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SCOTUS: 4th Protects Cell Phone Location Data fr Towers (5-4 - Roberts + 4 Libs)

roberts + 4 libs. something tells me scalia would also have ...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
Roberts becoming nice shitlib.. praise Allah
Indecent pontificating base death wish
  06/22/18
the left/right model doesnt work on crimpro decisions. the s...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
Bootlickers
flatulent thirsty dragon dilemma
  06/22/18
alito's dissent here is fucking retarded as fuck
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
(ANTI ITALIAN JOO MOTHERFUKER)
Indecent pontificating base death wish
  06/22/18
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stirring dun university
  06/22/18
180
rose kitchen
  06/22/18
this case reminds me of tsinah's benzo heatmaps: >>...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
Remember Scalia literally worrying about the lady of the hou...
Lemon Field Patrolman
  06/22/18
ljl was that in kyllo? in 2018 he'd need to write about t...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
odd nod to faggotry >> Mapping a cell phone’s loca...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
180 to roberts for citing EFF >>At any rate, the ru...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
180
stirring dun university
  06/22/18
tbf, this roberts footnote is kinda catty/faggy >>4...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
Gorsuch is a kooky dood who would blow everything up if he w...
Startling Marketing Idea Roommate
  06/22/18
havent got to his dissent yet, but i agree these tests are r...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
Gorsuch suggests you get to the same result through property...
Startling Marketing Idea Roommate
  06/22/18
interesting. this gets back to what i poasted yesterday abou...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
is this incorrectly bluebooked: >>As Justice Brande...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
AMK's dissent cites xo poaster/lurker orin kerr >>T...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
ljl AMK has an "appendix" that consists solely of ...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
ljl from CT >>I agree with JUSTICE KENNEDY, JUSTIC...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
CT citing anals from 1789 >>This limiting language ...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18
CT deeply reading the scholarly sweets: >>Jurists ...
Drab Foreskin
  06/22/18


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Date: June 22nd, 2018 10:53 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

roberts + 4 libs. something tells me scalia would also have joined the libs on this one

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290045)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 10:55 AM
Author: Indecent pontificating base death wish

Roberts becoming nice shitlib.. praise Allah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290065)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

the left/right model doesnt work on crimpro decisions. the shitlibs are usually more faithful to the constitution, unfortunately. other than scalia, most of the conservatives ignore the constitution for crimpro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290091)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:00 AM
Author: flatulent thirsty dragon dilemma

Bootlickers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290110)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

alito's dissent here is fucking retarded as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290164)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:22 AM
Author: Indecent pontificating base death wish

(ANTI ITALIAN JOO MOTHERFUKER)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290238)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:05 AM
Author: stirring dun university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290141)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 10:57 AM
Author: rose kitchen

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290081)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

this case reminds me of tsinah's benzo heatmaps:

>>The question we confront today is how to apply the

Fourth Amendment to a new phenomenon: the ability to

chronicle a person’s past movements through the record of

his cell phone signals. Such tracking partakes of many of

the qualities of the GPS monitoring we considered in

Jones. Much like GPS tracking of a vehicle, cell phone

location information is detailed, encyclopedic, and effortlessly

compiled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290101)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:03 AM
Author: Lemon Field Patrolman

Remember Scalia literally worrying about the lady of the house for actual heat maps?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290131)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:06 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

ljl was that in kyllo?

in 2018 he'd need to write about the ladyboi of the house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290147)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:02 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

odd nod to faggotry

>> Mapping a cell phone’s location over the course

of 127 days provides an all-encompassing record of the

holder’s whereabouts. As with GPS information, the timestamped

data provides an intimate window into a person’s

life, revealing not only his particular movements, but

through them his “familial, political, professional, religious,

and sexual associations.” Id., at 415 (opinion of

SOTOMAYOR, J.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290125)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:04 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

180 to roberts for citing EFF

>>At any rate, the rule the Court adopts “must take account

of more sophisticated systems that are already in

use or in development.” Kyllo, 533 U. S., at 36. While the

records in this case reflect the state of technology at the

start of the decade, the accuracy of CSLI is rapidly approaching

GPS-level precision. As the number of cell sites

has proliferated, the geographic area covered by each cell

sector has shrunk, particularly in urban areas. In addition,

with new technology measuring the time and angle of

signals hitting their towers, wireless carriers already have

the capability to pinpoint a phone’s location within 50

meters. Brief for Electronic Frontier Foundation et al. as

Amici Curiae 12 (describing triangulation methods that

estimate a device’s location inside a given cell sector).

Accordingly, when the Government accessed CSLI from

the wireless carriers, it invaded Carpenter’s reasonable

expectation of privacy in the whole of his physical

movements.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290137)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:06 AM
Author: stirring dun university

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290146)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

tbf, this roberts footnote is kinda catty/faggy

>>4 JUSTICE GORSUCH faults us for not promulgating a complete code

addressing the manifold situations that may be presented by this new

technology—under a constitutional provision turning on what is “reasonable,”

no less. Post, at 10–12. Like JUSTICE GORSUCH, we “do not

begin to claim all the answers today,” post, at 13, and therefore decide

no more than the case before us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290155)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Startling Marketing Idea Roommate

Gorsuch is a kooky dood who would blow everything up if he were king, but his dissent seems spot on in this one. The Court's 4A jurisprudence is a joke that doesn't reflect the way any modern American understands life. The tests are bullshit and getting even bullshittier to cover up foundational doctrinal flaws.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290157)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:10 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

havent got to his dissent yet, but i agree these tests are retarded but i like the result achieved here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290167)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: Startling Marketing Idea Roommate

Gorsuch suggests you get to the same result through property rights because your cell site data is yours even though a company has access to it. But he can't decide the case on that basis because the lawyers understandably built their argument around the last 60 years of case law not on a theory that overrules Katz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290182)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

interesting. this gets back to what i poasted yesterday about wayfair -- that having to tailor arguments around some notion of thuper-prethedent and treat katz as sacroscint is totally retarded.

why didnt gorsuch want to blow it all up in wayfair and overrule 50 yrs of bad decisions tho?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290194)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

is this incorrectly bluebooked:

>>As Justice Brandeis explained in his famous dissent, the

Court is obligated—as “[s]ubtler and more far-reaching

means of invading privacy have become available to the

Government”—to ensure that the “progress of science”

does not erode Fourth Amendment protections. Olmstead

v. United States, 277 U. S. 438, 473–474 (1928)

dont you need a (BRAnDEIS, J., dissenting)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290173)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

AMK's dissent cites xo poaster/lurker orin kerr

>>Technological changes involving cell phones have complex

effects on crime and law enforcement. Cell phones

make crimes easier to coordinate and conceal, while also

providing the Government with new investigative tools

that may have the potential to upset traditional privacy

expectations. See Kerr, An Equilibrium-Adjustment

Theory of the Fourth Amendment, 125 Harv. L. Rev 476,

512517 (2011).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290185)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:17 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

ljl AMK has an "appendix" that consists solely of a 3-sentence statute:

>>Appendix to opinion of KENNEDY, J.

APPENDIX

Ҥ2703. Required disclosure of customer communications

or records

“(d) REQUIREMENTS FOR COURT ORDER.—A court order

for disclosure under subsection (b) or (c) may be issued by

any court that is a court of competent jurisdiction and

shall issue only if the governmental entity offers specific

and articulable facts showing that there are reasonable

grounds to believe that the contents of a wire or electronic

communication, or the records or other information

sought, are relevant and material to an ongoing criminal

investigation. In the case of a State governmental authority,

such a court order shall not issue if prohibited by the

law of such State. A court issuing an order pursuant to

this section, on a motion made promptly by the service

provider, may quash or modify such order, if the information

or records requested are unusually voluminous in

nature or compliance with such order otherwise would

cause an undue burden on such provider.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290205)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

ljl from CT

>>I agree

with JUSTICE KENNEDY, JUSTICE ALITO, JUSTICE

GORSUCH, and every Court of Appeals to consider the

question that this is not the best reading of our

precedents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290216)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:21 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

CT citing anals from 1789

>>This limiting language was important to the founders.

Madison’s first draft of the Fourth Amendment used a

different phrase: “their persons, their houses, their papers,

and their other property.” 1 Annals of Cong. 452 (1789)

——————

8The answer to that question is not obvious. Cell-site location records

are business records that mechanically collect the interactions

between a person’s cell phone and the company’s towers; they are not

private papers and do not reveal the contents of any communications.

Cf. Schnapper, Unreasonable Searches and Seizures of Papers, 71 Va.

L. Rev. 869, 923–924 (1985) (explaining that business records that do

not reveal “personal or speech-related confidences” might not satisfy

the original meaning of “papers”).

(emphasis added). In one of the few changes made to

Madison’s draft, the House Committee of Eleven changed

“other property” to “effects.” See House Committee of

Eleven Report (July 28, 1789), in N. Cogan, The Complete

Bill of Rights 334 (2d ed. 2015). T

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290225)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:24 AM
Author: Drab Foreskin

CT deeply reading the scholarly sweets:

>>Jurists

and commentators tasked with deciphering our jurisprudence

have described the Katz regime as “an unpredictable

jumble,” “a mass of contradictions and obscurities,” “all

over the map,” “riddled with inconsistency and incoherence,”

“a series of inconsistent and bizarre results that

[the Court] has left entirely undefended,” “unstable,”

“chameleon-like,” “‘notoriously unhelpful,’” “a conclusion

rather than a starting point for analysis,” “distressingly

unmanageable,” “a dismal failure,” “flawed to the core,”

“unadorned fiat,” and “inspired by the kind of logic that

produced Rube Goldberg’s bizarre contraptions.”10

10Kugler & Strahilevitz, Actual Expectations of Privacy, Fourth

Amendment Doctrine, and the Mosaic Theory, 2015 S. Ct. Rev. 205,

261; Bradley, Two Models of the Fourth Amendment, 83 Mich. L. Rev.

1468 (1985); Kerr, Four Models of Fourth Amendment Protection, 60

Stan. L. Rev. 503, 505 (2007); Solove, Fourth Amendment Pragmatism,

51 Boston College L. Rev. 1511 (2010); Wasserstom & Seidman, The

Fourth Amendment as Constitutional Theory, 77 Geo. L. J. 19, 29

(1988); Colb, What Is a Search? Two Conceptual Flaws in Fourth

Amendment Doctrine and Some Hints of a Remedy, 55 Stan. L. Rev.

119, 122 (2002); Clancy, The Fourth Amendment: Its History and

Interpretation §3.3.4, p. 65 (2008); Minnesota v. Carter, 525 U. S. 83, 97

(1998) (Scalia, J., dissenting); State v. Campbell, 306 Ore. 157, 164, 759

P. 2d 1040, 1044 (1988); Wilkins, Defining the “Reasonable Expectation

of Privacy”: an Emerging Tripartite Analysis, 40 Vand. L. Rev. 1077,

1107 (1987); Yeager, Search, Seizure and the Positive Law: Expectations

of Privacy Outside the Fourth Amendment, 84 J. Crim. L. & C.

249, 251 (1993); Thomas, Time Travel, Hovercrafts, and the Framers:

James Madison Sees the Future and Rewrites the Fourth Amendment,

80 Notre Dame L. Rev. 1451, 1500 (2005); Rakas v. Illinois, 439 U. S.

128, 165 (1978) (White, J., dissenting); Cloud, Rube Goldberg Meets the

Constitution: The Supreme Court, Technology, and the Fourth

Amendment, 72 Miss. L. J. 5, 7 (2002)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007967&forum_id=2#36290250)