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BANGARANG - Trump called for Seoul evacuation at height of North Korea tensions
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Date: December 10th, 2019 1:02 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle lilac library mad cow disease https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/09/trump-seoul-evacuation-north-korea-book
Donald Trump called for the population of Seoul to be moved during an Oval Office meeting when tensions between the US and North Korea were at their height, according to a new book about the president’s relations with the US military.
In Trump and his Generals: The Cost of Chaos, the national security and counter-terrorism expert Peter Bergen also gives new details of Trump’s demands that the families of US service members in South Korea be evacuated, which the North Korean regime would have interpreted as a clear move towards war. In both cases, Trump’s impetuous diktats were ignored by his top officials.
Bergen’s book, the latest in a string of accounts of the president’s erratic leadership on national security issues, is being published on Tuesday at a time when friction between Washington and Pyongyang is once more on the rise, after more than 18 months of detente and summitry. The North Korean leadership is threatening a resumption of missile tests, and a war of words between Trump and Kim Jong-un is simmering once more. North Korea insults Trump as 'heedless and erratic old man' as tension rises Read more
Trump has resurrected his nickname for Kim, “rocket man”. North Korea conducted a missile engine test at a site that it had previously mothballed, and on Monday a senior regime official called the US president a “heedless and erratic old man.”
The level of mutual hostility is still some way off from the worst period in 2017 when a conflict looked a real possibility.
In his book, Bergen – a vice-president of the New America thinktank – describes an Oval Office meeting on North Korea in mid-April 2017, after a string of North Korean missile tests. Trump’s top national security officials were present and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency had made a model of a secret North Korean facility the size of coffee table, to illustrate the regime’s covert programmes.
According to Bergen, Trump was also shown a satellite image of the Korean peninsula at night, showing the lights of China and South Korea and the blackness of North Korea in between. Trump initially mistook the void for an ocean. When he was shown the bright lights of Seoul just 30 miles south of the demilitarized zone separating the two Koreas, the president asked: “Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border?” Trump reportedly asked why Seoul, the capital of South Korea, was so close to the North Korean border. Trump reportedly asked why Seoul, the capital of South Korea, was so close to the North Korean border. Photograph: Alamy
Trump had been repeatedly told that US freedom of action against North Korea was constrained by the fact that the regime’s artillery could demolish the South Korean capital in retaliation for any attack, inflicting mass casualties on its population of 25 million. The latest major Trump resignations and firings Read more
“They have to move,” Trump said, according to Bergen, who adds that his officials were initially unsure if the president was joking. But Trump then repeated the line. “They have to move!”
No action was taken in response to Trump’s bizarre remark, but the situation grew steadily worse, with a series of North Korean intercontinental ballistic missile tests and a hydrogen bomb test in September 2017.
After watching a retired four-star general, Jack Keane, interviewed on Fox News in late January 2018, saying that US troops deployed to South Korea should not take their families with them, Bergen reports that Trump told his national security team: “I want an evacuation of American civilians from South Korea”.
A senior official warned that such an evacuation would be interpreted as a signal that the US was ready to go to war, and would crash the South Korean stock market, but Trump is reported to have ignored the warning, telling his team: “Go do it!”
Alarmed Pentagon officials ignored the order, and – according to Bergen – Trump eventually dropped the idea. It was one of a number of occasions that the defense secretary at the time, James Mattis, ignored direction from the White House. He also refused to send defense department officials to a planned Korea war game at Camp David in the autumn of 2017, or to provide military options for intercepting North Korean ships suspected of sanctions busting. |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 8:17 AM Author: Beta garrison dingle berry THE | BEST | BRAIN
"Trump initially mistook the void for an ocean. When he was shown the bright lights of Seoul just 30 miles south of the demilitarized zone separating the two Koreas, the president asked: “Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border?” |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 8:34 AM Author: lake quadroon tcq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241463) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:22 AM Author: sexy parlor son of senegal This is a valid question though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241873) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:29 AM Author: frisky ebony friendly grandma native No satisfactory answer to this Q is provided in the article (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241915) |
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Date: December 11th, 2019 5:01 AM Author: frisky ebony friendly grandma native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39246674) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 10:21 AM Author: sienna keepsake machete field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39259162) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 5:29 PM Author: Wonderful offensive hairy legs corner I'm sure his comment at the end there was taken completely out of context (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39274063) |
Date: December 10th, 2019 1:13 AM Author: White hyperactive cuckold theater Why did the idiotic South Koreans vastly enlarge a once modestly sized Seoul into a 10 million person city within range of conventional North Korean artillery by the border? It was only 1 million people in 1950. The NYUUGs 10xed their vulnerability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241019) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 2:23 AM Author: odious cuckoldry It’s so reassuring to know that these unelected bureaucrats willfully ignore the orders of the duly elected president. After all, they’ve been so right on every major foreign policy issue of the last 30 years, so they should be calling the shots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241112) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 3:48 AM Author: effete wrinkle yes listening to a deranged idiotic man-child who cant find south korea on a map makes more sense than listening to a 4 star general who is trying to prevent war (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241169) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 8:13 AM Author: odious cuckoldry Same 4-star general who thinks it was a good idea to spend $1 trillion in Afghanistan over the last 18 years. Sounds like a brilliant guy! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241439) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 8:26 AM Author: infuriating aphrodisiac pisswyrm parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241457) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:33 AM Author: frisky ebony friendly grandma native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241931) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 8:44 AM Author: vibrant spot filthpig It is reassuring to me. I’d be more freaked out if they ignored Ted Cruz because he’s not retarded. I’m all for presidential control over unelected bureaucrats but only if said president can find North Korea on a map (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241473) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 9:13 AM Author: thriller useless brunch mexican Most of the time the guy speaks in a contradictory and incoherent way. Every thing he says cannot plausibly be construed as an "order." Moreover, he is not a king who gets to just "order" whatever he wants with random quips, nor does the US government even plausibly have the power to execute on all of his random "orders." In this instance, I would think that it goes without saying that the president of the united states does not have the authority or ability to order the evacuation of free people in a city of 20 million in a sovereign foreign nation. But go on with your conspiracy theories if it makes you feel better about your life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241537) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 9:20 AM Author: misunderstood depressive U got confused by the misleading thread title. From the extremely limited info presented a plausible interpretation is Trump wanted to evacuate us personnel from us bases. He also made a statement to the effect of the south Koreans maybe shouldn't maintain their seat of governance and presumably military command knsuch a precarious location. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241546) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:19 AM Author: zombie-like electric gas station He said american civilians.
"He also made a statement to the effect of the south Koreans maybe shouldn't maintain their seat of governance and presumably military command knsuch a precarious location."
Why do you guys play this silly game. Rationalizing idiotic statements. You did the same shit when he asked about nuking a hurricane. "Oh there was a study in 1957 that explored that possibility. He had probably just read it last night in his study. What a brilliant idea!"
It's obvious that the guy is a fucking deluded moron. If you like him because you think every other politician sucks on the issues you care about (immigration etc.) then just say it. Don't rationalize retardation. |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:31 AM Author: frisky ebony friendly grandma native Theres no reason not to nuke a hurricane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241920) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:32 AM Author: disrespectful sanctuary tattoo How is this not obvious Give your 123 iq take on why it’s good to place Seoul there. We’ll wait. |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 12:37 PM Author: odious cuckoldry LathamTouchedMe, why did you feel the need to post this under a pumo? We all know a post by a 120 IQ poseur bullshitter when we see one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39242655) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 5:30 PM Author: indigo arousing trailer park windowlicker Look at how many innocent Koreans died from it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39274067) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 3:02 AM Author: domesticated theatre but did this proposed order apply to the hottest gangnam playboys? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241140) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 3:13 AM Author: Maniacal angry goyim Rare case where generals ignoring orders from the President was a good idea. I don't think Trump thought this one through. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241144) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 3:49 AM Author: effete wrinkle has he thought through fucking anything u god damn moron? he literally went from threatening to nook NK to sucking lil NOWAG KIM's cock
ditto in syria where he suddenly just withdraws
he cannot think u faggot |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 8:18 AM Author: Beta garrison dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241448) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 8:31 AM Author: Bistre big-titted market gaping Too bad this opportunity was missed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241459) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 9:07 AM Author: misunderstood depressive Why is it so crazy for sk to move their government >30 miles away from an existential threat of nk artillery. Seems prudent n frankly lazy (more likely cheap) not to.
The chief rationale for not evacuating personnel: but it would hurt korean's economy! Oh no!
Of course we can't resolve these issues. We're unwilling to risk a blip on the Korean stock market or to inconvenience Korean bureaucrats by making them move. Guess let's just do eternally Manning the nk border in a mini nuke cold war.
Thanks Mattis! Hope the Koreans are paying u well. (They are). |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:32 AM Author: frisky ebony friendly grandma native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241928) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:38 AM Author: disrespectful sanctuary tattoo Devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241960) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:39 AM Author: disrespectful sanctuary tattoo How dare he. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39241967) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:40 AM Author: disrespectful sanctuary tattoo He also asks why we have all these positions overseas and gets fraud answers. The generals are scum and routinely risk more terrorism and nuclear war for disgusting reasons most Americans wouldn’t agree with. |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 10:19 AM Author: odious cuckoldry LTM made a total ass of himself ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39259149) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 10:05 AM Author: Pale slippery really tough guy Cot damn this fat orange nigga is retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39271803) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 10:55 AM Author: odious cuckoldry Date: December 16th, 2019 10:05 AM Author: Richard "Richie" Aprile Sr.
Cot damn this fat orange nigga is retarded
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39271803) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 10:09 AM Author: exhilarant anal sandwich lol at unelected bureaucrats refusing to follow a direct order of the commander-in-chief of the US military because it might "crash the south korean stock market." oh no, not the "stock market!"
is there any doubt who actually holds all the reigns of power in current year clown world? |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 10:12 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle lilac library mad cow disease It's *reins*. When did you come to this country btw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39271831) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 11:08 AM Author: sadistic factory reset button kitty cat When did you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39272034) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 5:31 PM Author: Wonderful offensive hairy legs corner C'mon dataguy, that's a v common mistake even with native english speakers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39274072) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 5:28 PM Author: vibrant spot filthpig i’m 100% for presidential control of the executive branch provided he grasps the relevant issue better than a mentally retarded person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39274055) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 5:32 PM Author: indigo arousing trailer park windowlicker We love our military folks!
(No one in the military respects or listens to Trump. If he could appoint some Apprentice contestants as Generals it would have happened by now) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 5:34 PM Author: Pale slippery really tough guy Cons love a michael bay caricature of the military. They couldnt give two shits about it beyond that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4398342&forum_id=2#39274089) |