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Lol the Manafort witness tampering is a TOTAL FARCE

He sent two text messages saying he wanted to give them a he...
Primrose Charismatic Indian Lodge Fortuitous Meteor
  06/18/18
Lol no. I read the FBI agents affidavit. He sent like a doze...
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/23/18
IN MY HUMBLE AND UNBIASED FBI OPINION RELATED TO THIS MATTER...
Mischievous depressive whorehouse
  06/23/18
Actually it had very little narrative. It was mostly a chart...
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/23/18
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Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/23/18
Actually, I read it several weeks ago, and it was entirely n...
Mischievous depressive whorehouse
  06/23/18
All these pre-2014 communications! https://www.scribd.com...
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/23/18
LOL, oh a "Attempted phone call - No duration." ...
Mischievous depressive whorehouse
  06/23/18
Now do the other contacts. In particular the ones from GRU a...
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/23/18
Is that Person A, that was indicted? Why are you obsessed w...
Mischievous depressive whorehouse
  06/23/18
Konstantin Viktorovich Kilimnik was born in eastern Ukraine ...
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/23/18
And LOL at suggesting it is insignificant or irrelevant that...
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/23/18
lol at how sloppy the GRU is at this stuff
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  08/30/18
i always advise my clients to personally text and call to pe...
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  06/23/18
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  06/23/18
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awkward market
  06/24/18
Trumpmo here. Not a mfe on the subject but it doesn’t seem l...
demanding tanning salon
  06/23/18
Maybe he just wanted to wish them a happy birthday, or let t...
exciting piazza mediation
  06/23/18
Litigants can do whatever they want will witnesses as long a...
swashbuckling church
  06/23/18
i don't think that's the case, practically speaking.
Bateful Rehab
  08/30/18
TBF he asked for a list of the people he shouldn't contact a...
pink talented casino
  06/23/18
(Literal retard)
awkward market
  06/24/18
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Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/24/18
Being able to confront witnesses against you is a fundamenta...
White double fault foreskin
  06/24/18
In order for it be witness tampering doesn't he have to pres...
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  06/23/18
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thriller tank
  06/25/18
How can it be witness tampering if Manafort doesn't even kno...
Cracking cordovan laser beams prole
  06/23/18
God you’re dumb
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/23/18
is Manafort not allowed to talk to people?
Cracking cordovan laser beams prole
  06/23/18
No, only the FBI is allowed to contact witnesses, threaten t...
Mischievous depressive whorehouse
  06/23/18
You’re even dumber
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/23/18
PSA stupid nigger, you are the dumbest motherfucker in this ...
abnormal ape
  06/23/18
TDS and AA have permanently and irreversibly crippled him
Twisted trailer park
  06/23/18
Let's be honest, he was always a fucking idiot. But going Hi...
abnormal ape
  06/23/18
What the hell is AA
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/23/18
It starts with affirm and ends with tion.
Twisted trailer park
  06/24/18
No one is this stupid so good flame.
awkward market
  06/24/18
I have no opinion on the viability of an independent prosecu...
hairless boyish home
  06/23/18
Trump will be indicted for Russian collusion now.
abnormal ape
  06/23/18
I'll settle for unindicted co-conspirator, but even if Muell...
avocado school cafeteria
  06/24/18
lol
Twisted trailer park
  06/24/18
Nobody gives a fuck about Podesta or Crooked, get that throu...
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/24/18
LJL at this fan fiction
Beady-eyed swollen forum roommate
  06/24/18
Banks give away money in Russia? No wonder their economy su...
Primrose Charismatic Indian Lodge Fortuitous Meteor
  06/24/18
"instead of repayment, we will hope one of our borrower...
Plum elastic band queen of the night
  06/24/18
https://www.google.com/amp/s/splinternews.com/how-the-hell-d...
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/24/18
What's the theory here? Trump defaulted on the loans and Rus...
thriller tank
  06/24/18
Who says they were loans? What kind of lender doesn’t take a...
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/24/18
No, they invest it.
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/24/18
"potential" witnesses?
thriller tank
  06/24/18
Yes dummy until they testify they are all potential witnesse...
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/24/18
Isn't everyone a potential witness?
thriller tank
  06/25/18
Ah, the well noted text message and short phone call carve o...
Yellow aphrodisiac corner digit ratio
  06/24/18
Lol
Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/24/18
I lol'd
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  06/25/18
lol
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  08/30/18
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  08/30/18
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chartreuse ticket booth
  08/30/18
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Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat
  06/25/18
haha wow. op got gaped pretty badly ITT
gay space ceo
  06/25/18
total farthhhhh
diverse aqua pit pozpig
  06/26/18


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Date: June 18th, 2018 2:20 PM
Author: Primrose Charismatic Indian Lodge Fortuitous Meteor

He sent two text messages saying he wanted to give them a heads up and spoke with a witness on the phone for less than two minutes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36266258)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 9:49 AM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

Lol no. I read the FBI agents affidavit. He sent like a dozen messages and the last few were "plz respond" dummy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295841)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 9:58 AM
Author: Mischievous depressive whorehouse

IN MY HUMBLE AND UNBIASED FBI OPINION RELATED TO THIS MATTER, I believe DEFENDANT MANAFORT was attempting to OBSTRUCT JUSTICE.

In FACT, after I arrived unannounced at WITNESS 1's residence, and threatened to charge them with COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA IN THE FIRST DEGREE, WITNESS 1 agreed that MANAFORT was attempting to SUBORN PERJUY.

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN

-Your TRUSTED FBI AGENT

P.S. FUCK TRUMP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295861)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

Actually it had very little narrative. It was mostly a chart listing Manaforts encrypted communications with a literal GRU agent. Thoughts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296005)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296063)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: Mischievous depressive whorehouse

Actually, I read it several weeks ago, and it was entirely narrative. I just pulled it back up, and yep, my post is spot on with the "SUBORN PERJURY" quote. Also, half of the affidavit references communications that pre-date 2014, and the other half has hearsay within hearsay that would never in 1000 years be admissible.

Anyways, I know this stuff flies entirely over your alcohol-addled brain, but my tongue-in-cheek post was speaking to the credibility of the FBI and the Mueller team, which will come front-and-center when agents come in and testify and are found out to be Trump-hating spies (if there are any left on Mueller's team at trial, ljl).

https://www.scribd.com/document/381165781/FBI-Manafort-Declaration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296196)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:31 AM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

All these pre-2014 communications!

https://www.scribd.com/document/381165093/Exhibit-N

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296221)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:36 AM
Author: Mischievous depressive whorehouse

LOL, oh a "Attempted phone call - No duration."

The obstruction!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296240)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

Now do the other contacts. In particular the ones from GRU agent Konstatin Kilimnik

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296259)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: Mischievous depressive whorehouse

Is that Person A, that was indicted? Why are you obsessed with posting about "GRU this" or "GRU that" all the time? If they are literal spies, etc, why isn't Mueller charging them as such? You know Weissmann would go buck-fucking wild with any charge possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296305)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

Konstantin Viktorovich Kilimnik was born in eastern Ukraine in the Soviet period. He studied at the Military Institute of the Ministry of Defense in Moscow, and after the Soviet breakup took Russian citizenship, he said in the interview. The institute trains interpreters for the Russian military intelligence agency, formerly known as the G.R.U. and now called the Main Directorate.

He worked for a time in Sweden as an interpreter for a Russian company that exported arms, and later in the Moscow office of the International Republican Institute, a Washington-based nonprofit, where former employees said they suspected he was informing on them to the Russian authorities.

He parted ways with the organization, a former employee of the Moscow office said, after the chief of the F.S.B., the successor agency to the K.G.B., talked in a speech about the private meetings of the institute’s officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/06/world/europe/robert-mueller-kilimnik-ukraine-russia-manafort.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296336)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 12:05 PM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

And LOL at suggesting it is insignificant or irrelevant that Trumps campaign Mgr and national security adviser were in constant contact with Russian military intelligence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296359)



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Date: August 30th, 2018 3:39 PM
Author: gay space ceo

lol at how sloppy the GRU is at this stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36716862)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: curious hissy fit

i always advise my clients to personally text and call to persuade adverse witnesses against them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295844)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:18 AM
Author: chartreuse ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295919)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: awkward market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301322)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 9:57 AM
Author: demanding tanning salon

Trumpmo here. Not a mfe on the subject but it doesn’t seem like the defendant should have any unnecessary contact with potential witnesses in a criminal trial.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295859)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:17 AM
Author: exciting piazza mediation

Maybe he just wanted to wish them a happy birthday, or let them know he was just thinking about them. Is that wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295915)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:28 AM
Author: swashbuckling church

Litigants can do whatever they want will witnesses as long as they don't pressure them to lie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296215)



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Date: August 30th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: Bateful Rehab

i don't think that's the case, practically speaking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36716774)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 8:27 PM
Author: pink talented casino

TBF he asked for a list of the people he shouldn't contact and they refused to provide it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36298420)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: awkward market

(Literal retard)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301323)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 2:45 PM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301765)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: White double fault foreskin

Being able to confront witnesses against you is a fundamental right. Practically it should have been done through counsel.

But muellers team is going around charging people in exchange for cooperation, which isn’t considered coerceising false testimony.

But a two minute phone where nobody explicitly asked for the witness to lie is. Lol ok.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301494)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:44 AM
Author: appetizing frozen son of senegal

In order for it be witness tampering doesn't he have to pressure them to lie? If you call someone and tell them to tell the truth I'm not sure that tampers with anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296020)



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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:09 AM
Author: thriller tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36305242)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:53 AM
Author: Cracking cordovan laser beams prole

How can it be witness tampering if Manafort doesn't even know who the witnesses are?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296070)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

God you’re dumb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296171)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:33 AM
Author: Cracking cordovan laser beams prole

is Manafort not allowed to talk to people?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296231)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:37 AM
Author: Mischievous depressive whorehouse

No, only the FBI is allowed to contact witnesses, threaten them with prison, and then get ask them for the TRUTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296245)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

You’re even dumber

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297345)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: abnormal ape

PSA stupid nigger, you are the dumbest motherfucker in this thread and probably every thread you post here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297359)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:26 PM
Author: Twisted trailer park

TDS and AA have permanently and irreversibly crippled him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297363)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: abnormal ape

Let's be honest, he was always a fucking idiot. But going Hiroshima on his own brain cells with Jim Beam didn't do any favors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297377)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:45 PM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

What the hell is AA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36299020)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:28 AM
Author: Twisted trailer park

It starts with affirm and ends with tion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36299516)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: awkward market

No one is this stupid so good flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301326)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:30 PM
Author: hairless boyish home

I have no opinion on the viability of an independent prosecution, but his conditions of pretrial release almost certainly barred any contact with potential witnesses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297375)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: abnormal ape

Trump will be indicted for Russian collusion now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297380)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:49 AM
Author: avocado school cafeteria

I'll settle for unindicted co-conspirator, but even if Mueller won't pull the trigger on that, having Manafort and Misha Flynn dead to rights on a wire planning the Podesta email release will be enough to take the polling on "should Trump be impeached" from the 42% it currently sits at up to around 65-70%. OTOH, if Mueller can't actually demonstrate any substantive collusion after all this and just charges a bunch of process crimes it's a pretty decent boost to Trump's re-elect chances.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36299856)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:59 AM
Author: Twisted trailer park

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36299878)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 11:28 AM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

Nobody gives a fuck about Podesta or Crooked, get that through your head. Russian state banks gave Trump hundreds of millions of dollars in the five years before he ran for president and when he won they demanded that he pay them back by stopping congressional sanctions. That is what will lead to impeachment not "substantive collusion," whatever the fuck that means. And Flynn is an agent of Russia. Lol at caring whether he exchanged emails with Assange or some dumb shit like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301025)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: Beady-eyed swollen forum roommate

LJL at this fan fiction

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301187)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: Primrose Charismatic Indian Lodge Fortuitous Meteor

Banks give away money in Russia? No wonder their economy sucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301304)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: Plum elastic band queen of the night

"instead of repayment, we will hope one of our borrowers will win us election. its genius!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301333)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 2:29 PM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

https://www.google.com/amp/s/splinternews.com/how-the-hell-did-the-trump-organization-access-so-much-1825801333/amp

A new report in The Washington Post reveals that in the nine years before Trump launched his presidential campaign, the Trump Organization spent more than $400 million in cash on real estate deals. This represents a striking departure for a business that previously had relied heavily on debt to do business. The Post investigation, compiled from public records, raises as many key questions as it answers regarding the source of funds used by the Trump family over nearly a decade

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/17/business/trump-organization-russia-mueller.html

In the past decade, the Trump Organization has bought and refurbished several golf courses around the world, but the financing behind those deals remains something of a mystery. A respected golf writer says that Eric Trump, a son of Mr. Trump’s who is now helping to run the Trump Organization, told him the money came from Russia.

Last year, during an interview on Boston public radio, the golf journalist James Dodson recounted a conversation he had had with Eric Trump in 2013 on a newly opened Trump golf course in Charlotte, N.C. Mr. Dodson said he had asked Mr. Trump about the company’s sources of funds, and Mr. Trump told him, “We have pretty much all the money we need from investors in Russia.”

Eric Trump has denied making the comment about Russia, but several of Mr. Dodson’s friends and colleagues confirmed that Mr. Dodson relayed the anecdote to them shortly after the conversation took place.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301706)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: thriller tank

What's the theory here? Trump defaulted on the loans and Russians told him they would foreclose unless he became president?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301816)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 2:57 PM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

Who says they were loans? What kind of lender doesn’t take a security interest in the subject matter of the transactions for which the money was obtained?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301847)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

No, they invest it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301591)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:32 AM
Author: thriller tank

"potential" witnesses?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36299778)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:22 PM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

Yes dummy until they testify they are all potential witnesses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301261)



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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:09 AM
Author: thriller tank

Isn't everyone a potential witness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36305240)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: Yellow aphrodisiac corner digit ratio

Ah, the well noted text message and short phone call carve out to witness tampering

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301501)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301895)



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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: big deranged faggot firefighter

I lol'd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36305235)



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Date: August 30th, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: gay space ceo

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36716711)



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Date: August 30th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: laughsome salmon kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36716768)



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Date: August 30th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: chartreuse ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36716777)



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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: Fuchsia generalized bond toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36305233)



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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:14 AM
Author: gay space ceo

haha wow. op got gaped pretty badly ITT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36305259)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:30 PM
Author: diverse aqua pit pozpig

total farthhhhh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36315413)