Talk me out of buying a Kimber Adirondack in 6.5 Creedmoor & Swaro Z3 scope
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: alcoholic alpha
Going on a caribou hunt in a couple of days. About to drop $2,500 on rifle and 4-12x50 Z3. My main hunting gun is a Kimber Montana chambered in .325 WSM with a Zeiss 3-9x40. Don't really need another gun, but I keep coming up with reasons... (my 9yo will be able to shoot it soon and go hunting with me).
https://www.kimberamerica.com/adirondack
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36568537)
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: Awkward iridescent half-breed
http://www.bergarausa.com/Bergara_Production_Rifles.php
I don’t know which is better, but one of these is on my wish list in 6.5.
If there is a blue wave, I’ll snap one up.
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: pearly indecent theatre pozpig
I’m not really an expert on caribou but I didn’t realize 6.5cm was big r ouch (barring excellent shot placement of course). I know that the creedmoor as an elk round is somewhat controversial.
Either way I love the creedmoor
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Date: August 7th, 2018 11:13 AM Author: alcoholic alpha
Fucking Cohen! He always benefits.
Seriously though... the Adirondack is getting great reviews.
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Date: August 9th, 2018 12:27 AM Author: alcoholic alpha
Common sense did not prevail. Chalk one up for GC.
https://imgur.com/a/OgmH7yN
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Date: August 9th, 2018 12:50 AM Author: alcoholic alpha
I have 308's, 30-06,300 winmag, 338 rifles too. 6.5 CR may be a fad, but I'm super imposed by the research I've done.
Windage are great because you get large caliber in a short action. My 325 wsm is amazing at felt recoil compared to similar may calibers.
Yes, I'm one of the few Alaskan poasters
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Date: August 9th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: alcoholic alpha
First three shots out of the barrel at 100 yards. Factory Hornady ELD-X 143 gr
I think I’ve got a keeper
https://imgur.com/a/b2nj5FI
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Date: August 9th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: alcoholic alpha
Just checked sights on my .325 WSM. 3 shots at 100yards. I’d say I won the Kimber lottery. Both of my Kimbers shoot lights out.
https://imgur.com/a/7ETh9k7
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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: violet faggot firefighter famous landscape painting
The 6.5 creedmoor fad comes from the fact that it's a great case to shoot a high BC bullet.
6.5 CM can be had in a short action rifle (reduced weight).
High grain (140gr+) 6.5 bullets have high BCs, which mean more resistant to wind drift at longer distances and able to carry more energy at impact at further distances.
The case design (brass) of the round has steeper shoulders and longer necks, which allows you to seat the longer, higher grain bullets further out inside the brass than you normally would because the longer necks allow you to maintain tension on the bullet. This is important because the further the bullet is inside the case means there is less room for powder, thus potentially hampering velocity due to a decrease in powder. So with the 6.5 CM, you can seat the bullet out further due to the long neck of the case without having to lower powder charge, thus able to maximize velocities as much as possible.
It's a great round for recreational target shooting for the reasons listed above. It's properties are conducive for long range shooting because you can launch those high BC 140gr+ bullets with mild recoil and mild cost. To get the same BCs with a 308 (7.62) caliber bullet, you need to step up to 210gr+ bullets, which are going to cost more and require a larger case (thus more powder) to get them going at the needed velocities (e.g. 300 Win Mag). All this comes at a cost of more $$$ for powder and reloading supplies, as well as punishment on your shoulder due to the recoil sustained from shooting these for any sort of extended range session. If you're wanting to target practice out to, say, 750 yards, would you rather shoot 20 rounds of 6.5 CM or 20 rounds of 300 Win Mag? One is going to be pleasant to shoot and the other one is going to beat you up pretty good, especially with a light weight rifle like Kimber produces.
But if you're hunting, 99% of people's shots will be within 250 yards. With that range, there's no real difference in a 6.5 Creed, 7mm-08, or 308. So you might as well go with the 308 because it produces a bigger hole in the animal and gives you the option of stepping up to 180gr bullets, which you can't do with the others.
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Date: August 9th, 2018 5:14 PM Author: violet faggot firefighter famous landscape painting
No, just typed it up.
I'm not knocking any caliber or gun. Just giving the realities of it all.
If I had to have one rifle for hunting in North America, it'd be something light weight in a 308.
But what fun is only having one rifle?
Check out the 26 Nosler. 6.5mm with a shit ton of powder behind it. You can shoot those heavy 140 to 160gr bullets at well over 3,200fps. You could sight the rifle in at 250-300 yards and not have to do any adjusting in terms of hold over or anything until past 450-500 yards. Basically a totally flat shooting rifle out to 450-500 yards.
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Date: August 9th, 2018 7:27 PM Author: violet faggot firefighter famous landscape painting
also check out the 28 Nosler if you want a big 7 (7mm/.284).
You can shoot a 180gr. bullet with a BC of .796 (huge!) at over 3,100 fps, that's 3,842 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle. This would be a long range death machine.
I personally like a 308 for hunting deer east of Kansas where most shots are within 300 yards and use a 7mm Rem Mag or 28 Nosler for anything out west where I'm shooting 500+ yards potentially.
But getting back to the topic, 6.5 Creedmoor is perfect for a first gun for young teenager. It'll easily kill anything up to elk (I know it'll kill elk, but I'd want something stouter personally) and if you ever start to reload, the design of the case makes it ideals for reloading and long range shooting.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36588215)
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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:43 AM Author: alcoholic alpha
Here are some real world results.
6.5 Creedmoor. 1 shot, double lung. Just as dead as most any other caliber. See bullet hole in last pic.
My kimber Adirondack in first pic.
https://imgur.com/a/zWIuRi1
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