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ACLU: Defense of free speech may harm our equality and justice work.

In carrying out the ACLU’s commitment to defend freedom of s...
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are they just acknowledging this and saying that they will c...
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Give you 1 guess
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according to the document, they are making a loose and unver...
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nobody on xo 2018 is literate
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can you even imagine being some hardcore ACLU exec and disag...
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the other jew finally dropped
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:30 PM
Author: marvelous green locale queen of the night

In carrying out the ACLU’s commitment to defend freedom of speech, a number of specific considerations may arise. We emphasize that in keeping with our commitment to advancing free speech for all, these are neutral principles that apply to all speakers, irrespective of the speaker’s particular political views:

. . . .

The impact of the proposed speech and the impact of its suppression: Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed, depending on factors such as the (present and historical) context of the proposed speech; the potential effect on marginalized communities; the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are contrary to our values; and the structural and power inequalities in the community in which the speech will occur.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/20180621ACLU.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292503)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: Mind-boggling infuriating casino

Put a fork in it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292516)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Appetizing dopamine pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292529)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Drab fear-inspiring really tough guy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292524)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Federal philosopher-king corner

Old school, new school, &c.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292527)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: talented tattoo

these people defend literal rapists and psychotic murderers, but not the free speech rights of "white supremacists" - why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292532)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Outnumbered rigpig

it will only get MUCH worse from here. these big leftist institutions are still largely controlled by boomers, some of whom still have SOME of the old sensibilities about abstract ideals. they are gradually being replaced by gen-x and millennial SJW zealots who are violently opposed to such ideals and think that OPPOSING censorship of things they dislike is a form of naziism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292537)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: Dun indian lodge puppy

Thats fine, I want the zealots to takeover these institutions so that they will finally collapse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292671)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:58 PM
Author: flesh glittery french chef son of senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36303743)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Cracking Goal In Life

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292553)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:26 PM
Author: marvelous green locale queen of the night

Every organization has its dark chapters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36294069)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:41 PM
Author: Slimy saffron travel guidebook area



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Zippy aromatic famous landscape painting stage

are they just acknowledging this and saying that they will continue to defend free speech regardless, or going full SJW on us?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292638)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:51 PM
Author: Insecure Big Corn Cake Headpube

Give you 1 guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292643)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:56 PM
Author: Zippy aromatic famous landscape painting stage

according to the document, they are making a loose and unverifiable commitment to the former

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292691)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: slap-happy parlor skinny woman

nobody on xo 2018 is literate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36303765)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: irradiated bearded ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292653)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:53 PM
Author: Dun indian lodge puppy

Is there anyone within the ACLU who will push back against this or has the entire organization gone irredeemably shitlib?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292662)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:56 PM
Author: talented tattoo

can you even imagine being some hardcore ACLU exec and disagreeing with any of that in today's climate? They might get killed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292688)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:57 PM
Author: Dun indian lodge puppy

Their silence shows that boomer leaders are rotted from within. They are so desperate to keep their salaries and offices that they will let the organizations they are supposed to steward for implode.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292704)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: glassy parlour

let's be quite blunt; some of this is because the lecherous old boomer perverts who hold power in these organizations are promoting and implementing the favored policies of the young women they are fucking inside of those groups.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292744)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 4:55 PM
Author: cerebral well-lubricated hominid

the other jew finally dropped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292678)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: cerebral well-lubricated hominid

Three potential reads on this:

(1) Naive view: True as stated. The ACLU is balancing its interests in promoting free speech on the one hand and helping blacks and queers make America worse on the other, and finds that the former has a deleterious effect on the latter. For that reason it will limit its still-cherished mission of free speech (presumably because free speech still has weakly positive instrumental value, as a rule, in ruining society).

(2) Hopeful view: The ACLU had a genuine commitment to the principle of free speech, viewing the principle itself as either sacrosanct in its own right or as the guarantor of freedom. But the ACLU has finally succumbed to moral pressure to renege on that commitment, since free speech can be and is being used against the agenda of the socially vulnerable (or whatever the ACLU calls blacks and queers). This was the inevitable consequence of a shift in liberal values away from a politics of freedom and toward a harm-based morality. It is not formally dropping free speech as a principle to which it is dedicated for reasons of optics.

(3) Other view: Free speech was useful in corroding American society in previous decades. Since it is now being used to defend whatever vestiges remain of culture and tradition, it's time to drop it as a principle worth defending.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292749)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: Mind-boggling infuriating casino

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292761)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: Dun indian lodge puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292778)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 5:09 PM
Author: Alcoholic Cyan Piazza Water Buffalo

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292771)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: sepia supple stag film

3, see my other post itt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292775)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:40 PM
Author: flesh glittery french chef son of senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36303647)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: slap-happy parlor skinny woman

this is basically an xo clickbait post "haha like and reply with your opinion xd"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36303766)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: sepia supple stag film

http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/blog/baldwin.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292764)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: Alcoholic Cyan Piazza Water Buffalo

if you dont pray to a picture of the furher before bed every night at this point, you are insane. thats all i have to say about this issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36292768)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: marvelous green locale queen of the night

ACLU responds, making reference to "lived experience."

"Kaminer objects to any acknowledgement that speech can cause harm. But that is simply a recognition of fact, and denying it flies in the face of LIVED EXPERIENCE and ignores the costs of free speech."

https://reason.com/volokh/2018/06/22/aclus-david-cole-responds-about-aclu-and



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36294510)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:11 PM
Author: excitant orange legend immigrant

IMORTANT REMINDER: THE COMMUNIST SPLC IS A GENOCIDAL JEWISH TERRORIST GROUP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36294513)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:38 PM
Author: Slimy saffron travel guidebook area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4008245&forum_id=2#36303635)