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Thoughts on re-watching "The Wonder Years"
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:39 AM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead Free month of Hulu and they have the whole series.
I was perfectly positioned in Gen X for the original airing to be a weekly event.
IM OLD: the original airing was a LOT closer to 1968 that it is to today. And relevant to XO tropes, it's startling to see an entirely white, homogenous Southern California. Suburbs where every mom stayed home. Fathers struggled with making money, but everyone owned their four bedroom and had two cars. None of that shocked in the late 80s, early 90s either. The only lib propaganda was satirized in dreary public school teachers making dramatic pronouncements about environmental degradation, which apparently is as old as the 60s.
If you're open to sentimentality and nostalgia, and I fucking am, it's still an amazing show, with even more effect given the background of how completely we lost the suburbs.
The production values are the second biggest shock: the film looks terrible and there are long pauses between dialogue, with no music filler, that modern tv would never allow for.
And despite the boomer porn, it wasnt nearly celebratory or exclusionary to Gen-X. That would come later.
This is from an episode I don't remember from the first go-round, in which Kevin quits piano lessons out of laziness. It's one of the few that ends with a truly bleak note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbk4FrVf08A |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:41 AM Author: Gold Vibrant Nursing Home i thought it was based in the midwest? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557451) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:42 AM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead they never resolved that. in-show references to long island and new york (kevin's famous jets jersey and fandom), but obv shot in socal, with the mountains and neversnow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557463) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:43 AM Author: Gold Vibrant Nursing Home oh right. i thought they had some winter scenes tho? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557469) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:50 AM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead no. even on christmas episodes the trees are in full leaf.
i dunno why they didnt just write it as californian, other than some jewish boomer indubitably insisted it mirror his NY childhood |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:51 AM Author: Rebellious Windowlicker Pervert I'm bawling right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557527) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:08 PM Author: passionate abode death wish "IM OLD: the original airing was a LOT closer to 1968 that it is to today."
Not flame, the relative dates of the show are 2000-2005
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:17 PM Author: thriller meetinghouse pistol JFC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557687) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:21 PM Author: up-to-no-good resort pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557714) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:51 PM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead holy shit. can you imagine being nostalgic for that era (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558575) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 3:16 PM Author: Bateful fluffy theatre I don’t have to imagine, it was worlds better than our current hellscape. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#40568952) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 3:23 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#40569005) |
Date: February 7th, 2020 11:42 AM Author: Gold Vibrant Nursing Home i liked the episodes where he dates Becky and pisses her off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557460) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:33 PM Author: sable laser beams orchestra pit Becky Slater was in my law school class. Her sister in real life is the girl who played Winnie Cooper |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:43 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi ruh roh
https://people.com/human-interest/crystal-mckellar-peter-thiel-firm-lawsuit/ |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:50 PM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead lolling that the bitchy proto-shrew and the passive jewish wimp on the show both ended up as irl lawyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558571) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:58 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi Paul on the show also ended up going to law school -- Kevin mentions it at the end of the last episode. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558622) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 4:35 PM Author: electric sound barrier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39559007) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 5:45 PM Author: territorial low-t native multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#40569772) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:42 AM Author: aqua legal warrant corner Tried it. Doesn’t work. Too boring and a lot of the interest when we were younger was the “hope” that it gave us and that we had a lot of good things to look forward too. Now that we’re older and realize that life is miserable flame, it has no value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557461) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:42 AM Author: Gold Vibrant Nursing Home hope only exists for ppl like AOC and Ilhan Omar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557465) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:42 AM Author: purple doctorate jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557467) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:53 PM Author: narrow-minded honey-headed garrison masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558597) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:42 AM Author: purple doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557462) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:43 AM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi One of the best shows ever created.
and yes, the demographic and cultural change between 1970 and 2020 in america is nothing short of frightening. |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:46 AM Author: Gold Vibrant Nursing Home and it was completely unnecessary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557490) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:53 AM Author: dashing hissy fit ladyboy Who's to blame for this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557539) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:56 AM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi and then one day, for no reason at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557549) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:05 PM Author: dashing hissy fit ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557606) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:19 PM Author: cowardly selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557701) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 5:42 PM Author: irate sapphire dilemma knife I watched this the other day and it freaked me out.
https://youtu.be/r3kQlzOi27M |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:54 AM Author: passionate abode death wish I remember one episode only. He has a job working for a crotchety old man in a hardware store and has a chance to learn valuable carpentry skills. But he quits to work in the mall because it's cooler and he can meet chicks. In the last scene the crotchety old man lets down the facade and pleads with him to stay, offers him a raise, but he leaves anyway.
remembering it makes me so angry at boomers i could spit |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:55 AM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557545) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:59 AM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead there were lots of hidden lessons in there, of course.
he abandoned his father's family business in the end and dad dies
he chased other girls until winnie gives up, goes to study in france
I learned none of them
edit: even in the link above, just abandoning our heritage to fuck around, until no one can even play pachelbel -- but we remember we once could |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 5:48 PM Author: Sexy Blathering Institution Juggernaut as a prole from the sticks, this site sometimes blows me the fuck away. almost everyone here had so much more prestige than i did until at least grad school, but no one seems to have gotten a real cultural education and there's this sense of passivity about it, exactly like the jackass boomer kid in the show.
music lessons aren't free, but practicing is. foreign languages can be learned cheaply with textbooks from the library and duolingo and foreign radio stations. you can go on libgen for 5 minutes and have anything you want from world literature. you want to get good at math, you get some textbooks and annotate them and work through all the problems. adjusting for my local situation and the tech when i was a teenager, that's what i did, because i was sort of poor and extremely bored and i didn't want to be like the hicks and dorks i grew up around.
i think a big part of it is that doing this stuff doesn't actually make you prestigious; it won't directly help you to get a shiny resume for ivy UG or swing a swanky job after graduation. but the prestige ladder is leading more and more to bluecheck hellscapes and an elite that can't actually fucking do anything except status-jockey, spend down their trust funds and tweet about black trans lives.
maybe prestige is bullshit and we should just learn to do hard things. that's how you don't forget how to play pachelbel. |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:23 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi https://youtu.be/k3DMiRNvHj0 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557730) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:27 PM Author: passionate abode death wish devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557754) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:49 PM Author: passionate abode death wish although I'm pretty impressed with the accuracy of my 25 year old memory of a tv episode i watched once (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557864) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:46 PM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead Weeping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557840) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 11:54 AM Author: dashing hissy fit ladyboy I'm going to make my son watch it when he's a little older (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557542) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:05 PM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead *son throws laptop at you, sobbing uncontrollably* "what have you done?" he demands (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557609) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:06 PM Author: Bistre big lay It's impossible for me to watch Wonder Years because we have already been saturated with so many boomer nostalgia films and TV shows that I react with illness towards anything in this genre I see. Perhaps this was not true at the time Wonder Years was on TV but it is true with any attempt to watch it now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557616) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:11 PM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead fair criticism. fwiw, I think the adult boomer narration does something delicate though. It didnt feel, at the time, like he was talking to other 45yo boomers, it felt like he was talking to current 13yos watching. There were no digs at "kids nowadays dont know X", and if anything the idea was the elites who hold power are always blowhards who fail to understand the real lives of adolescent white kids in the suburbs. Its made explicit in the first and last episodes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557649) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:18 PM Author: Bistre big lay I also can't watch "Freaks and Geeks" because I have similarly been saturated with so many films and TV series about how hard it is to fit in during high school (especially high school in the 1990's). I understand that, similarly, this was not really the case when Freaks and Geeks first came out. Both of these shows, I was too young to be watching them when they first came out and saw them later on Netflix.
So many things in Wonder Years and Freaks and Geeks are now well-worn tropes that I'm sick of seeing. |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:25 PM Author: thriller meetinghouse pistol not a wonder years scholar, but i think freaks and geeks was a knowing exploration of well-worn tropes and expertly reused them in a way that underscored their universality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557739) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 3:40 PM Author: Laughsome menage antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558812) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:25 PM Author: thriller meetinghouse pistol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557740) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:28 PM Author: coral bat-shit-crazy national freaks and geeks was a good show. you are right that it ended up being a template for countless shitty shows/tropes that came after it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557760) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 3:41 PM Author: Laughsome menage antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558813) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:18 PM Author: thriller meetinghouse pistol good poast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557699) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:23 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi Remember the episode with the tough math teacher who is pushing Kevin to do his best, and then Kevin purposely fails the test with joke answers? The teacher died over the weekend but didn't grade Kevin's test and the principal gave it to him as a second chance. Kevin finishes and tells the principal that he doesn't have to grade it, because it's an A.
https://youtu.be/VOzuP_zjv7g |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:26 PM Author: Very Tactful Nudist Preventive Strike Water Buffalo Like an Azn Babe Ruth calling his shot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557750) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:31 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557780) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:24 PM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558413) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:32 PM Author: Chestnut state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558465) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:47 PM Author: offensive pink faggotry Fuck I remember this one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558553) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:39 PM Author: Misanthropic multi-colored hospital I remember 2 episodes. One, where they go to the shore and stay in a shoddy motel, and dad complains about how expensive it is and there is a feeling that they are chasing a dream vacation that they cannot recreate. The second episode I remember is the same theme, but they’re trying to recreate a fishing trip, and they drive up to some pond that has become littered with refuse and is now polluted and stagnant. |
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Date: February 13th, 2020 10:25 AM Author: aqua legal warrant corner Lmao at this take. This is what middle class life is champ and shore vacations in a shitty hotel/motel are amazing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39588256) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 12:40 PM Author: glittery indian lodge I did this a few years ago. It's a good show still. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39557814) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 1:57 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi The Wonder Years on "Heroes"
https://youtu.be/pwj7YgbIpKY?t=480
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Some heroes pass through your life and disappear in a flash. You get over it. But the good ones, the real ones, the ones who count - stay with you for the long haul. The thing is, after all these years, I couldn't tell you the score of that game. What I remember is...sitting in that diner, up late... being young... drinking coffee with the only real hero I ever knew. My Dad - Jack Arnold. Number one. |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:40 PM Author: slate excitant factory reset button jack arnold was a working class hero that faggot kevin constantly shat on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558501) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 4:56 PM Author: Greedy space mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39559084) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 3:22 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi he eventually got it. that's part of growing up. you look at all these famous people and think they are heroes, when in reality the real hero is the man at home
this is a great clip from the show. one of its best scenes
https://youtu.be/aB-DwHMQE1w |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:41 PM Author: violet outnumbered step-uncle's house tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558505) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:52 PM Author: narrow-minded honey-headed garrison masturbator I think about that episode a lot. IIRC there's a scene where the piano teacher tells Kevin he feels the music like it's in his heart even if he's not technically playing well. Whether she was bullshitting him is irrelevant. Kids need that kind of encouragement and the feeling that someone believes in them. Ultimately there is the let down when Kevin bails on the recital and rides by to peek in. It just reminds me of all the things i missed out on because i was afraid to try or afraid that i'd fail, and now it's just too late.
The quote from the beginning of the episode is something i think about a lot too:
When you're a little kid, you're a little bit of everything. Artist, scientist, athlete, scholar. Sometimes it seems like growing up is a process of giving those things up one by one. I guess we all have one thing that we regret giving up, one thing that we really miss, that we gave up because we were too lazy or we couldn't stick it out… or because we were afraid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjEGUMd-_Gs |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:58 PM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead yeah its fraud that most of us arent practicing piano or getting better at high dives or something. Last summer I posted after dropping my kid off at a summer camp at the U Miami campus. Around 7AM there was some dude out there, doing high dive after high dive, practicing, getting better. Probably woke up at the fucking crack of dawn to get to the pool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558623) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 2:59 PM Author: narrow-minded honey-headed garrison masturbator This is prob the scene from the wonder years that i think about almost as much as the one posted in the OP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNb3U22y87I |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 5:50 PM Author: Sexy Blathering Institution Juggernaut that dude was a hero (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#40569798) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 3:00 PM Author: passionate abode death wish dang (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558634) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 3:02 PM Author: Laughsome menage antidepressant drug freaks and geeks gives you the same kind of flashback value and is a lot more reflective on a moment to moment basis of what real life is like. also funnier. i recommend rewatching that instead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558647) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 4:55 PM Author: Greedy space mental disorder (nerd who got stuffed in lockers) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39559082) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 3:13 PM Author: Transparent trailer park dopamine this show sucked
kevin didn't get with the french babe madeline and went for winnie who consistently cheated on him and strung him along for years.
winnie was probably one of the biggest cunts on any tv show. |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 3:21 PM Author: flickering piazza community account I remember when he kept asking the French girl if she wanted some butter . . .peak experience (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558739) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 3:41 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi winnie sucked.
madeleine was great. i also really dug the chick from the lake, Cara. she was great |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 4:55 PM Author: Greedy space mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39559083) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 3:24 PM Author: obsidian beady-eyed crackhouse kitty Did he end up with Winnie I forgot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558751) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 3:41 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi no Winnie went to France to study for 8 years and then Kevin met her at the airport to welcome her back, along with his wife and son (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39558814) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 4:58 PM Author: Racy carnelian partner nowag It was a good show to watch when you're about the same age as Kevin (so like 12-20 or so) and can kind of relate to the issues.
Can't imagine watching it now. Both because it's a kids show and boomer nostalgia that has little portability to the post-ITE world. |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 7:54 PM Author: mind-boggling center I remember going out with a 24 year old chick a few years ago (I was a little older) and she didn't even know what Boy Meets World was, let alone the Wonder Years. It was at that moment that I realized a few interesting things.
First, that Savage brothers were responsible for the two definitive coming of age series' of the 80s and 90s, which is pretty incredible. Second, I don't think any show after Boy Meets World captured the level of magic it and the Wonder Years had, so younger millenials onward pretty much only had/have garbage TV with no appreciation for what it was like growing up in pre-9/11 America. Third, there is this sort of cliff of people born around 1993 and after where they don't know or care about nostalgic shit in the 80s and 90s - shows like Wonder Years and Boy Meets World, icons like Sylvestor Stallone and Jean Claude Van Damme, etc. |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 8:21 PM Author: Misanthropic multi-colored hospital So when I try to think back to that time, I remember ABC's TGIF night. It had like Family Matters and Step By Step. But I don't remember The Wonder Years or Boy Meets World being on that. Was it? I remember the shows, I just don't remember the full TGIF lineup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39559866) |
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Date: February 7th, 2020 8:22 PM Author: Laughsome menage antidepressant drug boy meets world yes, wonder years no (wonder years was nbc i think and not the same genre of "kids" show) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39559875) |
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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:48 AM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead WY was a wednesday 8PM show. the anchor of the night, but a step less prestigious than thursday night, and apart from the kiddie shit that aired friday night for babysitting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39576762) |
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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:52 AM Author: Misanthropic multi-colored hospital There’s an episode where Kevin is a caddy for his dad and his dad’s evil boss. The boss’ last name is “Stein.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39576809) |
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Date: February 13th, 2020 10:30 AM Author: narrow-minded honey-headed garrison masturbator ugh and his dad intentionally loses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39588288) |
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Date: February 13th, 2020 10:32 AM Author: Misanthropic multi-colored hospital He does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39588304) |
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Date: February 13th, 2020 10:33 AM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi Jack Arnold was 1800000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39588309) |
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Date: February 13th, 2020 12:18 PM Author: Misanthropic multi-colored hospital He was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#39589050) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 3:13 PM Author: aromatic dun locus circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#40568921) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 4:48 PM Author: Trip prole library And now they’re rebooting it with a black family in Montgomery Alabama! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#40569524) |
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Date: July 8th, 2020 5:27 PM Author: bull headed rigor fanboi Omg I SWORE this was flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4440198&forum_id=2#40569675) |