https://mobile.twitter.com/matthewschmitz/status/1034519978924539904?s=21

Make no mistake, those paying attention recognize that this is a civil war within the Catholic Church.

On one hand, you have the lavender/gay mafia, headed by Pope Francis. As you can see, they want nothing more than to turn the Church into a liberal political advocacy group (and they’ve largely been successful).

On the other, you have conservative leaders aligned with Bannon who are strongly opposed to this.

If the unfortunate happens and the (((Pope’s))) side wins, every practicing Catholic has a responsibility to renounce the Church and turn to something else. I’d prefer if you started following Joel Osteen, but this isn’t required. What is required, however, is to take action denouncing this satanic organization.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703347)

Wtf bra

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703400)

Haters decided to seize on the Osteen disclosure; I didn’t make a big deal of it. Blame them for carrying on in order to deflect from the main point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703410)

But I agree, the marriage between the (((media))) and the (((Pope))) makes the Good side’s chances seem slim at best.

But that’s why I made this thread. Good people must take action and leave, now that the Church has decided to display its true colors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703426)

If that side eventually wins, you wouldn’t feel like you are supporting a newly Evil organization?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703621)

Much like the Dark Ages, I will weather the storm by localizing my life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703713)

The church will be saved at the local level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703920)

Since there is now officially a Civil War (op eds calling for Francis’s resignation seal it), have to imagine that the losers will be purged, as in any coup attempt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703932)

IDGAF about big church politics. Ill continue going to my church, get involved with community groups, and remain blissfully unaware of the Byzantine intrigue at the top.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703616)

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&mc=26&forum_id=2#36703621

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703638)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703622)

In the scenario in my OP, the gay/lavender mafia prevails. Priest pedophilia and the Pope’s coverups are swept under the rug, and doubtlessly will occur again. The coup leaders are all forced to resign or otherwise marginalized in the Church. And the Church begins to get much more vocal and politically active in liberal causes, such as for open borders.

What do “loyal Catholics” do in your scenario? Absolutely nothing? Isn’t that tacitly supporting a newly evil organization?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703727)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmarian_Catholic_Church

https://sspx.org

List of all the splitaway catholic churches in the US:

http://www.ecclesia.luxvera.org/Directory-USA.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703826)

I thought you had to accept the Pope or nothing. Seems like you are saying a local church or group can just split off. That’s exactly what must happen if Evil prevails in this Civil War. My point is not to do nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703852)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope#List_of_historical_antipopes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703881)

There are two distinct factions within the church vying for power.

I suppose that if the Good side loses, there are enough of them that they will formally split off, leaving it up to local churches to choose a side. Does that sound right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703893)

Steve Bannon is a loser who dooms any cause he joins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36703993)

Sunday school for 8 years. Church every Sunday. All the sacraments.

Crippling guilt about everything deeply instilled.

Raised to constantly apologize & worry about what other people think.

Raised to live in constant fear of making mistakes.

The older I got, the more I really resented the mind-control institution that is the Catholic Church.

I’m not saying it doesn’t have benefits—it does. Catholic schools are generally very good (not that my family could afford to send me to one, but my mom had 12 years of Catholic schooling); kids often become relatively well-behaved, productive members of society. Local communities help each other out. Etc.

But the reverence for the “holiness” of priests (many of whom used the institution as a means to sexually abuse children) & the psychological damage promulgated by the church as a means to *control* its parishioners are just appalling to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36704048)

There’s a whole Wikipedia entry for the widely experienced phenomenon of “Catholic Guilt.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_guilt

Glad you didn’t experience it. Many have.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36704118)

"Researchers from the University of California at Berkeley and from the University of Notre Dame examined the concept of Catholic guilt among U.S. teenagers. The authors found no evidence of Catholic guilt in this population, noting that Catholicism both caused and relieved less guilt than other religious traditions."

"A study from Hofstra University reported no difference in total guilt among religions, although religiosity itself was connected to guilt."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36704629)

Because I surely did not.

Many religions are similar in their use of guilt as a controlling mechanism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36706893)

Homosexuality itself is not a sin. Gay sex, however, is.

Gay marriage is an absolute no-go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36706271)

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html

"The Catechism distinguishes between homosexual acts and homosexual tendencies.

Regarding acts, it teaches that Sacred Scripture presents them as grave sins. The Tradition has constantly considered them as intrinsically immoral and contrary to the natural law. Consequently, under no circumstance can they be approved.

Deep-seated homosexual tendencies, which are found in a number of men and women, are also objectively disordered and, for those same people, often constitute a trial. Such persons must be accepted with respect and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. They are called to fulfil God's will in their lives and to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter[8].

In the light of such teaching, this Dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question[9], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called "gay culture"[10]. "

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36707143)

Working at the Church

Learning all my holy moves

Doing some research

Which led me to a cash box

Labeled “Children’s Fund.”

I’d leave the change & tuck the bills

Inside my cummerbund

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36707509)

the catholic church is the bedrock of western civilization; just as you cannot ruin western civilization you will not be able to tear down the church

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4063440&forum_id=2#36706306)