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WWII doc (Netflix) says Pervitin (meth) was key to blitzkrieg - true?
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:21 PM Author: Bonkers charismatic ratface That they were poppin pervitin throughout invasion of France and didn't hardly sleep which is why they took it over so quickly.
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:23 PM Author: ivory provocative antidepressant drug its true Nazi soldiers and pilots were constantly popping TuTu and TiNA in battle. ISIS fighters too, more recently. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502937&forum_id=2#39973418) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:24 PM Author: submissive salmon rehab pistol just allied flame to cover up german superiority in tactics and better soldiers
french folded because they were shocked by german blitzkreig. they surrendered without even putting up a real fight. so it more about tactics than anything else |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:28 PM Author: Yellow Round Eye Locale This overstates German superiority. Once America joined, the kraut bastards lost every skirmish/battle with the exception of Kasserine Pass and Market Garden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502937&forum_id=2#39973479) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:32 PM Author: submissive salmon rehab pistol relevance? all i am saying is that blitzkreig was not successful bcos german soldiers were on meth (even if they might have but it isn't relevant). they just had better soldiers and better tactics/leadership and that was the reason they pwned europe in the first 2 years of the war with blitz. of course once US joined the fight they had no chance because allies had way too much superiority with material and manpower. it was just a numbers game after 1941 and grinding down the germans slowly but steadily
nobody knowledgeable disputes the fact that wehrmacht was the best fighting force by far in WWII. see below
"On a man for man basis, German ground soldiers consistently inflicted casualties at about a 50 percent higher rate than they incurred from the opposing British and American troops under all circumstances (emphasis in original). This was true when they were attacking and when they were defending, when they had a local numerical superiority and when, as was usually the case, they were outnumbered, when they had air superiority and when they did not, when they won and when they lost." The inescapable truth is that Hitler's Wehrmacht was the outstanding fighting force of World War II, one of the greatest in history. For many years after 1945, this seemed painful to concede publicly, partly for nationalistic reasons, partly also because the Nazi legions were fighting for one of the most obnoxious regimes of all time.
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:35 PM Author: Yellow Round Eye Locale The relevance is, that while initially having superior tactics, the Germans made many tactical and strategic errors. Chief among them was attacking Russia, which everyone agrees was where they fucked up beyond repair. And once America was in the war, their supposed tactical superiority never availed itself.
I am not convinced that German soldiers man for man were better than US soldiers in late 44 and in 45. |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:40 PM Author: submissive salmon rehab pistol "I am not convinced that German soldiers man for man were better than US soldiers in late 44 and in 45."
ok rudolph i am sure some 98 IQ shitlawyer in philadelphia knows more than army war college academics or historians
also dont forget that the german soldiers that we fought in 1944/1945 were actually the inferior secondary wehrmacht corps/regiments. the best wehrmacht corps and battle groups were sent east to fight soviets. this is common knowledge and even with the secondary fighting force germans more than held their own against overwhelming numerical/material/air superiority of UK/US
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:43 PM Author: Yellow Round Eye Locale I have read a lot about the topic bro. No reason to attack me because we disagree.
Also, I never practiced at the shitlaw level. Vault 50 firm then in-house.
So fucking step proper, bitch. |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:47 PM Author: submissive salmon rehab pistol In the last year of the war, great efforts were made within the U.S. Army to improve the ratio of teeth to tail; to divert high-quality manpower towards the infantry; to improve the level of infantry training and leadership. In all these things, there was some measure of success. Yet the Americans, like the British, never matched the extraordinary professionalism of the German soldier, an historic legacy that long predated Nazism.
It was probably fortunate for the future of Western civilization, but greatly increased Eisenhower's difficulties, that few Allied soldier saw themselves for a moment as other than civilians temporarily in uniform, while their German counterparts possessed an uncanny ability to transform themselves from butchers and bank clerks into natural tacticians. One of the more absurd propaganda cliches of the war was the image of the Nazi soldier as an inflexible squarehead. In reality, the German soldier almost invariably showed far greater flexibility on the battlefield than his Allied counterpart.
"The Germans were willing to act -- always," said the British Major- General Brian Wyldbore-Smith. They seldom failed to seize an opportunity offered by Allied error. They were masters of rapid counterattack after losing ground. They would hold a position to the last, then disengage masterfully. |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:59 PM Author: Yellow Round Eye Locale "Professionalism," however that is defined, does not necessarily trump aggressive tactics that the Americans exhibited throughout the European theater. In fact, German soliders commented on that often as they contrasted it with the British who were slow, safe and methodical in aggregate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502937&forum_id=2#39973648) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 12:00 AM Author: Underhanded Whorehouse Useless Brakes Why do you just keep going long after it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502937&forum_id=2#39973651) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 12:01 AM Author: Yellow Round Eye Locale I do know what I'm talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502937&forum_id=2#39973659) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 12:10 AM Author: submissive salmon rehab pistol alright u are just plain trolling us now.
what you are saying is like the EXACT opposite of reality. german infantry soldiers were just plain better but their officer level leadership just plain pwned american officers/generals. and it was no more obvious than in aggressiveness. allies literally waited 3 years for soviets and airpower to degrade german fighting strength to bare minimum before launching normandy (not exactly aggressive if u ask me) and even then got pushed back hard by germans who were heavily outnumbered. most historians agree that eisenhower and his staff didnt impress at all without how they acted after the initial success of normandy
allies literally knew german war plans thanks to enigma and were fighting the ill equipped secondary corps of wehrmacht in the west with overwhelming superiority on all fronts and didn't still crush them. they had slog through europe thanks to inferior infantry, pussy british and TTT general staff except for a few exceptions like patton |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 12:13 AM Author: submissive salmon rehab pistol Russell Weigley's magnificent and monumental study of the American army in northwest Europe confronts quite frankly the failure of Eisenhower's forces to generate the combat power to smash through numerically much inferior German forces until these had been worn down by 11 months of attrition on the western front, compounding the huge drain on the Germans of four years of warfare on the eastern front fighting the Soviets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502937&forum_id=2#39973715) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:56 PM Author: flirting gunner dude it was the 40s everybody was cranked out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502937&forum_id=2#39973630) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 1:42 PM Author: submissive salmon rehab pistol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502937&forum_id=2#39976584) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:59 PM Author: Bonkers charismatic ratface Yea they sold it over the counter. The narrator said it's just crystal meth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502937&forum_id=2#39978463) |