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257367) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:12 AM Author: Vigorous Property Cumskin they are already incredibly not lucrative yet poors keep takingn out loans to study them - why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36258876) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 12:09 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode Because everyone has optimism bias, which is why this is a horrible solution. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36263510) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:03 PM Author: Federal floppy brethren church building ABA and other higher ed/professional accrediting agencies should be doing this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257371) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:05 PM Author: awkward flickering shitlib gas station we need less people going to college overall. degrees are becoming more worthless than weimer republic cash (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257376) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: Vermilion cowardly native french chef Job applicants showing up for interviews with a wheelbarrow full of diplomas... that could be a great meme (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257379) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:12 AM Author: burgundy office antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36258875) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:12 PM Author: Orchid splenetic ceo idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257391) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 6:15 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone cyan telephone school cafeteria girl i'm dating is a college prof and says at least 1/3 of her students have no business being in college. i believe it having read some of the student papers she's shared with me. her school recently created a special program for autistic kids so they can get more $$$. apparently, some of these kids are borderline retarded and cause huge disruptions in the classroom. seems so unethical to take their money, knowing that even if they graduate they'll never get a job. meanwhile, their TTT business school is virtually all full tuition chinese imports who barely speak english. doesn't seem like a good long term model. higher ed is such a joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257400) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:13 AM Author: Vigorous Property Cumskin someone bump evan's thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36258878) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: indigo diverse school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264806) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: histrionic chartreuse sanctuary associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264811) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 7:13 PM Author: Lemon nowag Yes, the ABA supports this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36257635) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 7:13 PM Author: cobalt cruise ship liquid oxygen They need to double the amount of MDs. Fucking criminal that this isn't brought up more.
I would've been a doctor if you didn't have to sell your soul for 15 years just to prescribe zpacks. |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:11 AM Author: Alcoholic Volcanic Crater I have been saying this for years, godspeed. fucking criminal is correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36258873) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:24 AM Author: balding flirting site multi-billionaire Yeah fuck up the medical profession because you're mad lawyers make 40k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36258933) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:44 AM Author: cobalt cruise ship liquid oxygen There shouldn't be weeks or months long waiting lists to see doctors. Doctors shouldn't work 70 hours a week.
This isn't hard. We need more doctors and there are plenty of smart kids who want to be doctors. |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: peach knife house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264861) |
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Date: June 16th, 2018 7:22 PM Author: trip autistic principal's office friendly grandma No but there should be extreme vetting on any institution benefiting from tax exempt status. Its a joke that our tax dollars are being used to support places like cooley, or left wing think tanks like harvard.
Im ok with a school having the right to be a left wing think tank, but it should be treated like any for profit instituuon |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:29 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36258954) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: Excitant legend and no gov't loans for the unqualified (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264817) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:28 AM Author: Lascivious Business Firm Gay Wizard No. There are better solutions, like making student debt dischargeable in bankruptcy after a few years (5 to 7). Toss in a partial claw back from the schools to give them some skin in the game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36258949) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:37 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode Agree, especially the last sentence. That alone would cut down on the BS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36258991) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 12:12 AM Author: Bateful library athletic conference No, they shld fuking heavily regulate univs so they have to cut tuition, they shld fuking cut defense spending by 67% and use some of the money for education and infrastructure, they shld fuking discharge all student loan debt and kill half the administrators and drone strike the student loan companies
you know every other rich nation on earth gets higher education except the fuking US |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:37 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode "they shld fuking cut defense spending by 67% and use some of the money for education and infrastructure"
How about starting with cutting it and then using it to stop borrowing money and pay off the national debt and then use whatever is left over for education and infrastructure (assuming we really need to spend more on education, which I'm not sure we do)? |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:42 AM Author: dashing lavender pit depressive every other "rich nation" sends their students here to leech off our colleges. shitholes like china and india would rather have us foot the bill instead of building their own universities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264171) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 12:14 AM Author: Thirsty Location There are not enough jobs and the current employers have no business requiring a degree in anything. They also play games with requiring "experience" too... and feeding them a rich stream of STEM grads will do nothing about it. That said it is unconscionable that students are even being made to pay for their own educations. Garbage policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36263533) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:39 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode Students absolutely should pay for their own educations. Otherwise, they have minimal skin in the game, can waste government money and then do something stupid like become an artist or musician. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264169) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Thirsty Location The school should have no right to the students' future income. The students should keep that income so they can pay for the next generation to be educated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264704) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode Of course they do. Who benefits? The student. Who should pay for that benefit? Also the student. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264713) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 10:56 AM Author: Thirsty Location They should keep the results of that benefit, not hand it back to the school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264742) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:07 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode I disagree. So the lawyer, doctor or banker about to get a big salary should get his school paid for by some farmer and should contribute nothing for that benefit? No, I'm going to say that the person getting the benefit should have to pay the bulk of the cost of getting that benefit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264797) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: Thirsty Location The doctor, etc. will pay taxes to support the school instead of having a giant share of their income handed over directly to the school like you want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36265168) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:52 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode They would pay taxes anyway. But why would their taxes equally pay for their benefit along with the people who didn't get that benefit?
Also, if they decide to just not work or do low paying stupid non-profit shit, then why is society at large stuck with all of the bill? |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:57 AM Author: Thirsty Location They will pay less in taxes when you take their money away and give it to the school. Let them keep it. If they make lots of money, great, then they pay more into the system without getting beat up for tuition payments, too. If their income is low then they're not benefiting anyway, and they will pay taxes on what they do earn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36265231) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:58 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode They will not because the tax deduction for student loans drops off at a very low salary. So they will pay both taxes and student loans. It is their choice not to make it.
People should 100% be beat up for tuition payments. They chose to incur those costs and it is their fault. |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 12:17 PM Author: Thirsty Location It's preventing them from contributing to society, saving for retirement, becoming homeowners, and paying taxes. All to just bloat up a school's budget. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36265373) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode Also, if people don't pay then there's no cost-benefit analysis at the individual level. In other words, right now we benefit from the fact that people consider whether the salary increase is worth the cost of attendance. That works to keep people from going to graduate school for art, music and other idiotic endeavors, and also limits admission to really crappy MBA and JD programs. If there's even a marginal benefit to these programs and the cost is 0, then attendance will also skyrocket. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264821) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: Thirsty Location There's no cost-benefit analysis *now* with student loans, and causing economic hardship on someone pulling in a modest income, for example, isn't benefiting them or the school. Just let them keep their money and invest it or something, not have to give it to the school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36265206) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:57 AM Author: Sable Odious Abode "There's no cost-benefit analysis *now* with student loans"
I disagree and a number of TTTs have failed due to low enrollment. That is the system working. The key is to increase the factors that lead to this, not decrease them. The problem with your approach is that it removes all responsibility from the people deciding to attend. That is retarded. The people who should overwhelmingly be on the hook are a) the student and b) the school. Society as a whole should bear little risk to whether or not you or I attend or not.
"and causing economic hardship on someone pulling in a modest income, for example, isn't benefiting them or the school"
Sure it is. It a) recoups some of the money, and b) serves as a warning to others not to make bad choices. This is why I completely oppose your approach.
"Just let them keep their money and invest it or something, not have to give it to the school."
No. Make them pay their debts and the costs they incurred. If they didn't like it they shouldn't have incurred it. |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 12:02 PM Author: Thirsty Location Employers and the employed are the ones who benefit from education and should be the ones paying taxes to support that system. Making someone destitute by forcing them to pay off the school is going to prevent them from ever contributing to society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36265269) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 12:04 PM Author: Sable Odious Abode That seems wrong, particularly since you're on a board full of people that paid back their student debt and are doing well (including myself and my wife). Make good choices and pay your debt.
Employers are paying the salaries of the people that incurred the debt which allows them to pay that back. Seems to be working fine.
The only people not paying their fair share are the schools, which need to be liable for their failures. |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 12:14 PM Author: Thirsty Location Tuition and debts were so high because the boomer generation, as taxpayers and employers, were not forced to pay for the education system of their children. But those boomers did get free or cheap educations and did very well financially from that. What would they care if tuition skyrocketed now that they don't have to pay? Worse, students just use loans and go into default, so they don't pay them back but still suffer economically from it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36265354) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:45 AM Author: dashing lavender pit depressive no but we should at least stop the "everyone should go to college" obama-era forcememe and stop looking down on people who choose to pursue trades instead of taking on student debt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264179) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:46 AM Author: Massive chestnut mood No, but there should definitely be more short track programs for MDs (and maybe even JDs) like they have in Europe.
Maybe give kids 1 year to be sure and then open up an MD specific program that cuts it down to 4-5 years more. Get that JD done in 3 years (4 years total) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:48 AM Author: dashing lavender pit depressive there should be more doctors and fewer lawyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264191) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:51 AM Author: Massive chestnut mood If JDs aren't hard to get who cares how many lawyers there are. They'll just do something else when they can't find work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264198) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 10:51 AM Author: flushed bossy corn cake parlor this would happen organically if they'd just gtfo of student lending (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264715) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: Rusted Razzle-dazzle Sex Offender Crackhouse Op how much economics have you studied out of curiosity? This pattern of thinking sounds fundamentally weird to me and feels like something an English or history major would say |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:16 AM Author: cordovan contagious bawdyhouse partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264853) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: cordovan contagious bawdyhouse partner Yes let’s give gov more power to “fix” the problems it created (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003543&forum_id=2#36264858) |