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Trump, a good negotiator, is asking for $5 billion to protect dreamers?
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:07 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker And was previously offered $25 billion for the same thing? But he turned it down? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37621814) |
Date: January 19th, 2019 4:09 PM Author: chocolate curious parlor I know that intellectual dishonesty is your thing in political threads, but try to link to the Democrats offering Trump $25 billion for the wall in exchange for Dreamer "protection," and Trump turning it down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37621826) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:21 PM Author: chocolate curious parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37621942) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:25 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker They were close under this framework in Jan 2018. You're right that Trump wasn't solely responsible for blowing that up. But he didn't even need a democratic vote to get that passed. He fucked up with the Republicans too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37621962) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:27 PM Author: appetizing school he's pretty shitty at getting people to go along with what he wants. every "victory" he's had while in office is either something he did unilaterally or something the GOP congress wanted and was going to do anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37621977) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:27 PM Author: Irradiated Cordovan Hospital Link to the Dems indicating they would agree to that? My recollection is he was trying to get funding in exchange for DACA and then the courts ruled in favor of DACA and it was dropped b/c there was no more bargaining room. Dems never even remotely said yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37621984) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:30 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker Yeah, they agreed to give him a ton of money to support border security programs that would work, but not the wall. He decided he wanted a wall instead of things that work.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/daca-deal-or-no-deal-trump-democrats-dreamers/539784/ |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:32 PM Author: rebellious stead mediation Haven't walls worked throughout the world for all of human history? Are you seriously arguing that a wall would not reduce illegal immigration flows? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622025) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:38 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker I think they're effective at preventing invasions of city states when no one has air support, but yeah, the wall won't reduce illegal immigration.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/largest-single-group-migrants-tunnels-border-wall-arizona/story?id=60462672 |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:09 PM Author: fragrant chest-beating ticket booth you're right that walls aren't going to do shit against the very real threat of the impoverished spic immigration air brigade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622187) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:25 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker Which is down 80 percent from GW's presidency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622282) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:35 PM Author: Irradiated Cordovan Hospital Schumer and Pelosi said they would back a legislative package bolstering border security but “excluding the wall”
"And was previously offered $25 billion for the same thing? But he turned it down?"
Link to $25 billion?
Link to them agreeing to a wall? |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:40 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker I was probably wrong on the number due to conflating the total cost of the wall with his current ask. That's all you'll remember, but the point was he's now offering a deal that he won't get on worse terms than he could have gotten. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622073) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:41 PM Author: Irradiated Cordovan Hospital He wants a wall. They never offered a wall. He previously offered the same thing. DACA for border security INCLUDING a wall. They wouldn't go for it despite DACA being such a "moral crisis" that they had a sit-in for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622081) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:42 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker Wanting a wall is really stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622084) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:42 PM Author: Irradiated Cordovan Hospital "the point was he's now offering a deal that he won't get on worse terms than he could have gotten."
So you admit you're wrong on all parts of what you said? |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:04 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker No, the part in quotes is still accurate if you care about border security. If you only care about a wall existing, which I guess he might, then you're right, I am completely wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622163) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:05 PM Author: Irradiated Cordovan Hospital Please tell me what better terms he could have gotten. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622170) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:06 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker Billions of dollars for effective border security. Did you demand a link and then not read the link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622177) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:10 PM Author: Irradiated Cordovan Hospital Nothing is effective without a wall. Dems would pay for enough agents to stand along the entire border within eyesight of each other to catch anyone trying to come over, rather than a wall which "won't work." There's no such thing as border security without a wall so it's all moot.
Why is Nancy unwilling to address a HUMANITARIAN crisis with DACA over a wall? It's all politics/optics. They're scared b/c they KNOW the wall will work. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:13 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker Walls aren't effective. Sorry. Actual agents 100 feet apart would be.
There is no humanitarian crisis on the wall. The caravans are the Fyre festivals of Honduras. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:15 PM Author: Irradiated Cordovan Hospital What's going to be more effective against a caravan:
A wall, which they have to figure out how to scale (and many of whom will be injured in the process), during which time agents and resources can be scrambled to that spot
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The couple of agents in the vicinity who are immediately overrun, and the caravan is long gone by the time support can get there. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:23 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker The caravans are all asylum seekers. $5 billion in Honduras, El Sal, Nicaragua would do more to reduce caravans than a wall. And I'm in support of those countries just murdering every gang member without due process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622267) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:24 PM Author: Wonderful Hell The caravans are all asylum seekers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622275) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:25 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker They're presenting themselves at the border for intake. Sure, maybe some split off and go through the desert. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622279) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:24 PM Author: Irradiated Cordovan Hospital lol yfwgi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622277) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:26 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker I don't think you, particularly, do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622285) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:21 PM Author: fragrant chest-beating ticket booth if you were intellectual honest you would admit that walls do work, but that the money would be more effective if spent elsewhere.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/borders-and-walls-do-barriers-deter-unauthorized-migration
if walls don't work, then how come other countries continue to build them? why has the us continued building with bipartisan support, and only now the democrats oppose them because it's what trump wants?
smugly saying shit like "this isn't the medieval ages" just makes you look unreasonable or an npc that gets his cues from maher and john oliver. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:24 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker I think you mean fencing, and I've said many times we could spend all of this money on more effective solutions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622276) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:29 PM Author: fragrant chest-beating ticket booth so a fence will work but a wall won't? why? doesn't a concrete wall do everything that a fence does and more? and what's the difference between a wall and a fence? the steel barrier trump is proposing looks more like a fence to me.
wall = physical barrier. why are you retreating to semantics? |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 10:13 PM Author: fuchsia territorial stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37623470) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:43 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker Seriously, I wish they would build the wall and have said repeatedly it could have been a part of the infrastructure plan. But it wouldn't reduce immigration. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622089) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:23 PM Author: Wonderful Hell border patrol says they want a wall and that they work. however, I doubt they've spoken to you yet. you should send them the info you have on how walls don't work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622273) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:30 PM Author: chocolate curious parlor Here is your OP. Are the answers to your questions yes or no?
Date: January 19th, 2019 4:07 PM Author: Bart O'Kavanaugh (not lawman8)
And was previously offered $25 billion for the same thing? But he turned it down? |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:31 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker lawman8, I stand corrected. It wasn't the same thing because he wants the money for a wall. It was a better thing and he is now insisting on a worse thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622013) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:31 PM Author: chocolate curious parlor Your first sentence is all that matters. Ok then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622018) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:32 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker Will you admit I am intellectually honest? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622024) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:33 PM Author: chocolate curious parlor You lied until being called out, and then tacked on another distortion to your admission of guilt. So no.
But, you didn't double down on the lie, so you have some standards at least. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:37 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker It's not a lie. He could have done a better deal last year.
Also, you said I was intellectually dishonest for pointing out that Buzzfeed invested in real journalists. Why was that intellectually dishonest? |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 10:19 PM Author: Swashbuckling free-loading abode sandwich you're talking to the board's most dishonest, self-loathing shitlib. you won't get anywhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37623488) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:43 PM Author: multi-colored stage toilet seat JFC, do you really have kids? Go spend some fucking time with them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622088) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:06 PM Author: submissive hairraiser wrinkle candlestick maker I have to later. One of them is napping and the other is in the crib. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37622174) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 10:24 PM Author: startling burgundy lay voyeur I think the 25 million was offered in exchange for a path to citizenship for like 3 million people. A 3 year extension of a program that has already been protected by the courts (and not picked up by scotus) isn't an offer of anything. Nobody anywhere is seriously contemplating preventing daca people from staying and continuing to work here at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181354&forum_id=2#37623498) |