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13 dismissed for cheating at UT. More possible.

The principal students involved in the cheating scandal sur...
Lino Graglia  05/21/06
Dismissed as in kicked out of law school? Or just failed th...
i'm not an expert but  05/21/06
Some are being told to return to Austin for pending honor co...
Lino Graglia  05/21/06
Have you talked to any of them after they got caught?
i'm not an expert but  05/21/06
I've only talked one girl about it. She didn't really want ...
Lino Graglia  05/21/06
Even if they just get an F and not get kicked out, they migh...
i'm not an expert but  05/21/06
Even the F with notation on their transcript is fucking brut...
Nicholas D. Wolfwood  05/21/06
Then they shouldn't have fucking cheated. They knew the con...
Shotgun Ned  05/21/06
I guess that's one response. Another option is to respond w...
Nicholas D. Wolfwood  05/21/06
Youthful mistake? 24-year olds aren't "youthful"....
Shotgun Ned  05/21/06
thank you for illustrating my point.
Nicholas D. Wolfwood  05/21/06
Uhh, what point? That they should be forgiven? If you have...
Shotgun Ned  05/21/06
the point that the forgiveness route doesn't fly on xoxo
Nicholas D. Wolfwood  05/22/06
it pretty much doesn't fly anywhere...what's the point of ru...
..,...,.,. ..,,,.,,..,., .,.,...,..,.  05/22/06
that's what they say about amnesty.
-+-_===  05/22/06
Except that that doesn't really hurt anyone else.
trendspotter  05/22/06
The point is there's no legitimate grounds for forgiveness i...
trendspotter  05/22/06
I concur. They cheated. They deserve whatever punishment t...
william_faulkner  10/02/06
fuck, I can forgive them but that doesn't mean they shouldn'...
Noob Saibot  06/16/06
Exactly. Cheating is for money.
9823ue8w9rufsdjkfhkjsalhdnasjsadf  05/22/06
I completely agree
Knight Rid3r  05/22/06
they should be expelled
utahman  05/22/06
T16.
Window Licker  05/23/06
Bullshit. They chose to do something that they knew was wro...
trendspotter  05/22/06
bull-fucking-shit. you're talking about people fucking over ...
Calm Before the Storm  05/23/06
Youthful mistake my ass. They were adults who knew complete...
Window Licker  05/23/06
You're an idiot.
trendspotter  10/02/06
this also seems to be an idiot situation in which to cheat. ...
vincentprice  05/22/06
I'd say it'd ruin their lives or at least their professional...
i'm not an expert but  05/21/06
my point is that they aren't dead, they aren't permanently c...
Nicholas D. Wolfwood  05/21/06
Well, no, their lives aren't ruined, but do they have any ch...
M80  05/21/06
True. They may have to reconsider their career choices.
i'm not an expert but  05/21/06
Their lives were already ruined when UT was the best school ...
mediumRare  05/21/06
ah, touche
Nicholas D. Wolfwood  05/21/06
T16pwn3d
i'm not an expert but  05/21/06
lateral? now they are free to do ibanking. i say its a pro...
..,...,.,. ..,,,.,,..,., .,.,...,..,.  05/22/06
fuck that. keep the firm job, and the money
Noob Saibot  06/16/06
This is good justice. It's good to hear them carry through.
the or an a  05/21/06
Link? I saw the other thread, thought it was flame.
Great. Teacher Onizuka.  05/21/06
Actually, linking the original threads on this would be help...
the or an a  05/21/06
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=...
COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT  05/22/06
How do you actually build enough of a case against someone? ...
Shotgun Ned  05/21/06
I totally looked at my notes during the test.
Tractatus  05/21/06
Predictive flame: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread...
the or an a  05/21/06
are you bashing my white girls/asian guys thread?
Done and done  05/21/06
13 sounds about right for what I was initially indicating he...
COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT  05/22/06
isn't it pretty clear that all this is a lie?
replevin  05/21/06
There was a UT student blog that also reported on this. Migh...
Great Teacher Onizuka  05/22/06
as did the definitive UT student blog
COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT  05/22/06
What a douche. I'll bet that bitch spends all day on this b...
Americanski  05/22/06
hahaha, they are gonna get whats coming to them!! I hope the...
David Carr  05/22/06
I feel bad for them. I think they need to be punished severe...
shimano  05/22/06
I think they should be hung in a public square.
Done and done  05/22/06
So according to that UT blog (that GTO posted), they matched...
Buttsteak  05/22/06
I imagine it went something like - pin at least 1 based on ...
COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT  05/22/06
WOW!!!
trendspotter  05/22/06
There is talk of UT forfeiting last year's BCS. USC will be ...
TTT14  05/22/06
What happens when USC gets DQed BUSHPWN3D-style? oh, my t...
COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT  05/22/06
hard to believe a group of girls would try and hatch a cheat...
support our oops  05/22/06
women rely on each other too much. cheating is best done al...
flippper  05/22/06
My father was an LAPD officer for 20 years. His advice to me...
Anon321  05/22/06
Well, you can always just kill them after.
trendspotter  05/22/06
prisoner's dilemma, bitch!
loafer  05/22/06
NASHEQUILIBRIUMPWNED!
Toiracsi  05/22/06
LOL!!!
,,,.,.......,.......,.,,,.,,..,..,,,......,,,  05/22/06
176.
the or an a  05/22/06
Expulsion seems pretty appropriate to me given a) the zero-s...
MindTheGap76 (is semi-retired)  05/22/06
no. we should be nice to them. they are just innocent kids t...
enchilada of evil  05/22/06
It's a pretty big deal too. UT divides into 100 person secti...
MindTheGap76 (is semi-retired)  05/22/06
This post is probably the only even remotely prestigious thi...
JohnnyHildo  05/22/06
there is so much beauty in this post. i cried.
Carla Martin  05/22/06
These aren't economic utility bots. They're morons who acted...
, .. ,,, .. . . . , , , ,,,,,,,  05/22/06
"These aren't economic utility bots." Yes, they...
Window Licker  05/23/06
DING! fags
COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT  05/22/06
i can't believe you guys haven't discussed how horrible the ...
needadvice06  05/22/06
It's UT, what did you expect?
Toiracsi  05/22/06
interesting
Knight Rid3r  05/22/06
no surprise
out west  05/22/06
What could the advantage to having tons of people be? If yo...
Window Licker  05/23/06
I know very little about this unfolding story but I don't be...
Yahoo!  05/22/06
communists?
Esaias  05/22/06
Proletariats unite!
Doogie  05/23/06
No one said anything about LSAT. It was bar C/F fingerprints...
Badbreath  05/23/06
you realize that fingerprint analysis needs to be done by an...
Noob Saibot  06/16/06
someone should tell leiter that even the 13 stupidest people...
Herro_Radies  05/22/06
people cheat, even smart ones.
Esaias  05/22/06
Only the dumb ones get caught. Therefore they deserve to ...
JohnPaulStevens  05/22/06
exactly.
Herro_Radies  05/22/06
Only the dumb get caught. But if you got caught, you must ha...
Jimmy McNulty  05/22/06
credited. also, many supposedly smart people get caught for ...
Esaias  05/22/06
Circular but nonetheless airtight logic. They might have ...
JohnPaulStevens  05/22/06
you people are seriously annoying and retarded. it's not rea...
Esaias  05/22/06
Perhaps, but here they were obviously both too stupid to suc...
trendspotter  05/22/06
"CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D" Or TRUEBYDEFINITIONPWN3D!
Window Licker  05/23/06
Have fun on the C&F portion of the bar. Auto-ding in ...
domerforlife  05/22/06
their legal careers are essentially over
Esaias  05/22/06
actually a point should be made that this scheme was pretty ...
..,...,.,. ..,,,.,,..,., .,.,...,..,.  05/22/06
whats funny is that at a school like UT they were all guaren...
valen2  05/22/06
Agreed. And they evidently threw away the outline in the bat...
O'Malley  05/22/06
"If you're gonna cheat, at least have a little pride in...
Window Licker  05/23/06
The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you, All the PWN3D live-l...
OMG Killself, LLP  05/22/06
What a fucking TTT.
Remember Sniglets? I do.  05/22/06
Tell us what you really think
texasLawlz  05/22/06
I'd love to hear your take on the situation.
Order of the Queef  05/22/06
Talk to me baby.
Grant Lee Phillips  05/22/06
Who was the rat?
D:  05/22/06
they should beat him with socks filled with bars of soap.
..,...,.,. ..,,,.,,..,., .,.,...,..,.  05/22/06
or nickels.
Esaias  05/22/06
Why didn't they flush the outline down the toilet?
Done and done  05/22/06
So is there ANY evidence that this actually occurred, apart ...
AmericanConsumer  05/22/06
No.
Window Licker  05/23/06
...
honk if you are nigger  05/22/06
Rumor has it that it was mainly white girls w/ asian boyfrie...
Done and done  05/22/06
its probably some blacks and hispanics, only they would thin...
David Carr  05/23/06
http://longhornlaw.net/blog/ http://rov.livejournal.com/
the or an a  05/23/06
LINO UPDATE
Badbreath  05/23/06
...
,...,.,........;.....,...,..;......,.,,  05/23/06
Longhorn law has a bit of a storied past around the law scho...
,...,.,........;.....,...,..;......,.,,  05/23/06
Olasky's bitch!
mehmet ali hagca  05/23/06
...
Badbreath  05/23/06
The cheaters' culture doesn't encourage success or condemn f...
mehmet ali hagca  05/23/06
WHITE GIRLS AND AZN GUYS
Done and done  06/16/06
So was this flame?
O RLY?  06/16/06
A friend of mine at UT confirmed there was a cheating scanda...
fiveten  06/16/06
...
Pete Gillen's Retirement Party  10/02/06
I love when stupid people get pwned. This kind of shit just...
Bi Bim Bop  10/02/06


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Date: May 21st, 2006 11:23 PM
Author: Lino Graglia

The principal students involved in the cheating scandal surrounding Con Law I have been discovered (I'm not going to name names). The students implicated have begun naming other students. Dean Ramos (dean of Student Affairs) is fixing the curve for the remaining students in section 3. More info to follow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829193)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:24 PM
Author: i'm not an expert but ( )

Dismissed as in kicked out of law school? Or just failed the class?

edit: also, what was the method of cheating?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829194)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:31 PM
Author: Lino Graglia

Some are being told to return to Austin for pending honor code violations councils (the method used to expel students here). They will be allowed to argue that they should not be expelled, but there is a pretty heavy presumption against them in cases like this. Others are going to probably be given an F with a disciplinary mark on their record and will be required to retake the class Pass/Fail in the fall.

The students hid notes outside the classroom and used the internet during a closed book test. Some students met with each other during the test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829239)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:33 PM
Author: i'm not an expert but ( )

Have you talked to any of them after they got caught?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829251)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:36 PM
Author: Lino Graglia

I've only talked one girl about it. She didn't really want to talk about it, obviously. They are all trying to lay low and get there shit together, it seems. Most of them aren't in Austin right now, anyways.

A few of these students had firm jobs and judicial internships that they will probably have to quit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829262)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:38 PM
Author: i'm not an expert but ( )

Even if they just get an F and not get kicked out, they might have problems when they apply to the bar. I'd just drop out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829271)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:41 PM
Author: Nicholas D. Wolfwood

Even the F with notation on their transcript is fucking brutal - that kind of thing will follow you for a really long time. As much as I hate cheating, it seems kind of sad that this one incident can ruin someone's life for many years.

edit - I mean, I guess it doesn't ruin their lives, just derails them a little. But in xoxo terms it ruins their lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829283)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:43 PM
Author: Shotgun Ned (North Hollywood Upstairs Medical College '08)

Then they shouldn't have fucking cheated. They knew the consequences if they got caught. They rolled the dice and got snake eyes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829296)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:47 PM
Author: Nicholas D. Wolfwood

I guess that's one response. Another option is to respond with compassion and forgiveness for what was a poor choice, granted, but might just be a youthful mistake. However, the latter doesn't really fly in xoxo-land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829316)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:51 PM
Author: Shotgun Ned (North Hollywood Upstairs Medical College '08)

Youthful mistake? 24-year olds aren't "youthful". This isn't middle school where kids really don't know any better. They knew that by cheating they would get better grades, giving themselves an unfair advantage over classmates with regard to summer and post-graduation opportunities. They knew that by cheating they would dick over their classmates. Cheating is the academic equivalent of steroids and it should never be excusable, especially for people who aren't young but instead are about to start their professional careers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829344)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:52 PM
Author: Nicholas D. Wolfwood

thank you for illustrating my point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829349)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:54 PM
Author: Shotgun Ned (North Hollywood Upstairs Medical College '08)

Uhh, what point? That they should be forgiven? If you haven't learned that cheating is bad by the time you are 24, you're never going to learn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829361)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:08 AM
Author: Nicholas D. Wolfwood

the point that the forgiveness route doesn't fly on xoxo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829433)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:13 AM
Author: ..,...,.,. ..,,,.,,..,., .,.,...,..,. (Buckin' Chicken)

it pretty much doesn't fly anywhere...what's the point of rules if violations are forgiven?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829467)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:18 AM
Author: -+-_=== (gonna shine on homie until the sun goes down)

that's what they say about amnesty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829501)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:14 AM
Author: trendspotter

Except that that doesn't really hurt anyone else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830866)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:14 AM
Author: trendspotter

The point is there's no legitimate grounds for forgiveness in this case, on XO or anywhere else. What would you do, wipe the slate clean and pretend it didn't happen?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830865)




Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:41 PM
Author: william_faulkner

I concur. They cheated. They deserve whatever punishment the school doles out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714807)




Date: June 16th, 2006 9:24 PM
Author: Noob Saibot

fuck, I can forgive them but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004572)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:20 AM
Author: 9823ue8w9rufsdjkfhkjsalhdnasjsadf
Subject: Exactly. Cheating is for money.

Law school is zero-sum. That biglaw job can only go to one person, just like that CoA clerkship. Big money is involved in cheating at this level. The cheaters took a risk that they got caught on, and they have to be punished so others will see rolling snake eyes ends the game for them. Remember that the guys they screwed out of CoA or biglaw offers wouldn't have anyone looking out for them had the cheaters been successful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829512)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:20 AM
Author: Knight Rid3r
Subject: I completely agree

They should have known better.

If they get a slap on the wrist it will also create a shiTTTy precedent at whats supposed to be a prestigious T15.

The sympathy and compassion thing just doesn't work here. Why exactly should they not be expelled - what kind of message does this send to serious students at UT?

Pls note that I'm usually not a stickler for this kind of thing, but by the time you get to law school you should not be cheating on exams.

Exams in law school mean the difference between jobs and clerkships. Maybe I'm a gunner in the making but this kind of thing ought to be taken pretty seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831112)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:29 AM
Author: utahman
Subject: they should be expelled

no question about it. a very immature and stupid decision. they screwed over everyone else in their class. if it can be shown that they cheated they should be gone, no gray area

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831485)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:09 PM
Author: Window Licker (http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=5494)

T16.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839417)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:12 AM
Author: trendspotter

Bullshit. They chose to do something that they knew was wrong, unfair, and harmful to their fellow students. They also knew the punishment. These are adults, and everyone else is working hard to try to earn fair grades. They're lucky they're not immediately expelled.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830861)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 4:37 PM
Author: Calm Before the Storm

bull-fucking-shit. you're talking about people fucking over their fellow students. this is a zero sum game. it's not happy happy times like undergrad where who cares if someone cheats because i still get my A. they pushed people down the curve. they should fry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839193)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:08 PM
Author: Window Licker (http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=5494)

Youthful mistake my ass. They were adults who knew completely fucking well what they were doing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839410)




Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:11 PM
Author: trendspotter

You're an idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714548)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 6:23 PM
Author: vincentprice

this also seems to be an idiot situation in which to cheat. How much would the internet really help you during a timed exam? and don't students who are well prepared have their outline memorized, making notes a bit superfluous? I can at least understand being tempted if someone could get a copy of the actual exam ahead of time, but this seems like risking your entire career without even knowing if it will help your grade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833475)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:44 PM
Author: i'm not an expert but

I'd say it'd ruin their lives or at least their professional careers. If they don't get kicked out and they actually get admitted to the bar, I don't know if firms would be willing to take a chance with a person who's integrity is questionable; they'd just be too much liability.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829303)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:46 PM
Author: Nicholas D. Wolfwood

my point is that they aren't dead, they aren't permanently crippled, they still have their health, they have their families, they can still get relatively well-paying jobs . . . their lives aren't ruined.

But for xoxo, losing your shot at biglaw (maybe permanently) is life-ruining.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829310)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:48 PM
Author: M80

Well, no, their lives aren't ruined, but do they have any chance whatsoever of getting past C&F? I'd imagine they don't; is that wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829320)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:48 PM
Author: i'm not an expert but

True. They may have to reconsider their career choices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829321)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:47 PM
Author: mediumRare

Their lives were already ruined when UT was the best school they could get into. This is more of a lateral move than anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829314)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:48 PM
Author: Nicholas D. Wolfwood

ah, touche

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829318)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:49 PM
Author: i'm not an expert but

T16pwn3d

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829327)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:14 AM
Author: ..,...,.,. ..,,,.,,..,., .,.,...,..,. (Buckin' Chicken)

lateral? now they are free to do ibanking. i say its a promotion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829476)




Date: June 16th, 2006 9:23 PM
Author: Noob Saibot

fuck that. keep the firm job, and the money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004567)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:24 PM
Author: the or an a (georgeallenxo@gmail.com)

This is good justice. It's good to hear them carry through.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829199)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:25 PM
Author: Great. Teacher Onizuka.

Link? I saw the other thread, thought it was flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829202)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:27 PM
Author: the or an a (georgeallenxo@gmail.com)

Actually, linking the original threads on this would be helpful, or a quick summary and timeline would be helpful, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829214)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:30 AM
Author: COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=110&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830345)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:26 PM
Author: Shotgun Ned (North Hollywood Upstairs Medical College '08)

How do you actually build enough of a case against someone? Those students can name anyone they want, including innocent people that they might not like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829209)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:27 PM
Author: Tractatus

I totally looked at my notes during the test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829212)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:30 PM
Author: the or an a (georgeallenxo@gmail.com)

Predictive flame: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=418621&mc=6&forum_id=2

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=110&forum_id=2

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=416129&mc=11&forum_id=2



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829230)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:35 PM
Author: Done and done

are you bashing my white girls/asian guys thread?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829258)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:30 AM
Author: COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT

13 sounds about right for what I was initially indicating here:

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=110&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830348)




Date: May 21st, 2006 11:50 PM
Author: replevin

isn't it pretty clear that all this is a lie?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829336)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:03 AM
Author: Great Teacher Onizuka

There was a UT student blog that also reported on this. Might not be flame.

EDIT: http://amicus--curiae.livejournal.com/67887.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829414)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:32 AM
Author: COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT
Subject: as did the definitive UT student blog

http://wingsandvodka.blogs.com/blog/2006/05/official_ut_che.html

not that stupid shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830358)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 7:48 PM
Author: Americanski (Perfect games of Stroock Bowl: 50)

What a douche. I'll bet that bitch spends all day on this board.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833979)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:08 AM
Author: David Carr (The Most Prestigious Cardiologist in Newport Beach)

hahaha, they are gonna get whats coming to them!! I hope they enjoy their careers as either a coder or paralegal, lol!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829439)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:17 AM
Author: shimano

I feel bad for them. I think they need to be punished severely (F in the course sounds quite reasonable) though, mainly because cheaters get caught so rarely. That's really the only reason I don't think forgiveness should be considered in these cases- it's not because I'm a tough bastard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829495)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:18 AM
Author: Done and done

I think they should be hung in a public square.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829503)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:33 AM
Author: Buttsteak

So according to that UT blog (that GTO posted), they matched students fingerprints in the ladies' bathroom to the fingerprints from bar registration?

That's hardcore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829588)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:34 AM
Author: COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT

I imagine it went something like

- pin at least 1 based on fingerprints

- give those fingerprinted the opportunity to stay, with an F, and pass/fail in the fall, *if* they implicate others, or else they get summarily expelled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830375)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:16 AM
Author: trendspotter

WOW!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830873)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:37 AM
Author: TTT14

There is talk of UT forfeiting last year's BCS. USC will be named Champions within the fortnight!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829602)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:35 AM
Author: COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT

What happens when USC gets DQed BUSHPWN3D-style?

oh, my trojans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830379)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:56 AM
Author: support our oops

hard to believe a group of girls would try and hatch a cheating plot, but im not surprised they instantly started turning each other in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829685)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:21 AM
Author: flippper

women rely on each other too much. cheating is best done alone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829823)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:30 AM
Author: Anon321

My father was an LAPD officer for 20 years. His advice to me as a teenager was: "ANYTHING wrong/illicit/illegal is best done alone."

Never leave a witness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830349)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:17 AM
Author: trendspotter

Well, you can always just kill them after.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830875)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:24 AM
Author: loafer

prisoner's dilemma, bitch!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829840)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:35 AM
Author: Toiracsi

NASHEQUILIBRIUMPWNED!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829923)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 3:56 AM
Author: ,,,.,.......,.......,.,,,.,,..,..,,,......,,,

LOL!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830783)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:34 AM
Author: the or an a (georgeallenxo@gmail.com)

176.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831142)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:35 AM
Author: MindTheGap76 (is semi-retired)

Expulsion seems pretty appropriate to me given a) the zero-sum stakes involved, b) the huge advantage cheating would provide, and c) the difficulty of catching cheaters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829929)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:50 AM
Author: enchilada of evil (it's evil because there are snakes on it)

no. we should be nice to them. they are just innocent kids trying to make it through this game called life (just like those guys at enron)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830053)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:00 AM
Author: MindTheGap76 (is semi-retired)

It's a pretty big deal too. UT divides into 100 person sections that essentially don't interact. That means your curve is based entirely against the 100 people you have all of your classes with (except one smaller class with only a portion of the section). If 13 people cheated, that means over 10% of the section was colluding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830118)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:00 AM
Author: JohnnyHildo

This post is probably the only even remotely prestigious thing you've ever done with your life.

That being said, they made a rational calculation based on the benefits of cheating, the risk of getting caught, and the punishment that would occur if they did get caught.

They lost their bet. Now they can twist in the wind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830115)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:23 PM
Author: Carla Martin (Not atypical death penalty case)

there is so much beauty in this post. i cried.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832865)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 6:18 PM
Author: , .. ,,, .. . . . , , , ,,,,,,,

These aren't economic utility bots. They're morons who acted emotionally and against their rational best interest. Still, hang them.

(Probability of getting caught * goodbye law + probability of not getting caught * slightly higher grade < 0, for pretty much everyone.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833439)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:14 PM
Author: Window Licker (http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=5494)

"These aren't economic utility bots."

Yes, they are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839443)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:24 AM
Author: COMMUNITY_ACCOUNT

DING! fags

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830300)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:05 AM
Author: needadvice06

i can't believe you guys haven't discussed how horrible the cheating plan was. i mean GOING OUTSIDE TO TALK; 13 PEOPLE. horrible plan. the notes in the bathroom isn't a bad idea. but to have 13 people share is ridiculous.

the kid with his outline is his pocket, known only to himself is smiling right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830836)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:14 AM
Author: Toiracsi

It's UT, what did you expect?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830867)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:31 AM
Author: Knight Rid3r
Subject: interesting

Based only on these threads - it Does sound like a painfully stupid plan. 13 adults colluding in the hallway and getting notes from the bathroom during an ongoing exam....thats the part that seems weird.

I guess things like this have to happen every once in awhile to reinforce how TTT some schools are. I'll talk to Leiter in Chicago about how this might be factored into his magical rankings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831131)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:35 AM
Author: out west
Subject: no surprise

I see cheating happen all the time at undergrad. it's hardly a surprise that it happens at law school as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831146)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:16 PM
Author: Window Licker (http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=5494)

What could the advantage to having tons of people be? If you're going to get lots of people involved, you might as well try to sink them by providing a shitty outline that contains wrong information.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839453)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:22 AM
Author: Yahoo!

I know very little about this unfolding story but I don't believe for a second that the administration actually took latent prints from outline in bathroom and matched them to student prints from LSAT registration. No way. First of all that process would take a long time (to retrieve prints and see if there are any matches). Crime labs have heavy backlogs and they take a while to conduct these analyses. No way could they have turned them around so quickly. Also, these labs have more important things to do--like solving violent crimes.

Second of all, I doubt UT would actually go so far as to try and fingerprint the outline.

A far more plausible scenario is that the administration bluffed and told students that they were about to analyze outline for prints. And students under suspicion freaked out and gave names of other suspected communists.

Of course this is all complete conjecture on my part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831445)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:31 AM
Author: Esaias

communists?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831497)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 10:59 AM
Author: Doogie (My cat can eat a whole watermelon)

Proletariats unite!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5837498)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:54 PM
Author: Badbreath

No one said anything about LSAT. It was bar C/F fingerprints. The bar people are like one block away from UT's campus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839704)




Date: June 16th, 2006 9:31 PM
Author: Noob Saibot

you realize that fingerprint analysis needs to be done by an expert, right? it's pretty unlikely the Texas State Bar has an employee who is qualified to examine crime scenes for latent prints

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004597)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:38 AM
Author: Herro_Radies

someone should tell leiter that even the 13 stupidest people at any T14 wouldn't get caught like this, let alone be involved in such a stupid plan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831522)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:39 AM
Author: Esaias

people cheat, even smart ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831526)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:03 PM
Author: JohnPaulStevens

Only the dumb ones get caught.

Therefore they deserve to be punished

Any names yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831637)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:55 PM
Author: Herro_Radies

exactly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831865)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:01 PM
Author: Jimmy McNulty

Only the dumb get caught. But if you got caught, you must have been dumb.

CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831891)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:03 PM
Author: Esaias

credited. also, many supposedly smart people get caught for "cheating" all the time. look at all the corporate scandals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831898)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 3:35 PM
Author: JohnPaulStevens

Circular but nonetheless airtight logic.

They might have been smart, but they were not smart enough to avoid getting caught

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832594)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 3:57 PM
Author: Esaias

you people are seriously annoying and retarded. it's not really about being "smart" or "dumb," as anyone in their right mind (read: non-xoxo people) knows and understands that these UT students are relatively bright. the harvard-bred wall street clowns who were busted several weeks ago for insider trading certainly were bright; and they only got caught because their better judgement was clouded by their greed. the same desire to succeed at all costs was presumably present here. there's a difference between being too stupid to successfully pull off a caper and allowing greed and a sick lust for success supersede your better judgement. this difference is so obvious that only an xoxo poster could confuse or overlook it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832727)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:26 PM
Author: trendspotter

Perhaps, but here they were obviously both too stupid to successfully pull off the caper and also filled with greed and lust.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835343)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:21 PM
Author: Window Licker (http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=5494)

"CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D"

Or TRUEBYDEFINITIONPWN3D!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839484)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:11 PM
Author: domerforlife

Have fun on the C&F portion of the bar.

Auto-ding in many states.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831674)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:15 PM
Author: Esaias

their legal careers are essentially over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831691)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:12 PM
Author: ..,...,.,. ..,,,.,,..,., .,.,...,..,. (Buckin' Chicken)

actually a point should be made that this scheme was pretty sophmoric....they were gonna meet in the bathrooms to talk about the exam and look at an outline they hid? did the same people keep taking bathroom breaks? at my school only 1 person can go at a time, but regardless, this sounds like a middle school plan.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831938)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:36 PM
Author: valen2

whats funny is that at a school like UT they were all guarenteed good jobs no matter how they did, but now they are as P3WNED as somebody in the bottom of the class at my TTT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832047)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:44 PM
Author: O'Malley

Agreed. And they evidently threw away the outline in the bathroom trash can? They probably should have come up with a better place to get rid of the damning evidence. If you're gonna cheat, at least have a little pride in your work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832318)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:17 PM
Author: Window Licker (http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=5494)

"If you're gonna cheat, at least have a little pride in your work."

I have a couple good methods, but you'd be crazy to think I'll share them with anonymous people on this board, much less people I know at school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839463)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:47 PM
Author: OMG Killself, LLP

The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,

All the PWN3D live-long day.

The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,

You cannot PWN3D get away.

Do not think PWN3D you can escape them,

At night PWN3D or early in the morn.

The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,

Till Gabriel PWN3D blows his horn.

PWN3D!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832092)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:55 PM
Author: Remember Sniglets? I do. (Queen of the Harpies)

What a fucking TTT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832127)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:05 PM
Author: texasLawlz

Tell us what you really think

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832179)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:09 PM
Author: Order of the Queef

I'd love to hear your take on the situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832788)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 7:32 PM
Author: Grant Lee Phillips (Born Disco, Died Heavy Metal.)

Talk to me baby.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833905)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:00 PM
Author: D: ("Trey [Parker] reminds me of a more successful version of :D.")

Who was the rat?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832749)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:06 PM
Author: ..,...,.,. ..,,,.,,..,., .,.,...,..,. (Buckin' Chicken)

they should beat him with socks filled with bars of soap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832779)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:09 PM
Author: Esaias

or nickels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832789)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 7:25 PM
Author: Done and done

Why didn't they flush the outline down the toilet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833873)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 8:05 PM
Author: AmericanConsumer

So is there ANY evidence that this actually occurred, apart from 2-3 threads on xoxo and that blog (which cites these threads)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5834068)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:22 PM
Author: Window Licker (http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=5494)

No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839496)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:13 PM
Author: honk if you are nigger



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835215)




Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:13 PM
Author: Done and done

Rumor has it that it was mainly white girls w/ asian boyfriends...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835224)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 11:15 AM
Author: David Carr (The Most Prestigious Cardiologist in Newport Beach)

its probably some blacks and hispanics, only they would think that 13 people going to the bathroom would not be suspicious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5837600)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 3:43 PM
Author: the or an a (georgeallenxo@gmail.com)

http://longhornlaw.net/blog/

http://rov.livejournal.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5838886)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:03 PM
Author: Badbreath
Subject: LINO UPDATE

FIRST OF ALL: what UT student is still in Austin? He must be a loser. Second of all, anyone who had Graglia knows that Graglia can't even use his computer. So why in the world would you think that he is posttting on XO? How dumb are you? Of course Graglia doesn't know anything b/c it's the admin that deals with the cheating, not him. He just grades and falls asleep in his office.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839383)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: ,...,.,........;.....,...,..;......,.,,



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5840672)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: ,...,.,........;.....,...,..;......,.,,

Longhorn law has a bit of a storied past around the law school . Unfortunately, the posts and legal research memoranda that brought it to notoriety have been deleted, so only a select few can truly appreciate its glory. But it's probably best to not take that blog too seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5840691)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 11:14 PM
Author: mehmet ali hagca (fish season)

Olasky's bitch!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5841647)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:00 PM
Author: Badbreath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839359)




Date: May 23rd, 2006 11:15 PM
Author: mehmet ali hagca (fish season)

The cheaters' culture doesn't encourage success or condemn failure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5841653)




Date: June 16th, 2006 7:56 PM
Author: Done and done

WHITE GIRLS AND AZN GUYS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004083)




Date: June 16th, 2006 9:30 PM
Author: O RLY?

So was this flame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004596)




Date: June 16th, 2006 9:35 PM
Author: fiveten

A friend of mine at UT confirmed there was a cheating scandal, but she said that no one she knew had been expelled or punished, and they were considering making the class pass/fail. But this is old news, maybe some action was taken that she didn't know about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004616)




Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:09 PM
Author: Pete Gillen's Retirement Party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714535)




Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:15 PM
Author: Bi Bim Bop

I love when stupid people get pwned. This kind of shit just makes my day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714581)