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Trump renamed NAFTA and declared victory?
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Date: October 25th, 2018 7:47 AM Author: opaque boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37090945) |
Date: October 26th, 2018 12:43 PM Author: opaque boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37100117) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: opaque boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225546) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: purple roommate The auto manufacturing changes alone are significant, don't you think? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225563) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: opaque boistinker No. I haven't really seen anybody serious argue they are significant. Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225618) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: heady location well u see he isn't a TRUE scotsman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225626) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: purple roommate Let me ask you this, do you know anything about the agreement you are criticizing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225637) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: opaque boistinker Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225641) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:27 PM Author: purple roommate Ok, so why don't you think requiring a higher percentage of components be made for $16/hr to qualify for duty-free treatment is significant? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225790) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: opaque boistinker Because gains for the US auto industry resulting from this will likely be cancelled out by shipping production of smaller cars, the margins of which can't eat higher costs, outside the USMCA zone. Or result in higher prices to consumers from manufacturers passing the costs on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225829) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:44 PM Author: purple roommate Higher prices for new cars in exchange for more $16+/hr jobs in the U.S. is a trade off a lot of people (including a lot of Democrat redistributionists) would make. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225910) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:47 PM Author: opaque boistinker Even if the benefits are cancelled out by said higher prices? Doesn't make a ton of sense to be honest. I'd rather have real wage growth (which has fallen under Trump, by the way). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225931) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:52 PM Author: purple roommate The people buying new cars and the people working $16+/hr jobs are not the same people. That's the point that a lot of people miss when discussing trade and globalism (although I'm surprised an XO regular would miss that point).
If raising the price of caviar results in a better life for proles and a slightly diminished life for elites, that may be a wise decision even if GDP falls.
Now, if you're saying they will sell fewer cars overall, and therefore will not increase the number of U.S. jobs, that could be a valid point, but sounds speculative.
Link to real wage numbers? |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: opaque boistinker You don't think the costs of new cars going up incrementally would be reflected in later secondary market sales and still affect $16/hour types?
Totally get your point, I am just not sure that it is correct that it results in a better life for proles and a slightly diminished life for elites (assuming we are limiting the conversation to material goods and material quality of life and not more esoteric concepts like pride in work, etc.).
This is all speculative. Any observation of how companies will adapt to changing supply line pricing dynamics is inherently speculative.
Here are some good reads from a variety of sources. Maybe they move production here - maybe they move it outside the USMCA entirely, maybe they build in Mexico and export elsewhere, etc. It's pretty hard to say, but the consensus seems to be it will be net neutral.
https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/325999/usmca-aka-nafta-20-here-are-the-winners-amp-losers
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nafta-rewrite-wont-boost-u-s-growth-economists-say-1539266401
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Date: November 30th, 2018 3:44 PM Author: opaque boistinker Some of these articles are proving prescient. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37328462) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 6:36 PM Author: provocative sapphire principal's office kitty And steel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37226225) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:45 PM Author: Fluffy Indecent Theatre Halford Trump renamed NAFTA and libs acted like it was a trade war that would destroy the economy ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37225920) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: opaque boistinker Cr. Shitlib hysterics do the country no favors and make a sober and honest assessment of Trump's (limited) accomplishments more challenging. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37226029) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: Bossy know-it-all parlor cr. They set the goalposts in a pretty easy spot to hit. All the more reason not to want such idiots in charge of anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37226066) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 6:11 PM Author: opaque boistinker If the alternative is The Donald and Mitch McConnell teaming up to ensure the class divide becomes irreversible, I'm afraid I have to choose the feckless idiots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37226075) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 6:15 PM Author: Bossy know-it-all parlor Glad we agree that preventing opposition from running amok is plenty of reason to support the other side. I feel the same way, just the opposite. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37226108) |
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Date: November 30th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: opaque boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37328444) |
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Date: November 30th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: opaque boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37328495) |
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Date: November 30th, 2018 3:52 PM Author: crimson church building "wrong" is i guess the easy answer?
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Date: January 28th, 2019 6:26 AM Author: navy locus access to Canada's dairy market is a game changer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37677148) |
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Date: January 28th, 2019 7:16 AM Author: hilarious trust fund school cafeteria I thought Canada refused this and we caved (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37677191) |
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Date: January 28th, 2019 7:21 AM Author: abnormal medicated sanctuary nope, canadian dairy fags are MAF
Canadian dairy farmers fume that concessions granted US in new trade deal are too costly Canadian dairy farmers say the renegotiated deal with the U.S. to replace NAFTA could lead to hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue for producers.
President Donald Trump has previously blasted Canada's protectionist dairy policies as "not fair to our farmers" and harmful to milk producers in Wisconsin and other border states.
The newly minted United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement provides the U.S. with access to about 3.6 percent of Canada's dairy market and gets rid of a controversial domestic milk pricing class.
The leader of a Canadian dairy trade group says the new trade pact was a sign that Canada's dairy farmers "are nothing more than a bargaining chip to satisfy President Trump." |
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Date: January 28th, 2019 8:11 AM Author: slap-happy church Wow brilliant OP very cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37677237) |
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Date: January 28th, 2019 8:13 AM Author: Drunken Charismatic Gunner Corner Goddamn do you have even an ounce of shame? You’re so fucking pathetic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#37677243) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 11:24 AM Author: slap-happy church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4114638&forum_id=2#39259494) |