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The Fed is buying junk bonds. How is XO not freaking tf out?

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marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
Need you to explain why we should freak out.
Honey-headed Mad Cow Disease
  04/09/20
it means we are approaching the end of capital markets
Rough-skinned Chapel
  04/09/20
Cap Markets ballers got nothing to worry about
wonderful ivory den
  04/09/20
the invisible hand just got cut off
Wild meetinghouse fat ankles
  04/09/20
This ends capitalism. From here on out the government decide...
marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
tbf, it was already doing that with TBTF. This just seals t...
Wild meetinghouse fat ankles
  04/09/20
The unnecessary quarantine ended capitalism, at least tempor...
bat shit crazy theatre candlestick maker
  04/09/20
well what the fuck am i going to do man
Bateful apoplectic skinny woman
  04/09/20
let the anger overflow & scream at normies wherever they...
Rough-skinned Chapel
  04/09/20
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Tan Old Irish Cottage Boltzmann
  04/09/20
Same exact thing can be said for every topic on xo. But we s...
marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
Is there an update
cracking area antidepressant drug
  04/09/20
HYG was up 8% today. Have you seen what bonds HYG holds? The...
marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
180 i bought hyg like two days ago
Odious sadistic step-uncle's house national security agency
  04/09/20
if the stock market isn't freaked out, why should we be?
trip idea he suggested
  04/09/20
This is the type of “freak out” that makes the m...
marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
Because it's 1922 in Weimar Germany
razzle light coldplay fan sanctuary
  04/09/20
We owe a massive short term debt to all of our neighbors who...
excitant alcoholic pistol
  04/09/20
You know nothing about 1922 Weimar Germany.
Honey-headed Mad Cow Disease
  04/09/20
I'd freak out over the Fed buying stocks, but a loan is diff...
lemon vigorous casino haunted graveyard
  04/09/20
They’re tailored to lining Steve Schwartzman’s p...
marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
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Spectacular pearly gaping resort
  04/09/20
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marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
i'm buying the fuck out of as many long dated calls as i can...
marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
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fantasy-prone glassy trailer park
  04/09/20
PE bailout
Turquoise idiotic parlour
  04/09/20
this is like the fifth outlandish thing the Fed has done in ...
Ruby Center
  04/09/20
(Ron Paul)
Turquoise idiotic parlour
  04/09/20
This one is next level. I would never have bet they’d ...
marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
No, just top corporates and securitized debt. They are doing...
boyish dragon
  04/09/20
No. https://www.ft.com/content/c0b78bc9-0ea8-461c-a5a2...
Turquoise idiotic parlour
  04/09/20
Well fuck my ass Yankeestan is done here.
boyish dragon
  04/09/20
what's the argument for why the Fed should or shouldn't also...
well-lubricated dead yarmulke locale
  04/09/20
No confidence in ratings in this environment. Its bad enough...
boyish dragon
  04/09/20
Funny how these excessively well capitalized banks cannot pr...
marvelous becky university
  04/09/20
Guy who doesnt understand model risk. Banks have PST Loss Th...
boyish dragon
  04/09/20
BBBRRRRRRRRRR
flickering pit roast beef
  04/09/20
Disband the fed
grizzly pea-brained hall mood
  04/09/20
I don’t think I’ve ever made this much money in ...
Mischievous startling black woman
  04/09/20
What if the government just gave you a million dollars? We ...
razzle light coldplay fan sanctuary
  04/09/20
What did you buy
white native pervert
  04/09/20
Soxl, SPXL, and very short dated spy calls now that premiums...
Mischievous startling black woman
  04/09/20
Exactly right. The Fed should be doing anything they can to...
Honey-headed Mad Cow Disease
  04/09/20


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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:39 PM
Author: marvelous becky university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977925)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:39 PM
Author: Honey-headed Mad Cow Disease

Need you to explain why we should freak out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977928)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:42 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Chapel

it means we are approaching the end of capital markets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977945)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:38 PM
Author: wonderful ivory den

Cap Markets ballers got nothing to worry about

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979214)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: Wild meetinghouse fat ankles

the invisible hand just got cut off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977954)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:15 PM
Author: marvelous becky university

This ends capitalism. From here on out the government decides who gets money,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978195)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:32 PM
Author: Wild meetinghouse fat ankles

tbf, it was already doing that with TBTF. This just seals the end of capitalist meritocracy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978291)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:05 PM
Author: bat shit crazy theatre candlestick maker

The unnecessary quarantine ended capitalism, at least temporarily, not the fed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978984)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:43 PM
Author: Bateful apoplectic skinny woman

well what the fuck am i going to do man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977948)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Chapel

let the anger overflow & scream at normies wherever they are to be found

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977953)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:07 PM
Author: Tan Old Irish Cottage Boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980254)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:14 PM
Author: marvelous becky university

Same exact thing can be said for every topic on xo. But we still pretentiously bitch about everything involving pandemics/economics/politics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978180)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:24 PM
Author: marvelous becky university

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978249)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:26 PM
Author: cracking area antidepressant drug

Is there an update

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978267)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:30 PM
Author: marvelous becky university

HYG was up 8% today. Have you seen what bonds HYG holds? They are complete garbage. Companies with -$20b in net assets and $1b in EBITDA that private equity frauds created. The Fed is going to print money to buy loans that are worth zero for like a 5% yield.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978281)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:23 PM
Author: Odious sadistic step-uncle's house national security agency

180 i bought hyg like two days ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980369)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:27 PM
Author: trip idea he suggested

if the stock market isn't freaked out, why should we be?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978271)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:31 PM
Author: marvelous becky university

This is the type of “freak out” that makes the market go up. Gold and stocks have started to move together

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978288)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:02 PM
Author: razzle light coldplay fan sanctuary

Because it's 1922 in Weimar Germany

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978968)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:23 PM
Author: excitant alcoholic pistol

We owe a massive short term debt to all of our neighbors who have armies that will make us repay and we don't have an army?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979129)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:23 PM
Author: Honey-headed Mad Cow Disease

You know nothing about 1922 Weimar Germany.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980365)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:29 PM
Author: lemon vigorous casino haunted graveyard

I'd freak out over the Fed buying stocks, but a loan is different than an outright grant. And if you want to keep companies in business during an economic catastrophe, you're not just gonna be dealing with AAA debt.

So I can see the case for buying junk bonds, if the purchases are tailored to keeping the economy and jobs intact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978276)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:33 PM
Author: marvelous becky university

They’re tailored to lining Steve Schwartzman’s pockets. They Fed does not have the resources to intelligently allocate capital. They’re not even good at buying treasuries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978303)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:27 PM
Author: Spectacular pearly gaping resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978689)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:56 PM
Author: marvelous becky university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978905)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:57 PM
Author: marvelous becky university

i'm buying the fuck out of as many long dated calls as i can. I'll put 5-10% of my portfolio into this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978920)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:14 PM
Author: fantasy-prone glassy trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979062)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:59 PM
Author: Turquoise idiotic parlour

PE bailout

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978935)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:00 PM
Author: Ruby Center

this is like the fifth outlandish thing the Fed has done in the past month, yes I'm freakin out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978942)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:03 PM
Author: Turquoise idiotic parlour

(Ron Paul)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978970)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:06 PM
Author: marvelous becky university

This one is next level. I would never have bet they’d to this before helicopter money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979000)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:13 PM
Author: boyish dragon

No, just top corporates and securitized debt. They are doing it because debt isnt liquid like equities and funds are being margin call PWND and cant meet their calls because their credit assets arent liquid and cant be sold in this market. This lets them clear their riskiest positions without going under. For banks -- it basically lets us buy puts on AAA paper and make a 10% return.

Banks were EXCESSIVELY well capitalized before all this. Liquidity was always a bigger concern. Too much funding was overnight repos and munis. The repo market and the muni market failed. Only the fed can provide liquidity after that. It doesnt mean there are no capital assets backing these injections but these are illiquid assets in this market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979050)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:18 PM
Author: Turquoise idiotic parlour

No.

https://www.ft.com/content/c0b78bc9-0ea8-461c-a5a2-89067ca94ea4

Federal Reserve enters new territory with support for risky debt

Programme to support ‘junk’ bonds aims to soften blows from coronavirus and downgrades

The Federal Reserve will will buy shares in exchange traded funds that own high-yield bonds © REUTERS

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The Federal Reserve has jolted credit markets by expanding the scope of its support measures, announcing plans to buy debt issued by riskier companies in a radical addition to its crisis-fighting toolkit.

The Fed will not purchase high-yield bonds directly, but will buy shares in exchange traded funds that own the debt and seek to track the market. Thursday’s announcement sparked the biggest rally in the asset class since the 2008 financial crisis.

The move adds a new dimension to the central bank’s efforts to buttress the US economy, which already include buying more highly rated corporate bonds and ETFs. But it means stepping into riskier corners of a market that most investors thought would remain off-limits to the US central bank, reflecting the scale of the coronavirus threat to markets and economies.

“It is both shocking and almost amazing,” said Peter Tchir, chief macro strategist at Academy Securities. “I like it a lot because they are getting ahead of the curve.”

The high-yield market, often referred to as “junk”, encompasses the debt issued by lower-rated, riskier companies that are more exposed to deteriorating economic conditions stemming from the viral outbreak and the collapse in oil prices.

In response to the Fed’s move on Thursday, the biggest high-yield bond ETF — run by BlackRock, which is also administering the Fed’s bond purchases — jumped by more than 7 per cent, on course for its largest one-day move since 2008.

The US central bank also expanded its existing credit facilities, which include the purchases of bonds and ETFs, from a combined $200bn to $750bn. A separate facility will now accept highly rated bonds backed by commercial real estate loans, as well as the safest slice of instruments backed by leveraged loans.

Under the programme, the central bank will buy corporate bonds that were rated triple B minus or above — the threshold for a company’s debt to be considered investment-grade — on March 22. That still includes bonds from recently downgraded companies such as Ford, known as “fallen angels” when they lose their coveted investment-grade ratings.

Seema Shah, chief strategist at Principal Global Investors, said the Fed’s intervention would provide some “welcome relief” to the still-stressed market. The yield on Ford’s $1.8bn bond maturing in 2031 dropped from almost 13 per cent to 9.3 per cent after the announcement, as its price recovered.

“Fears about how the high-yield market would absorb the wave of oncoming ‘fallen angels’ have been weighing heavily on the market,” said Ms Shah.

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Some analysts, bankers and private equity executives had been pushing for the Fed to throw a lifeline to corporate debt rated below investment grade, arguing that without the central bank’s support, many large employers could go bust.

Nonetheless, the expansion of the Fed’s crisis-fighting toolkit to encompass riskier debt — including debt issued by companies owned by private equity firms — will be controversial. One investment industry insider argued it was tantamount to an indirect bailout of the private equity industry.

“If you think people were upset about bailing out banks where the CEOs were making $50m a year, how are they going to feel about bailing out private equity firms where the CEOs make $500m a year?” said another investor.

Some investors in the municipal bond market also chafed at the Fed’s initiative, saying the central bank had not yet gone far enough to support states and cities.

The Fed announced on Thursday that it would purchase up to $500bn of short-term notes from states and some counties and cities in an attempt to shore up their funding, but stopped short of supporting longer-dated municipal bonds.

“To buy high-yield bonds and not [longer-dated] munis is not fair,” said Vikram Rai, head of municipal strategy at Citigroup. The Fed’s expanded effort to aid the muni market was “a huge disappointment”, he said, adding that the central bank needed to consider buying muni bonds with longer maturities.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979100)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:23 PM
Author: boyish dragon

Well fuck my ass Yankeestan is done here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979131)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:32 PM
Author: well-lubricated dead yarmulke locale

what's the argument for why the Fed should or shouldn't also buy long-dated munis?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980015)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:36 PM
Author: boyish dragon

No confidence in ratings in this environment. Its bad enough with short term paper. Its impossible with long term paper. Its breaks the pricing models theyve built. Simple math.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980044)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:27 PM
Author: marvelous becky university

Funny how these excessively well capitalized banks cannot provide liquidity to the bond market. Maybe it’s because they’re worthless and no one except an entity with no skin like the Fed would be willing to buy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979983)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:33 PM
Author: boyish dragon

Guy who doesnt understand model risk. Banks have PST Loss Thresholds and can only endanger 1 quarters worth of planned earnings in a quarter. When there is a market stress event and various loss limits are triggered this triggers mandatory selling across desks as the bank is forced to raise capital to protect against that ultimate PST breach. Thats how you end up with illiquidity. Every head of a Volcker desk has a risk officer he answers too. That risk officer told every desk head to mark to market every position they were long in on March 23 or 24. All the quarterly loss limits were breached that day industry wide. They literally cant go long again until the next quarter or until limits are adjusted by board action. At this point no bank is playing with bank money. Its all facility money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980021)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:39 PM
Author: flickering pit roast beef

BBBRRRRRRRRRR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979226)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:33 PM
Author: grizzly pea-brained hall mood

Disband the fed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980019)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:40 PM
Author: Mischievous startling black woman

I don’t think I’ve ever made this much money in two weeks (albeit after losing an even bigger fuckton).

I love it and this its great policy because I’m not a moralizing retarded faggot and understand what happens when fixed costs meet $0 revenue for a massive number of US businesses

Also they’re debt that becomes junk because of a freak pandemic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980066)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:03 PM
Author: razzle light coldplay fan sanctuary

What if the government just gave you a million dollars? We could all be rich!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980221)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:18 PM
Author: white native pervert

What did you buy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980326)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:22 PM
Author: Mischievous startling black woman

Soxl, SPXL, and very short dated spy calls now that premiums are down a bit. Pure gambling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980355)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:28 PM
Author: Honey-headed Mad Cow Disease

Exactly right. The Fed should be doing anything they can to soften the effect of the shock caused by the shutdown. A liquidity crunch followed by widespread bankruptcies helps no one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980396)