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Dumb here. What does Roe v Wade say about abortions?

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Twinkling nursing home
  05/20/19
it's in a penumbra
Talented Poppy Water Buffalo
  05/20/19
Idk what that means. Can you explain?
Twinkling nursing home
  05/20/19
I can't and apparently neither could the guy who wrote it
Talented Poppy Water Buffalo
  05/20/19
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razzmatazz violent pisswyrm
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floppy sticky site
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Blue chapel
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Carmine lay
  05/20/19
it's a liberty protected by the constitution
soul-stirring school
  05/20/19
That was Casey which reinvented Roe 20 years later
hairless nofapping ladyboy indian lodge
  05/20/19
The words of the constitution emanate unwritten meanings and...
razzmatazz violent pisswyrm
  05/20/19
great summary
Talented Poppy Water Buffalo
  05/20/19
where in the constitution do these penumbras come from? 14th...
Twinkling nursing home
  05/20/19
No - that type of jurisprudence came later. The emanations c...
razzmatazz violent pisswyrm
  05/20/19
That's Griswold, in Roe the court stepped back from that shi...
soul-stirring school
  05/20/19
Isn’t Roe part of the Griswold line of cases?
razzmatazz violent pisswyrm
  05/20/19
court keeps wandering off in its theory of the case Griswol...
soul-stirring school
  05/20/19
Thanks it has been years since I had con law. Where in the c...
razzmatazz violent pisswyrm
  05/20/19
same spot
soul-stirring school
  05/20/19
That's a pretty fucked up part of the constitution
spruce geriatric idiot digit ratio
  05/20/19
blame republicans in 1868
soul-stirring school
  05/20/19
Same strain of religiousity
spruce geriatric idiot digit ratio
  05/20/19
lmao at the state of our “country”
razzmatazz violent pisswyrm
  05/20/19
It's like Joseph Smith interpreting the stones to write the ...
Blathering marketing idea
  05/20/19
Except less honest about the charade
lemon locale goal in life
  05/20/19
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Odious smoky principal's office
  05/20/19
The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of pr...
soul-stirring school
  05/20/19
So is it fair to say that while everyone (lib and con justic...
Twinkling nursing home
  05/20/19
No Everyone agrees there are certain times where the consti...
soul-stirring school
  05/20/19
That's so 1993. Now we're at: does the fact that the consti...
floppy sticky site
  05/20/19
lol not even thomas thinks this
soul-stirring school
  05/20/19
many people are saying this
floppy sticky site
  05/20/19
-@realDonaldTrump
soul-stirring school
  05/20/19
Amy Barrett does
Olive stage antidepressant drug
  05/20/19
no con justices do not believe the constitution provides ...
floppy sticky site
  05/20/19
con justices follow the constitution which leads to privacy ...
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Blue chapel
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Odious smoky principal's office
  05/20/19
Our constitution casts a secret shadow of secrets, and when ...
bistre step-uncle's house crotch
  05/20/19
Basically that your mom can get a doctor to do it next time.
Abusive Useless Brakes Preventive Strike
  05/20/19
I have 2 dads
Twinkling nursing home
  05/20/19
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Talented Poppy Water Buffalo
  05/20/19
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=123341239458352...
thriller obsidian location
  05/20/19
it has been years since law school, but basically, the state...
appetizing university
  05/20/19
How did it come up with a trimester approach?
Twinkling nursing home
  05/20/19
made it up that's why casey overturned it, because it was s...
soul-stirring school
  05/20/19
Why does everyone refer to Roe v Wade as the controlling law...
Twinkling nursing home
  05/20/19
first-mover advantage
Talented Poppy Water Buffalo
  05/20/19
Be it’s more famous not flame Casey is controlling...
Odious smoky principal's office
  05/20/19
Can you tell me what Casey says?
Twinkling nursing home
  05/20/19
Case I believe is the one that says something like the state...
appetizing university
  05/21/19
Did Casey say when a fetus becomes viable?
Twinkling nursing home
  05/21/19
24 weeks.
Crusty big abode
  05/21/19
Casey kind of does four things law geeks care about. 1. Roe...
soul-stirring school
  05/21/19
So under Casey, can states pass laws banning abortion after ...
Twinkling nursing home
  05/21/19
Depends
Clear Dilemma
  05/21/19
It’s just made up. All the vanguard liberal opinions a...
razzmatazz violent pisswyrm
  05/20/19
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Odious smoky principal's office
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180 native potus
  05/21/19
This is helpful. Thank u
Aphrodisiac yarmulke immigrant
  05/20/19
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Clear Dilemma
  05/21/19


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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:10 PM
Author: Twinkling nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261883)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:12 PM
Author: Talented Poppy Water Buffalo

it's in a penumbra

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261889)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:17 PM
Author: Twinkling nursing home

Idk what that means. Can you explain?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261905)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:19 PM
Author: Talented Poppy Water Buffalo

I can't and apparently neither could the guy who wrote it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261922)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: razzmatazz violent pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261930)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:31 PM
Author: floppy sticky site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261983)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:44 PM
Author: Razzle Death Wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262048)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:18 PM
Author: coiffed mewling therapy associate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262463)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:27 PM
Author: Blue chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262487)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:50 PM
Author: Carmine lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264262)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:19 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

it's a liberty protected by the constitution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261921)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:58 PM
Author: hairless nofapping ladyboy indian lodge

That was Casey which reinvented Roe 20 years later

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263116)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:20 PM
Author: razzmatazz violent pisswyrm

The words of the constitution emanate unwritten meanings and cast penumbras. Those emanations and penumbras are detectable by liberal justices and mean that democratically enacted laws are unconstitutional when they don’t comport with the liberal dogma of the day. The same analysis doesn’t apply to reach conservative results - it’s a one way street. It turns out that one of those emanations means that it’s unconstitutional to impede a woman’s right (found in a penumbra) to commit infanticide in certain cases. This summary is 100% true and serious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261925)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: Talented Poppy Water Buffalo

great summary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261929)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:23 PM
Author: Twinkling nursing home

where in the constitution do these penumbras come from? 14th amendment?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261947)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:25 PM
Author: razzmatazz violent pisswyrm

No - that type of jurisprudence came later. The emanations come from the actual written guarantees in the bill of rights. The real trick is that it’s only possible for liberal justices to discern these emanations. Then they can figure out what rights are found in their penumbras.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261953)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

That's Griswold, in Roe the court stepped back from that shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261963)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:33 PM
Author: razzmatazz violent pisswyrm

Isn’t Roe part of the Griswold line of cases?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261988)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

court keeps wandering off in its theory of the case

Griswold court is all "penumbra"

Roe court is like "wow y'all hated that penumbra shit, ummm it's maybe 14A? but it could be 9A idk"

Casey court is "okay, we hear you, 14A, it's 14A"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261994)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:53 PM
Author: razzmatazz violent pisswyrm

Thanks it has been years since I had con law. Where in the constitution is the right to engage in homosexual sodomy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262328)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:05 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

same spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262388)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: spruce geriatric idiot digit ratio

That's a pretty fucked up part of the constitution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262397)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:11 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

blame republicans in 1868

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262423)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:16 PM
Author: spruce geriatric idiot digit ratio

Same strain of religiousity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262452)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:42 PM
Author: razzmatazz violent pisswyrm

lmao at the state of our “country”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263040)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:43 PM
Author: Blathering marketing idea

It's like Joseph Smith interpreting the stones to write the Book of Mormon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262045)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:33 PM
Author: lemon locale goal in life

Except less honest about the charade

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263323)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: Odious smoky principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264239)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of privacy. In a line of decisions, however, going back perhaps as far as 1891, the Court has recognized that a right of personal privacy, or a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy, does exist under the Constitution. In varying contexts, the Court or individual Justices have, indeed, found at least the roots of that right in the First Amendment, in the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, in the penumbras of the Bill of Rights, in the Ninth Amendment, or in the concept of liberty guaranteed by the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment. These decisions make it clear that only personal rights that can be deemed "fundamental" or "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty" are included in this guarantee of personal privacy. They also make it clear that the right has some extension to activities relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.

This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy. The detriment that the State would impose upon the pregnant woman by denying this choice altogether is apparent. Specific and direct harm medically diagnosable even in early pregnancy may be involved. Maternity, or additional offspring, may force upon the woman a distressful life and future. Psychological harm may be imminent. Mental and physical health may be taxed by child care. There is also the distress, for all concerned, associated with the unwanted child, and there is the problem of bringing a child into a family already unable, psychologically and otherwise, to care for it. In other cases, as in this one, the additional difficulties and continuing stigma of unwed motherhood may be involved. All these are factors the woman and her responsible physician necessarily will consider in consultation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261961)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: Twinkling nursing home

So is it fair to say that while everyone (lib and con justices) agrees the constitution gives us the right to privacy, the question for decades has been whether the right to privacy included the right of a woman to abort?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261995)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:37 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

No

Everyone agrees there are certain times where the constitution protects certain things that are private in certain contexts

There's no freestanding "right to privacy"

Better question for court today: does the fact that the state shall not deprive anyone of "liberty" without "due process of law" include the "liberty" to abort

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262009)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: floppy sticky site

That's so 1993. Now we're at: does the fact that the constitution provides that no one shall be deprived of "life" forbid the state from countenancing abortion under any circumstances? (the answer is yes)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262018)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

lol not even thomas thinks this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262022)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:41 PM
Author: floppy sticky site

many people are saying this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262032)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:46 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

-@realDonaldTrump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262055)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:31 PM
Author: Olive stage antidepressant drug

Amy Barrett does

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262998)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:38 PM
Author: floppy sticky site

no

con justices do not believe the constitution provides a freestanding "right of privacy." They believe the constitution provides many specific protections - such as a right to be free from unlawful search and seizure - but that there is no general protection for privacy anywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262012)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:49 PM
Author: misanthropic sandwich pervert

con justices follow the constitution which leads to privacy rights being protected that libs would not protect

libs? when it suits

kyllo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262072)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: Blue chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262393)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:18 PM
Author: lavender electric electric furnace voyeur



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:46 PM
Author: Odious smoky principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264235)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:36 PM
Author: bistre step-uncle's house crotch

Our constitution casts a secret shadow of secrets, and when you’re in that shadow you can kill babies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262001)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:00 PM
Author: Abusive Useless Brakes Preventive Strike

Basically that your mom can get a doctor to do it next time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262107)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:02 PM
Author: Twinkling nursing home

I have 2 dads

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262117)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:57 PM
Author: Talented Poppy Water Buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263109)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:10 PM
Author: thriller obsidian location

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12334123945835207673

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262415)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:29 PM
Author: appetizing university

it has been years since law school, but basically, the state has to balance the woman's interest in privacy with the state's interest in protecting the baby and then came up with a trimester approach, where the woman's interest trumps in the first trimester, the state's interest can trump in the third trimester, and in the second trimester there can be reasonable limitations.

This later got morphed into something like the state cannot put undue burdens on women before viability of the fetus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262992)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: Twinkling nursing home

How did it come up with a trimester approach?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263270)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

made it up

that's why casey overturned it, because it was sps

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263276)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:32 PM
Author: Twinkling nursing home

Why does everyone refer to Roe v Wade as the controlling law then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263321)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: Talented Poppy Water Buffalo

first-mover advantage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264241)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: Odious smoky principal's office

Be it’s more famous not flame

Casey is controlling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264252)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:51 PM
Author: Twinkling nursing home

Can you tell me what Casey says?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264276)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 9:00 AM
Author: appetizing university

Case I believe is the one that says something like the state cannot put undue burdens on women before viability of the fetus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265289)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:37 AM
Author: Twinkling nursing home

Did Casey say when a fetus becomes viable?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265799)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:53 AM
Author: Crusty big abode

24 weeks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265873)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:13 PM
Author: soul-stirring school

Casey kind of does four things law geeks care about.

1. Roe is like an important kind of precedent we can't just toss out.

2. While we were kind of uncertain where in the Constitution talks about abortion, we're saying it's a woman's "liberty" under the Fourteenth Amendment.

3. The "trimester" framework we made up was SPS so we're throwing it away and instead saying the woman's liberty interest is high before fetal viability and low after fetal viability.

4. Any laws restricting abortion before fetal viability can't place an "undue burden" on the woman (which means pretty much whatever 5 justices say).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265980)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:20 PM
Author: Twinkling nursing home

So under Casey, can states pass laws banning abortion after 24 weeks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38266016)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:27 PM
Author: Clear Dilemma

Depends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38266061)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:57 PM
Author: razzmatazz violent pisswyrm

It’s just made up. All the vanguard liberal opinions are just edicts announced by five disconnected “intellectuals” dressed up in 50 - 200 pages of obfuscatory “legal reasoning” and “constitutional law”.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263457)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: Odious smoky principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264253)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 1:02 AM
Author: 180 native potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264454)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac yarmulke immigrant

This is helpful. Thank u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264257)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:56 AM
Author: Clear Dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265897)