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Brindle arousing gaming laptop
  07/20/18
https://apnews.com/d25f4aeb92e449de9613c80c14ad4657/Colleges...
Brindle arousing gaming laptop
  07/20/18
"We’ll pay your tuition if you offer us a percentage of...
cobalt double fault box office
  07/20/18
it's not a loan, it's an "alternate financing model&quo...
heady shitlib
  07/20/18
My Rich Uncle tried something similar and failed. https:/...
Grizzly House
  07/20/18
Not a bad idea. Especially if schools only get a share of wa...
Drab roast beef forum
  07/20/18
you're just agreeing to an income based repayment structure ...
heady shitlib
  07/20/18
IBR doesn't put the risk of loss on the school, "sharec...
Drab roast beef forum
  07/20/18
Nothing in that article suggests that the schools will forgi...
heady shitlib
  07/20/18
The article suggests the terms of these arrangements fix (a)...
Drab roast beef forum
  07/20/18
It doesn't say anything in the article about a fixed term.
heady shitlib
  07/20/18
Are you a lawyer?
Drab roast beef forum
  07/20/18
um, are you? please quote exactly where it says there is a f...
heady shitlib
  07/20/18
It could be "In contrast with traditional loans, in wh...
Brass apoplectic milk
  07/20/18
"Those touting the programs say they give colleges grea...
heady shitlib
  07/20/18
tbh a school could continue taking payments for the set peri...
Brass apoplectic milk
  07/20/18
because it's a loan and that extra bit is the interest on th...
heady shitlib
  07/20/18
There is no set principal due at the end of the term. It is ...
Drab roast beef forum
  07/20/18
Me and everyone else here also have "business clients&q...
heady shitlib
  07/20/18
so you're not a lawyer
Drab roast beef forum
  07/20/18
The school has a pile of money that they let you use for som...
heady shitlib
  07/20/18
ok i am admittedly just trolling with that last comment &...
Drab roast beef forum
  07/20/18
cr. boogie being pretty obtuse here.
Fear-inspiring fishy alpha
  07/20/18
No, I'm just looking at it from a practical standpoint.
heady shitlib
  07/20/18
from a practical standpoint they are still very different. ...
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Brass apoplectic milk
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law schools effectively do this. why not, instead of chargin...
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  07/20/18
Because they will get less money
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  07/20/18
They will get more money
walnut temple community account
  07/20/18
law schools do not do this. They have zero accountability if...
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  07/20/18
But because employment and salary determine repayment, it’s ...
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my English degree allows me to infuse my poasts with zest, w...
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They don't qualify for debt so they must sell themselves as ...
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sort of agree. it starts off as preferred equity that conve...
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If you can't STUDENT LOANS to pursue something you should as...
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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:16 PM
Author: Brindle arousing gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465839)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:16 PM
Author: Brindle arousing gaming laptop

https://apnews.com/d25f4aeb92e449de9613c80c14ad4657/Colleges-ask-for-a-share-of-future-salary-in-lieu-of-loans

MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — As more students balk at the debt loads they face after graduation, some colleges are offering an alternative: We’ll pay your tuition if you offer us a percentage of your future salary.

Norwich University announced Tuesday that it will become the latest school to offer this type of contract, known as an income share agreement. Norwich’s program is starting out on a small scale, mainly for students who do not have access to other types of loans or those who are taking longer than the traditional eight semesters to finish their degree.

“Norwich University is committed to offering this new way to help pay for college in a way that aligns incentives and helps reduce financial barriers to degree completion,” said Lauren Wobby, the school’s chief financial officer and treasurer.

In contrast with traditional loans, in which students will simply pay down the principal and interest until there is nothing left, students with income share agreements pay back a percentage of their salary for a set period of time. Those touting the programs say they give colleges greater incentive to help students find high-earning jobs after graduation, because a higher salary means the school may recoup its investment in a shorter period of time.

For some students, income share agreements are seen as less risky, especially if they end up in a lower-paying job or struggle to find work after graduation. While students are unemployed or earning below a certain threshold they don’t have to pay anything back.

“Taking on the debt through a contract, where you don’t take on a debt per se but instead will repay a portion of your future income, has a certain appeal to students when the concept is fully explained to them,” said Clare McCann, deputy director for education policy at the New America Foundation.

But because employment and salary determine repayment, it’s possible providers could be seen as discriminating against recipients who choose lower-paying professions.

“If income share agreement providers aren’t careful, they can definitely see unintended consequences in discriminatory terms toward students. This is one of the biggest differences between income share agreements and federal student loans,” McCann said. “Federals loans offer the same terms to all borrowers.”

Income share agreements were first proposed by Milton Friedman in 1955, and Yale University briefly experimented with the idea in the 1970s. In the past decade, technical training programs, such as coding boot camps, have used this type of funding largely because participants do not have access to federal student loans.

In 2015, Oakton, Virginia-based Vemo Education began working with accredited colleges and universities. The company now works with nearly 30 public and private colleges and universities across the country, including Norwich University.

Vemo’s first partnership was with Purdue University. It began financing the school’s “Back a Boiler” income share agreement program in 2016.

Andrew Hoyler, 22, graduated from Purdue last year with a degree in professional flight with the goal of becoming a pilot. Now he is working as a pilot for American Airlines regional carrier PSA Airlines.

“One of the biggest pros for the income share agreement was the fact that out-of-college pilots do not make a lot of money, especially looking at the costs for an educational program,” Hoyler said.

The terms can vary, notably the length of the agreement and the salary percentage. Hoyler is currently paying back 8 percent of his income. Since future salary is generally unpredictable, it can be difficult to forecast how much a student will pay back over time, although most agreements do place a cap on the amount paid back.

Hoyler took out federal loans but said the income share agreement helped him avoid working multiple jobs while starting out last year as a flight instructor. Hoyler said he may end up paying more for the income share agreement in the long run as his salary rises, but deemed it a worthy trade-off.

For students who can’t make ends meet with scholarships, grants and federal loans, income share agreements can meet that need for students who otherwise would turn to federal loans to parents or private loans.

“The schools are doing it now because they want alternate financing models,” said Vemo CEO Tonio DeSorrento.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465842)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:18 PM
Author: cobalt double fault box office

"We’ll pay your tuition if you offer us a percentage of your future salary."

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"Instead of a loan, we will offer you an immediate payment in exchange for delayed future repayment." (snicker)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465853)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:20 PM
Author: heady shitlib

it's not a loan, it's an "alternate financing model" hehe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465867)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: Grizzly House

My Rich Uncle tried something similar and failed.

https://lendedu.com/blog/my-rich-uncle-company-history/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465906)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:19 PM
Author: Drab roast beef forum

Not a bad idea. Especially if schools only get a share of wages above some reasonable minimum, like 50k annual salary, for a fixed period of time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465860)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:21 PM
Author: heady shitlib

you're just agreeing to an income based repayment structure at the outset. It's literally just a loan, man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465872)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: Drab roast beef forum

IBR doesn't put the risk of loss on the school, "sharecropping" does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465888)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:27 PM
Author: heady shitlib

Nothing in that article suggests that the schools will forgive your debt if you have a low paying job. You'll just have to give them their cut for a longer period of time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465899)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:33 PM
Author: Drab roast beef forum

The article suggests the terms of these arrangements fix (a) a rate and (b) a term. There is no principal amount to be repaid. "Debt" is a promise to deliver a specified amount of money in the future, usually with interest. This sharecropping is literally not debt. It's more like preferred equity. It has its problems, sure, but I think it would do more to align the economic interests of the schools with their students.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465932)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:37 PM
Author: heady shitlib

It doesn't say anything in the article about a fixed term.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465961)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: Drab roast beef forum

Are you a lawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465983)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:06 PM
Author: heady shitlib

um, are you? please quote exactly where it says there is a fixed term.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466170)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:29 PM
Author: Brass apoplectic milk

It could be

"In contrast with traditional loans, in which students will simply pay down the principal and interest until there is nothing left, students with income share agreements pay back a percentage of their salary for a set period of time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466349)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:41 PM
Author: heady shitlib

"Those touting the programs say they give colleges greater incentive to help students find high-earning jobs after graduation, because a higher salary means the school may recoup its investment in a shorter period of time."

OH WHAT A SET PERIOD OF TIME

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466444)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:42 PM
Author: Brass apoplectic milk

tbh a school could continue taking payments for the set period of time even if their original investment had already been recouped. In fact, I'd be shocked if they didn't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466451)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 3:05 PM
Author: heady shitlib

because it's a loan and that extra bit is the interest on the loan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466592)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: Drab roast beef forum

There is no set principal due at the end of the term. It is - by definition - not a loan. Any lawyer with business clients would understand this. And the above poaster quoted the language you were looking for. It really is a good idea. But universities will probably not have the political will to implement because it will require discrimination based on likely employment outcomes, which may vary with all kinds of things that SJWs (who control campus culture) will freak out about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466736)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:06 PM
Author: heady shitlib

Me and everyone else here also have "business clients" you fucking imbecile.

What do you think the phrase "the school may recoup its investment" means? In every practical sense it's loan. Quit being a pedant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466871)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:07 PM
Author: Drab roast beef forum

so you're not a lawyer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466880)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:09 PM
Author: heady shitlib

The school has a pile of money that they let you use for something with expectation that you'll pay it back later in accordance with certain terms. In what *practical* sense is that not considered a loan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466891)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:10 PM
Author: Drab roast beef forum

ok i am admittedly just trolling with that last comment

"recoup its investment" means recoup its equity investment. it invested 4 years of teaching resources, including faculty and administrative salaries, into a student. the compensation is a promise to pay a fixed percentage of variable income for a fixed period of time. what happens if student's income is zero for the entire term? school gets nothing with no recourse. that is how an income share arrangement works. it is NOT how debt works, especially not student debt, which remains due regardless of variables like employment outcome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466895)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring fishy alpha

cr.

boogie being pretty obtuse here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466908)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: heady shitlib

No, I'm just looking at it from a practical standpoint.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466940)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: Drab roast beef forum

from a practical standpoint they are still very different. if a student borrower defaults on school debt, the lender can sue to recoup what they are owed, and the student can't discharge that liability in bankruptcy. by contrast, if a student pays nothing under an income share arrangement because the student has no income, then - barring any gross misconduct by the student - the shareholder has no recourse. the distinction is crucial.

fwiw, i'm sticking it out in this subthread wasteland not because I'm a pedant but because i care very much about the subject. many in my generation (millenial) don't understand the difference between debt and equity, which I think has contributed to a string of bad decisions that have fucked them for life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466980)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: infuriating garrison

Student at the dining hall:

"Can I have a refill for my soda?"

"Free refills are for students on the premium dining plan - luckily you can change any time! Just sign here to extend your emancipation date from July 8, 2035 to February 1, 2037."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465890)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: high-end appetizing becky



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:35 PM
Author: Mauve Vigorous Stead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465950)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: Fragrant Free-loading Liquid Oxygen Church Building

you really have wasted your talents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465955)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:46 PM
Author: Mint contagious filthpig abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466016)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:46 PM
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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:46 PM
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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:59 PM
Author: adventurous khaki digit ratio rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466564)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 3:06 PM
Author: Maniacal black woman



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: titillating resort sound barrier



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Date: July 20th, 2018 7:03 PM
Author: Brass apoplectic milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36467948)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: Flirting laughsome site striped hyena

law schools effectively do this. why not, instead of charging 350,000?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465904)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:37 PM
Author: Translucent cruise ship mood

Because they will get less money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465959)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: walnut temple community account

They will get more money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466679)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:39 PM
Author: Drab roast beef forum

law schools do not do this. They have zero accountability if their graduates default on their student loans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465964)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: Racy affirmative action

But because employment and salary determine repayment, it’s possible providers could be seen as discriminating against recipients who choose lower-paying professions.

“If income share agreement providers aren’t careful, they can definitely see unintended consequences in discriminatory terms toward students. This is one of the biggest differences between income share agreements and federal student loans,” McCann said. “Federals loans offer the same terms to all borrowers.”

Bug, feature, etc.

This is great. Removes the incentive to skin sheep for 90K and an English degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36465976)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:46 PM
Author: Mint contagious filthpig abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466023)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: Hateful Razzmatazz Crackhouse

my English degree allows me to infuse my poasts with zest, wit, and impeccable punctuation. If that is not worth $90K than what is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466393)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: walnut temple community account

They don't qualify for debt so they must sell themselves as equity. Vocational schools should pile into this trade.

The amazing thing about this instrument is that it's a contractual obligation with all the upside of equity but legally acts more like junior debt. If the individual fails to pay, you enforce a breach claim and become a judgement creditor. You're a trade creditor without the judgement and I'm sure that there are covenants on taking out senior debt.

The only way to win these games is refuse to play.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36466701)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:46 PM
Author: Drab roast beef forum

sort of agree. it starts off as preferred equity that converts to debt in the event of breach. but no student should agree to this kind of arrangement without some sort of income floor that permits them to meet basic needs before paying the dividend (e.g., student only pays the % dividend on earnings in excess of $35k annual salary).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36467119)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:17 PM
Author: walnut temple community account

If you can't STUDENT LOANS to pursue something you should ask more questions about yourself than the lender or the instrument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031035&forum_id=2#36471152)