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How the fuck does the human body even work?
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:31 PM Author: jet unholy son of senegal jew This entire sac of meat is like self-healing and relies on all these chemical reactions and is so complex, how in god's name does thing thing even actually work? How are we all not just like, dead? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204569) |
Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:31 PM Author: Marvelous Set Multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204573) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:33 PM Author: cracking mad cow disease not only that, through some wizadry involving chemicals, etc it is able to actually see colors and shapes, and hear and discern sound waves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204580) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:34 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Lma yeah, it’s the “chemicals” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204588) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:47 PM Author: Misanthropic autistic menage giraffe (Guy who thinks Jeebus built everything in 6 days and then took a siesta) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204658) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:53 PM Author: motley dragon Agreed, the mind probably runs on Jesus magic, just like how all other strange phenomena turned out to work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204692) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:57 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant It’s not scientifically solvable in principle as you cannot test for the existence of consciousness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204712) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:59 PM Author: jet unholy son of senegal jew It does seem to 'reside' in the head, specifically the brain, yes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204721) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:03 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant I get feels in my heart too but I’ll grant for sake of argument of course
If you read into free energy theories it’s certainly a compelling functionalist account of mind but of course functionalism is empirically inadequate to describe the existence of QUALIA |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:10 PM Author: jet unholy son of senegal jew Oh you're hung up on qualia? Hold on, let me check my brain at the door and revert back to college freshmen level scholarship to get into this with you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204776) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:11 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant There is nothing more asinine than “illusionism” in the face of the Mary argument. It’s just blind folly for its own sake at that point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204781) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:05 PM Author: motley dragon Whether scientists are capable of figuring it out is a separate issue from whether it's natural or magical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204743) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:06 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant What you’re telling me is you know it’s natural, but you have no proof? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204748) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:07 PM Author: motley dragon I suspect it's natural because everything else has turned out to be natural so far. I don't claim to know it's natural.
I read your "Lma yeah, it’s the “chemicals”" as you saying you know it's magical, even though you have no proof. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:10 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant The burden is on you to show it’s not magic. In the absence of proof that it’s naturalistic you’ll at least have to start to conjecture about how two phenomena as radically different in kind as mind and matter could begin to interact in a strictly materialistic way. Minimally you need some conversation factor, hence the appeal of neutral monism which regresses into mystery religion if you have any ethical sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204778) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:14 PM Author: motley dragon Lol at this absurd question-begging
Why would I grant the premise that "mind and matter" are two phenomena radically different in kind? That's the whole question at issue
"which regresses into mystery religion if you have any ethical sense"
So you're just trolling, hey |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:17 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Not sure how to respond. I already gave you the neutral monism out. If you’re a physicalist I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems and functionalism ain’t one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204813) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:20 PM Author: motley dragon You could respond by telling me why magic is a compelling explanation for consciousness beyond just "I feel bad for you son" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204828) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:23 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant I already did. The incommensurability of mind and matter all but demands a mysterious neutral 3rd state that is the source of them both. There’s no reason to prioritize either one. Neutral 3rd state is a mysterious monism. Same monism that explains the hypostatic union of god and man in Christ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204841) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:25 PM Author: motley dragon How are they incommensurable? And why would Christianity have to do with this rather than any one of hundreds of other ancient belief systems? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204859) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:28 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Oh man. They are incommensurable because a thing with properties of extension (weight and extension) cannot interact with a thing with non-extensional properties (except through time I guess).
I was just giving an example of the theoretical utility of neutral monism. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:30 PM Author: motley dragon How do you know they can't interact?
I could just as well say "magic is incommensurable with the human brain because physical things cannot interact with magical things or with mysterious quasi-magical "third states"" |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:38 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Mind and matter are defined as to not have any common properties. That’s the nature of the set up. The analytic response is that there must be a third thing. Certainly we could discover a shared property of each and define them to include that link property, but the ontology is the same, namely that physical stuff doesn’t interact with mental stuff without a link property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204962) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:49 PM Author: motley dragon And now you're back to your question-begging. We know the mind is magical because it's DEFINED as not being matter! Link to this "definition"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205040) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:55 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Point to the image of the sword I have in my mind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205069) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:58 PM Author: motley dragon Oh, okay, this sounds like proof of magic all right. QED! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205083) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:59 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Non responsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205087) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:00 PM Author: motley dragon You first need to be responsive to my request for a link to a definition of mind as magical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205092) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:17 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant I’ll meet you halfway. Point to the neurons that encode a sword in my brain. Now deduce the exact shape of the sword image in my mind from the neural pattern.
Do this an infinite number of times, refining your theory of the neural encoding of every possible mental image from reports from subjects of their mental states.
Even carrying out this elaborate experiment, it would be impossible to come up with a precise mapping of neurons to mental images, because the only means of accessing someone’s mental state is through their verbal reports of those states, which lack the fidelity and granularity you would need.
Can you think of any means of accessing someone else’s mental state if not through verbal reports? |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:30 PM Author: jet unholy son of senegal jew I have never seen a discussion this dumb on XO. I'm embarrassed - for you, and for all of us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205245) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:31 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Look at my fucking RANGE
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4392105&mc=65&forum_id=2 |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:30 PM Author: motley dragon So we lack the tools to come up with a precise mapping. So what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205246) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:33 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant So you agree that mental images are something different than their neural correlates (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205268) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:35 PM Author: motley dragon No, I don't. How the fuck would that follow from anything I've posted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205276) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:36 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Because you just said we couldnt get a “precise mapping”. If they were the same thing why would you need a map? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205286) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:43 PM Author: jet unholy son of senegal jew https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/01/artificial-intelligence-turns-brain-activity-speech (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205335) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:44 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Get it to draw what love feels like and well talk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205341) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:45 PM Author: motley dragon Cool sophistry bro
I was using "mapping" loosely, not to imply that they were different things |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:48 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant If you truly believed what you say you do then you would know that the map would be the identify, which is trivial and 100% precise. Again, your suggestion that there is an “imprecise map” demonstrates your underlying belief that mind and matter are 2 distinct things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205360) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:51 PM Author: motley dragon All I was saying was that it's "imprecise" in the sense that verbal reports of mental states are difficult to interpret accurately and we don't have the technology to carry out your experiment. Lol at your amateur psychologizing about how this reveals that I subconsciously believe in magic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205380) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:54 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Qualia are magic
The world is magic
Supernatural shit happens all the time
God intervenes in history and in your life on the regular
Come to Chris
He is the propitiation of your sins and makes you righteous in front of your father
You can be born again
Stop living in sin |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:56 PM Author: motley dragon Which Chris are we talking here? Benzo or Spaceporn? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205405) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:56 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant spaceporn obviously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205407) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:57 PM Author: motley dragon 🤡 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205416) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:58 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Miss that guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205418) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:59 PM Author: motley dragon #MeToo
also, pls respond:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393686&mc=9&forum_id=2#39205329 |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:11 PM Author: jet unholy son of senegal jew There is far more evidence of things being natural.
Most things people thought were supernatural, turned out to have natural origins.
AKA, the sun is not 'god', but a burning ball of fire, etc. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:12 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Continuing the above, that your mind will just “turn out” to be your brain is an utterly nonsensical category mistake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204788) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:34 PM Author: jet unholy son of senegal jew Like it literally makes zero sense how this organic blob does what it does. Zero sense. IDC if we explain how the "organs" "work", it's still confounding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204591) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:40 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant You guys figured this one out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204617) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:34 PM Author: aqua filthpig chemistry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204586) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:37 PM Author: ruby naked corner partner performed over and over (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204598) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:40 PM Author: jet unholy son of senegal jew 24/7 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204622) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:58 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant So many chemistries and rna’s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204713) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:41 PM Author: titillating scourge upon the earth a chemistry was performed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204627) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:44 PM Author: laughsome sex offender people who are hurt miracle and mystery of life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204637) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:58 PM Author: gold narrow-minded kitty cat location wind and water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204714) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:22 PM Author: hilarious locus cuck don't worry about it, bud. Science has everything figured out, it's all really simple stuff. Here, read this Dawkins book and take up atheism - it's for smart people like you! You're smart and pro-science, aren't you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204837) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:23 PM Author: motley dragon (MAF christard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204844) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:24 PM Author: hilarious locus cuck (citizen of Rationalia) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204852) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:26 PM Author: motley dragon Jesus loves you, this you know For the Bible tells you so |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:23 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant I do actually love science, can you tell me more? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204849) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:25 PM Author: ungodly field Pretty sure it’s all an illusion. We’re living in a next-level video game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204862) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:21 PM Author: zombie-like feces puppy Trillions of tiny motors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpzp4RDGJI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205183) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:25 PM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Jesus
https://youtu.be/EhKSRIvDFI0 |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:27 PM Author: zombie-like feces puppy ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205225) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:42 PM Author: stimulating shivering property messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205331) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 10:03 PM Author: Hairraiser twisted stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205439) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2019 10:27 AM Author: charismatic misunderstood church really tough guy Literally billions of organisms live inside me, without which I would die and which play a crucial role in whether or not I am happy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39207264) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2019 10:28 AM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Libs literally blaming microbes for their unhappiness now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39207269) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2019 11:55 AM Author: charismatic misunderstood church really tough guy Your gut biome controls serotonin. Sorry! -Science (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39207814) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2019 11:56 AM Author: fragrant principal's office immigrant Fucking love that guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39207821) |
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Date: December 7th, 2019 12:51 PM Author: charismatic misunderstood church really tough guy pumo free thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39228868) |
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Date: December 7th, 2019 2:17 PM Author: bateful idiot there are 7 shakras (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39229141) |