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2019 BIG LAW BONUSES ANNOUNCED

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/biglaw-bonus-season-b...
cerebral depressive doctorate
  11/07/19
Same as last year *breathes a sigh of relief*
Shaky range
  11/07/19
everything goes up in cost except lawyer salaries
Tripping lay new version
  11/07/19
*associate
Shaky range
  11/07/19
actually not when you factor in that the firms didn't do sum...
cerebral depressive doctorate
  11/07/19
The sigh of relief is that they didn't go up
Shaky range
  11/07/19
Lol you should want the associates to stay happy so they sta...
180 candlestick maker stage
  11/08/19
I don't work at Cravath etc. We will match and they will be ...
Shaky range
  11/08/19
What is the current salary structure by year?
Carmine unholy foreskin incel
  11/07/19
Class of 2018 — $190,000 Class of 2017 — $200,0...
mischievous histrionic theater
  11/08/19
...
Tripping lay new version
  11/07/19
Lmfao
bistre pisswyrm
  11/07/19
...
Underhanded ocher crotch
  11/07/19
...
Arousing Personal Credit Line
  11/07/19
This guy has $400 in a Robinhood account that says you're wr...
swollen kitchen water buffalo
  11/07/19
...
Stirring Athletic Conference
  11/08/19
As Associate General Counsel at a Fortune 500 company, assoc...
Cowardly aphrodisiac senate
  11/07/19
But my 1.1 MM salary is okay, right?
Shaky range
  11/07/19
Yes
Erotic razzle-dazzle mother plaza
  11/07/19
rofl @ these small-dicked inhouse faggots w chips on their s...
Tripping lay new version
  11/07/19
(MAF guy)
cerebral depressive doctorate
  11/07/19
Lol at saying ppl cant "cut it" kowtowing to menta...
Ruddy Immigrant Wrinkle
  11/08/19
Not breaking out sig pages is the behavior of a mentally ill...
Godawful irradiated tanning salon juggernaut
  11/08/19
Just a bad attorney lol, but same page.
Ruddy Immigrant Wrinkle
  11/12/19
Why? It has no impact on rates. Even partner comp has no i...
180 candlestick maker stage
  11/08/19
This seems wrong
Outnumbered laughsome stain coldplay fan
  11/08/19
Yes because rates went down in 2008-2011 when tons of associ...
180 candlestick maker stage
  11/08/19
...
Tripping lay new version
  11/08/19
...
Naked turdskin
  11/08/19
Rates go up every year* *might cause firm to implode cata...
Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker
  11/08/19
...
Bull Headed Mauve House
  11/08/19
As Nutella already pointed out, partner rates have gone up e...
Naked turdskin
  11/08/19
cr. but hey, it makes small-dicked in-house fags w chips on ...
Tripping lay new version
  11/08/19
Hours are going down.
Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker
  11/08/19
when you stopped paying for junior associates, you ensured t...
mischievous histrionic theater
  11/08/19
LJL. What kind of dumbass is still wasting his life in bigla...
galvanic hell international law enforcement agency
  11/07/19
...
Naked turdskin
  11/07/19
Just cop $450k, 11-3, 4 day/week WFH, 90 IQ in-house
Cowardly aphrodisiac senate
  11/07/19
Yeah, but what's the use of the extra 25% (or whatever) you ...
galvanic hell international law enforcement agency
  11/07/19
The idea is to quit at some point in the future and have cas...
Naked turdskin
  11/07/19
PROTIP: You or your wife will spend it all.
galvanic hell international law enforcement agency
  11/07/19
the "dumbass" move that is "pathetic and tort...
mischievous histrionic theater
  11/08/19
Sup?
Shaky range
  11/07/19
The only people I know who are still in BigLaw were people w...
galvanic hell international law enforcement agency
  11/07/19
What about us misanthropes?
Shaky range
  11/07/19
(insecure bro who is in denial)
galvanic hell international law enforcement agency
  11/08/19
yeah you're definitely describing yourself there
Stirring Athletic Conference
  11/08/19
...
razzmatazz corn cake area
  11/07/19
Damn. Cant believe I'm missing out on that sweet 100 Gs
Outnumbered laughsome stain coldplay fan
  11/07/19
take this shit to TLS
judgmental flirting crackhouse useless brakes
  11/07/19
MILBANK TUNA HENTAI
Arousing Personal Credit Line
  11/07/19
The blooding season begins. Come, ye, sit around the fire an...
Erotic razzle-dazzle mother plaza
  11/07/19
...
dull supple chapel philosopher-king
  11/08/19
"On the other hand, I think the angered associates have...
trip lettuce state
  11/08/19
Cravath or Simpson will come over the top and put milbank in...
peach principal's office filthpig
  11/08/19
rates are fucking absurd. 6th and 7th years are charging wh...
mischievous histrionic theater
  11/08/19
my undiscounted rate is 755
Arousing Personal Credit Line
  11/08/19
Most of your hours are probably getting written off
Avocado talented keepsake machete
  11/08/19
cr. also, very very few to practically no clients are simply...
buck-toothed space
  11/08/19
Rates increase 85% in the space of a decade. In-house cou...
peach principal's office filthpig
  11/08/19
Whistling past the graveyard.
Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker
  11/08/19
Let's hope not
Shaky range
  11/08/19
No movement
drab school cafeteria
  11/11/19
not a biglawmo. what percentage of associates actually get t...
buck-toothed space
  11/08/19
Depends on how good of a firm. At good big law firms you get...
Avocado talented keepsake machete
  11/08/19
as poster said, depends on firm, but at most BIGLAW firms (a...
cerebral depressive doctorate
  11/08/19
if you don't hit your hours, do many places completely screw...
Aqua feces
  11/08/19
no. you are either at a firm where you need hours, no excep...
cerebral depressive doctorate
  11/11/19
tbf, most biglaw firms dont formally state hours requirement...
Tripping lay new version
  11/11/19
As a result, the market as a whole experienced healthy avera...
Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker
  11/08/19
this isn't news. The V100 is splitting in half. The top 50...
cerebral depressive doctorate
  11/08/19
did you highlight this report, :D
buck-toothed space
  11/08/19
"compensation increases appear – at least at firs...
Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker
  11/11/19
Looking at these makes me depressed I'm not in big law as it...
frum ticket booth
  11/08/19
The bonus check is actually bigger than that because they un...
Aqua feces
  11/08/19
CRAVATH
flatulent azn
  11/11/19
FRAT WHITE
Arousing Personal Credit Line
  11/11/19
120
Avocado talented keepsake machete
  11/11/19
Has the market been SHATTERED? Please give TOTAL COMP for NO...
Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker
  11/11/19
status quo from Cravath; which means all in comp is at best ...
Erotic razzle-dazzle mother plaza
  11/11/19
ty
Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker
  11/12/19
Class of 2019 — $190,000 + $15,000 [prorated so really...
flatulent azn
  11/12/19
Your salaries are off by a year. You can pretty much ignore ...
beady-eyed rebellious corner national security agency
  11/12/19
Salaries for July 1-June 30 or whenever Cravath's fiscal yea...
flatulent azn
  11/12/19
Someone in Class of 2018 who started in October 2018 does no...
beady-eyed rebellious corner national security agency
  11/12/19
lol I fucked up because I'm thinking of billing year tyft
flatulent azn
  11/12/19
Looks like 190 can barely be sustained if bonuses are tiny e...
Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker
  11/12/19
Getting paid 300k as a 28 year old monkey scribe comma chase...
Exciting insecure parlor organic girlfriend
  11/12/19
This is a tired debate at this point here but, as has been p...
Erotic razzle-dazzle mother plaza
  11/12/19
Lol wtf, it’s the opposite. Biglaw associates more th...
180 candlestick maker stage
  11/12/19


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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:22 PM
Author: cerebral depressive doctorate

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/biglaw-bonus-season-begins-with-announcement-from-milbank

not that it impacts anyone here in xo2019 right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087193)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: Shaky range

Same as last year

*breathes a sigh of relief*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087199)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 9:06 PM
Author: Tripping lay new version

everything goes up in cost except lawyer salaries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087408)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 11:22 PM
Author: Shaky range

*associate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39088066)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 9:57 PM
Author: cerebral depressive doctorate

actually not when you factor in that the firms didn't do summer bonuses......

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087615)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 11:22 PM
Author: Shaky range

The sigh of relief is that they didn't go up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39088063)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 9:16 AM
Author: 180 candlestick maker stage

Lol you should want the associates to stay happy so they stay and make your life easier. The shitty ones are getting pushed out anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39088868)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:10 PM
Author: Shaky range

I don't work at Cravath etc. We will match and they will be glad. 430k goes a long way in Texas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090122)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:33 PM
Author: Carmine unholy foreskin incel

What is the current salary structure by year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087236)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:48 PM
Author: mischievous histrionic theater

Class of 2018 — $190,000

Class of 2017 — $200,000

Class of 2016 — $220,000

Class of 2015 — $255,000

Class of 2014 — $280,000

Class of 2013 — $305,000

Class of 2012 — $325,000

Class of 2011 — $340,000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089733)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:35 PM
Author: Tripping lay new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087244)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:40 PM
Author: bistre pisswyrm

Lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087275)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:43 PM
Author: Underhanded ocher crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087300)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:51 PM
Author: Arousing Personal Credit Line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087343)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 9:06 PM
Author: swollen kitchen water buffalo

This guy has $400 in a Robinhood account that says you're wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087412)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 9:41 AM
Author: Stirring Athletic Conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39088950)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:38 PM
Author: Cowardly aphrodisiac senate

As Associate General Counsel at a Fortune 500 company, associate bonuses make me so angry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087260)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:48 PM
Author: Shaky range

But my 1.1 MM salary is okay, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087328)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 9:06 PM
Author: Erotic razzle-dazzle mother plaza

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087413)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:55 PM
Author: Tripping lay new version

rofl @ these small-dicked inhouse faggots w chips on their shoulders bc they couldn't cut it in biglaw. it's a disgrace that anyone in biglaw has to take any of these fags to dinner ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087359)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 9:58 PM
Author: cerebral depressive doctorate

(MAF guy)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087621)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 9:39 AM
Author: Ruddy Immigrant Wrinkle

Lol at saying ppl cant "cut it" kowtowing to mentally ill partners at 3am on a Saturday making sure there are two spaces after the periods in a doc and adding a page break before the sig page.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39088941)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:52 PM
Author: Godawful irradiated tanning salon juggernaut

Not breaking out sig pages is the behavior of a mentally ill person

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089751)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 2:38 PM
Author: Ruddy Immigrant Wrinkle

Just a bad attorney lol, but same page.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39107526)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 9:11 AM
Author: 180 candlestick maker stage

Why? It has no impact on rates. Even partner comp has no impact on rates. The rates just go up every year regardless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39088864)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 9:23 AM
Author: Outnumbered laughsome stain coldplay fan

This seems wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39088886)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:45 AM
Author: 180 candlestick maker stage

Yes because rates went down in 2008-2011 when tons of associates got laid off and those who didn’t got no bonuses....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089496)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:37 PM
Author: Tripping lay new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089686)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:49 PM
Author: Naked turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089736)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:09 PM
Author: Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker

Rates go up every year*

*might cause firm to implode catastrophically

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090584)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:06 PM
Author: Bull Headed Mauve House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090566)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:51 PM
Author: Naked turdskin

As Nutella already pointed out, partner rates have gone up every single year regardless of associate salaries and/or bonuses.

Savings obtained from associate salaried remaining the same for 10 years were never passed onto your company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089750)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:53 PM
Author: Tripping lay new version

cr. but hey, it makes small-dicked in-house fags w chips on their shoulders bc they couldnt cut it in biglaw happy that biglaw associates get the shaft!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089757)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:10 PM
Author: Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker
Subject: Hours are going down.

Looking more closely at changing levels of productivity, Figure 8 shows average billable hours worked

per lawyer for all categories of lawyers across the market. While the number of worked hours has been

reasonably stable in recent years, it is important to note that, compared to average billable hours in the

pre-recession years (i.e., prior to 2008), there remains a significant difference. By way of illustration, in

2007, the billable hours worked averaged 134 per month. Through 2018, the average is now 122 per

month, or a difference of 144 hours per year from the 2007 level. To see the economic impact of this

reduction in productivity, one need only multiply this annual difference by the average worked rate in 2018

of $489 per hour, to see that the decreased productivity over the last decade cost firms some $70,416 per

lawyer per year in 2018. For a firm of 200 lawyers, that translates to a total cost of $14.1 million; for a firm of

400 to $28.2 million; and for a firm of 600 to $42.3 million.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090590)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 1:06 PM
Author: mischievous histrionic theater

when you stopped paying for junior associates, you ensured that senior associates and junior partners had to do more work. actions have consequences.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089805)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:40 PM
Author: galvanic hell international law enforcement agency

LJL. What kind of dumbass is still wasting his life in biglaw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087281)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:46 PM
Author: Naked turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087320)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:48 PM
Author: Cowardly aphrodisiac senate

Just cop $450k, 11-3, 4 day/week WFH, 90 IQ in-house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087326)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:50 PM
Author: galvanic hell international law enforcement agency

Yeah, but what's the use of the extra 25% (or whatever) you make when your life is literally pathetic and torturous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087337)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:55 PM
Author: Naked turdskin

The idea is to quit at some point in the future and have cash saved up when I do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087360)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:58 PM
Author: galvanic hell international law enforcement agency

PROTIP: You or your wife will spend it all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087367)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 6:37 PM
Author: mischievous histrionic theater

the "dumbass" move that is "pathetic and torturous" is the mythical unicorn in house job or midlaw job

you're doing the same work for 1/3 the pay. and if you're in house, you're a cost center that will be first to go if the recession hits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39091214)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:48 PM
Author: Shaky range

Sup?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087330)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 9:09 PM
Author: galvanic hell international law enforcement agency

The only people I know who are still in BigLaw were people who grew up proles and have major insecurity issues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087423)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 11:24 PM
Author: Shaky range

What about us misanthropes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39088072)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 6:46 PM
Author: galvanic hell international law enforcement agency

(insecure bro who is in denial)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39091248)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:02 PM
Author: Stirring Athletic Conference

yeah you're definitely describing yourself there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090533)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:48 PM
Author: razzmatazz corn cake area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087332)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:47 PM
Author: Outnumbered laughsome stain coldplay fan

Damn. Cant believe I'm missing out on that sweet 100 Gs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087323)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:48 PM
Author: judgmental flirting crackhouse useless brakes

take this shit to TLS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087329)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:51 PM
Author: Arousing Personal Credit Line

MILBANK TUNA HENTAI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087340)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 9:08 PM
Author: Erotic razzle-dazzle mother plaza

The blooding season begins. Come, ye, sit around the fire and hear these stories of glam baubles bought and sold, the smiling money times filling our souls as we laugh and cheer and die. Glory to the Firm. Glory to the Law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39087420)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 8:40 AM
Author: dull supple chapel philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39088827)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:50 PM
Author: trip lettuce state

"On the other hand, I think the angered associates have the right of the argument,” Mystal writes. “Why should the firms be hoarding profits in preparation for the recession, instead of sharing more of those profits with the employees, some of whom will be laid off next recession anyway?”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089743)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 1:02 PM
Author: peach principal's office filthpig

Cravath or Simpson will come over the top and put milbank in its place. Profits at every big firm are up again for the nth year in a row. Billing rates are up again at every big firm for the nth year in a row. Hours are the same. And last year they paid summer bonuses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089786)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 1:05 PM
Author: mischievous histrionic theater

rates are fucking absurd. 6th and 7th years are charging what only the top rainmakers used to charge barely a decade ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089801)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 1:20 PM
Author: Arousing Personal Credit Line

my undiscounted rate is 755

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089869)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 1:21 PM
Author: Avocado talented keepsake machete

Most of your hours are probably getting written off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089875)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 1:24 PM
Author: buck-toothed space

cr. also, very very few to practically no clients are simply paying for attorney time at standard rates without any discount

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39089892)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:19 PM
Author: peach principal's office filthpig

Rates increase 85% in the space of a decade.

In-house counsel calls and gets 12% discount for new matter. Proudly reports the savings to the C suite.

Rates go up 15% next year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090151)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:01 PM
Author: Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker

Whistling past the graveyard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090529)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 6:30 PM
Author: Shaky range

Let's hope not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39091170)



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Date: November 11th, 2019 5:39 PM
Author: drab school cafeteria

No movement

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39103239)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 3:40 PM
Author: buck-toothed space

not a biglawmo. what percentage of associates actually get the bonus? is it strictly tied to hours or is there any discretionary component? obviously the big rainmaker can do whatever he wants

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090432)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 3:57 PM
Author: Avocado talented keepsake machete

Depends on how good of a firm. At good big law firms you get full bonus no questions asked, no hours minimum. At Reed Smith it's a different story

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090508)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:39 PM
Author: cerebral depressive doctorate

as poster said, depends on firm, but at most BIGLAW firms (at least V50 and higher) you will get a bonus as long as you hit your hours and even sometimes if you don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090730)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:41 PM
Author: Aqua feces

if you don't hit your hours, do many places completely screw you, or do they at least pro-rate (ok, your 100 hours short, so let's take 20% off the bonus you would otherwise get)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39092082)



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Date: November 11th, 2019 11:04 PM
Author: cerebral depressive doctorate

no. you are either at a firm where you need hours, no exceptions or at one that doesn't care and it's subjective but not at all based on hours and not prorated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39104899)



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Date: November 11th, 2019 5:26 PM
Author: Tripping lay new version

tbf, most biglaw firms dont formally state hours requirements despite what is well understood/expected. they have more CYA that way, plus hours requirements cause people not to go over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39103180)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:04 PM
Author: Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker

As a result, the market as a whole experienced healthy average revenue growth of 5.5 percent for the year.

On the negative side, while the overall results described above were positive, it must be noted that they were

driven significantly by Am Law 100 firms (and, indeed, within that grouping, by Am Law 50 firms), as well as by

some niche firms in the Midsize group. Performance by other firms – including particularly firms in the Am Law

Second 100 and some firms in the Am Law 100 and Midsize groups – were well below the market averages.

This continues the strong trend toward market segmentation that we saw in 2017 and raises the interesting

question of why different parts of the market are performing in strikingly different ways.

Apart from segmentation, there were other financial indicators that were somewhat surprising given the

relative stagnation in the market over the past several years. One of the most dramatic was a second round

of associate compensation increases that drove associate salaries and bonuses to record levels and that will

have a serious impact on the bottom lines of many firms in the coming year. Considering that productivity has

been essentially flat to declining in almost every year since the Great Recession, such compensation increases

appear – at least at first blush – to be counterintuitive.

A similar observation could be made about the aggressive increase in worked rates seen in 2018. Given the

tepid growth in demand for law firm services, the increased willingness of clients to move business to lower

cost firms or alternative service providers, and the continuing client push back on rate increases (as reflected

in declining realization rates), it is counterintuitive that firms would propose aggressive rate increases or that

clients would accept them. But that appears to be what happened.

http://www.managingpartnerforum.org/tasks/sites/mpf/assets/image/MPF%20FEATURED%20WHITE%20PAPER%20-%202019%20State%20of%20Legal%20Market%20-%20GeorgetownLaw-ThomsonReuters%20-%202-8-19.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090547)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:40 PM
Author: cerebral depressive doctorate

this isn't news. The V100 is splitting in half. The top 50 or 60 or so are far more profitable than the rest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39090734)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 6:44 PM
Author: buck-toothed space

did you highlight this report, :D

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39091240)



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Date: November 11th, 2019 7:21 PM
Author: Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker

"compensation increases appear – at least at first blush – to be counterintuitive."

LOL @ GC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39103644)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 8:20 PM
Author: frum ticket booth

Looking at these makes me depressed I'm not in big law as it would be sick as hell to get a check for $100,000.

Then I remember that after taxes, it'd be like $50,000, which wouldn't even cover preschool for 2 of my kids.

Conversely, in flyover, my shitty in-house bonus would pay for preschool for 12 kids...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39091587)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:40 PM
Author: Aqua feces

The bonus check is actually bigger than that because they under-withhold, so instead you're getting like $70 and making huge estimated tax payments every quarter for the next year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39092080)



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Date: November 11th, 2019 5:22 PM
Author: flatulent azn
Subject: CRAVATH

CRAVATH

Class of 2019 — $15,000

Class of 2018 — $15,000

Class of 2017 — $25,000

Class of 2016 — $50,000

Class of 2015 — $65,000

Class of 2014 — $80,000

Class of 2013 — $90,000

Class of 2012 — $100,000

Class of 2011 — $100,000

https://www.law.com/2019/11/11/cravath-matches-associate-bonuses-after-early-announcement-from-milbank/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39103166)



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Date: November 11th, 2019 5:28 PM
Author: Arousing Personal Credit Line

FRAT WHITE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39103191)



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Date: November 11th, 2019 7:20 PM
Author: Avocado talented keepsake machete

120

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39103637)



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Date: November 11th, 2019 7:22 PM
Author: Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker

Has the market been SHATTERED? Please give TOTAL COMP for NOOBS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39103650)



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Date: November 11th, 2019 9:56 PM
Author: Erotic razzle-dazzle mother plaza

status quo from Cravath; which means all in comp is at best even with and at worst lower this year vs last for many since last year also had summer bonuses along with the scale increase mid-year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39104537)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 2:46 AM
Author: Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39105476)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 2:29 PM
Author: flatulent azn

Class of 2019 — $190,000 + $15,000 [prorated so really like $3,000] = $205,000

Class of 2018 — $190,000 + $15,000 = $205,000

Class of 2017 — $200,000 + $25,000 = $245,000

Class of 2016 — $220,000 + $50,000 = $270,000

Class of 2015 — $255,000 + $65,000 = $315,000

Class of 2014 — $280,000 + $80,000 = $360,000

Class of 2013 — $305,000 + $90,000 = $395,000

Class of 2012 — $325,000 + $100,000 = $425,000

Class of 2011 — $340,000 + $100,000 = $440,000

Nice thing about the recession was a correction to spread out the bonuses, they used to be so compressed, but firms recognize that value of 4th years is so much greater and salaries start to widen from there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39107469)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 2:32 PM
Author: beady-eyed rebellious corner national security agency

Your salaries are off by a year. You can pretty much ignore Class of 2019, they work for like 3 months of the year only. Start with $190k for Class of 2018.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39107483)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 2:33 PM
Author: flatulent azn

Salaries for July 1-June 30 or whenever Cravath's fiscal year starts for raises idk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39107492)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 2:41 PM
Author: beady-eyed rebellious corner national security agency

Someone in Class of 2018 who started in October 2018 does not start getting a $200k salary on January 1, 2019. Are you a paralegal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39107539)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 2:43 PM
Author: flatulent azn

lol I fucked up because I'm thinking of billing year tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39107550)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 2:34 PM
Author: Dashing Pontificating Office Weed Whacker

Looks like 190 can barely be sustained if bonuses are tiny even with 130 straight months of job growth jfc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39107498)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 2:39 PM
Author: Exciting insecure parlor organic girlfriend

Getting paid 300k as a 28 year old monkey scribe comma chaser is pretty absurd. I felt weird about it when it was me and I was making 200k. Definitely earn my 300k inhouse way more honestly (though I also feel overpaid here), and the hours are better and so are the people and the work is more interesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39107533)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 3:16 PM
Author: Erotic razzle-dazzle mother plaza

This is a tired debate at this point here but, as has been pointed out time and again, I doubt your 300k in-house comes with the routine expectation that you'll be e-mailed at 2 a.m. on a Saturday or that, when that e-mail comes, you'll be responsive to it either at that time or, worst case, by early Saturday morning and poised to work throughout the weekend in order to deliver the expected work product by COB Sunday. Young attorneys in biglaw are being paid for availability, time, and work ethic in relationship to high dollar value matters and rapid, sometimes capricious demands and, in that sense, they are earning their pay honestly, even if some of their work does involve "chasing commas." As you note, one of the benefits of moving in-house is to rid yourself of that environment.

Whether there should be a macro shift to generally lower pay scales and/or a different work culture across the industry is a separate topic and one that won't be raised, if ever, until there's a secular change in demand for high-end legal services.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39107688)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 4:11 PM
Author: 180 candlestick maker stage

Lol wtf, it’s the opposite. Biglaw associates more than earn their pay.

Lol at all you penny pinching in house lawyers suddenly saying biglaw associates are overpaid and supposedly hurting your company’s bottom line. You know what hurts your company’s bottom line? Paying you $300k to do in house work that is 90% made up busywork. The other 10% of “sophisticated” work is outsourced to biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378134&forum_id=2#39107852)