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how do communists treat real estate?
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:37 AM Author: charcoal bossy dilemma dingle berry what happens to billionaire's row? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572804) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:26 PM Author: Cruel-hearted underhanded bawdyhouse karate They give it to party officials or make a display of letting in a bunch of "historically oppressed" people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573921) |
Date: July 9th, 2020 9:38 AM Author: burgundy native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572807) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:38 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit Once they take power? A few things:
1. Mansions get broken up into apartments.
2. Mansions get used by party bosses. Do you expect AOC to live in an apartment like you do? |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:25 PM Author: sepia heaven community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573909) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:49 AM Author: nofapping potus in SF/Seattle the communist wing devotes all its political energy to stopping 4-story buildings from going up and blocking the light and air of $3 million mansions and destroying the mansions' property values (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572852) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:10 AM Author: pearly impertinent hell big shift in this over the past few years. now they believe that single family homes are evil and racist and that all new construction should be large, hideous apartment buildings (chock full of low income residents), even out in the suburbs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572980) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:25 AM Author: nofapping potus not really, the real lefties still are against anything new being built and against getting rid of single-family zoning...see Kshama Sawant in Seattle, AOC in NYC, Matt Haney in SF, etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573063) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:12 AM Author: odious candlestick maker this just isn't accurate at all lol, where are you getting this idea from? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573388) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:14 AM Author: nofapping potus (drooling idiot)
https://truthout.org/articles/yimbys-the-alt-right-darlings-of-the-real-estate-industry/
https://therealdeal.com/2019/12/04/progressives-opposing-queens-development-target-aoc/
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=347056609163770
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:22 AM Author: odious candlestick maker your own san fran link supports what me and dha tux are saying: that for a long time, up until quite recently - during the period when the democratic party actually at least nominally supported the working middle class - liberals tended to support single-family housing as a position that was in line with their constituency's interests
now that libs and the democratic party no longer support the working middle class, and are instead a party alliance of low class undesirables and the rich elite, they want to get rid of single-family housing and replace it with high-density housing to pack in as many low-class "democrat voters" and service sector slaves as possible
you just haven't been paying close enough attention (or probably don't live in one of the lib cities where this is happening) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:27 AM Author: nofapping potus this is an incredibly low iq/low information take. nobody is proposing to "get rid of" single family housing...ending single-family zoning restrictions wouldn't make the single family houses disappear. single family zoning didn't exist during most of American history but single-family homes were still the predominant development pre-zoning. houston doesn't have single-family zoning but most homes there are still single-family homes. it isn't overrun with high-density apartment blocks. in fact, most development pressures in suburbs are due to the leftist-run cities not building enough housing so demand spills over into the suburbs, from people fleeing the cities as they become more expensive.
there are literally millions of acres of suburban land in the US, it would take trillions of apartments to turn it all into high density housing. i mean, by definition high-density housing takes up very little land.
also, your links talk about ending single-family zoning to allow backyard cottages, not exactly 20-story commie blocks. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:31 AM Author: odious candlestick maker https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-minneapolis-became-the-first-to-end-single-family-zoning
again, not trying to be a dick here, but you just don't know what you're talking about. this stuff has been going on for years now. it's a slow and gradual push that has been coordinated by "the libs" across america
you're probably one of those "old school" libs who still thinks that the democratic party is some kind of 1990s bill clinton version, instead of the full-on elite + undesirables communist alliance that it now actually is |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:32 AM Author: nofapping potus ending single family zoning isn't the same as getting rid of single-family housing and you have to be incredibly dense to think it does. it's literally just affirming property rights.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/urbs/its-time-to-abolish-single-family-zoning/
there was no single-family zoning until the 1920s...yet the vast majority of housing built in america before that was single-family houses. a few single-family houses near train stations or with easy commutes to downtown jobs would get redeveloped and the rest would pretty much stay the same or get some granny flats built on it. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:40 AM Author: odious candlestick maker alright you're either dumb or trolling me. the only reason why single family homes affordable by the middle class still exist is because of single family zoning. if it wasn't for legal zoning mandates, they would all eventually be bulldozed down and replaced with high density housing. this isn't rocket science. i work in property development and this is happening everywhere that it's allowed right now in urban areas
yes, i'm aware of national review-tier "free market" "conservatives" also supporting the repeal of single-family zoning, as in your link. this is why the current populist movement in america exists: because mainstream "conservatives" all support the same policies and positions as elite liberals. they all want to squeeze out the middle class of regular people to the ostensible benefit of the rich and the slave lower class
let me ask you a question: do you regularly read 'The Economist' and consider yourself an expert in "economics" and "the markets?" |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:42 AM Author: nofapping potus " if it wasn't for legal zoning mandates, they would all eventually be bulldozed down and replaced with high density housing. this isn't rocket science."
ROFL. how much land is taken up by single-family homes in America? How many trillions of "high density housing" units would it take to bulldoze all of them and replace them? what would compel developers to spend quadrillions of dollars to build all these trillions of units and bulldoze every single-family homes if zoning disappeared tomorrow? if most middle-class people want to live in single-family homes, why wouldn't it be profitable for developers to keep building them? are you fucking retarded?
""the only reason why single family homes affordable by the middle class still exist is because of single family zoning""
houston has hundreds of thousands of affordable single-family homes without single-family zoning |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:17 PM Author: odious candlestick maker so do you read The Economist or not? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573852) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:19 PM Author: nofapping potus no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573860) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:58 AM Author: Vibrant lodge halford "the only reason why single family homes affordable by the middle class still exist is because of single family zoning"
you what |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:00 PM Author: nofapping potus thank god all that single-family zoning keeps palo alto so affordable to the middle class!
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1201-Parkinson-Ave-Palo-Alto-CA-94301/19469117_zpid/ |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:43 AM Author: pearly impertinent hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573602) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:46 AM Author: nofapping potus houston doesn't have single-family zoning, but builds tens of thousands of single-family houses per year and isn't completely overrun with high-density housing. odd case.
https://fee.org/articles/houston-says-no-to-zoning/ |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:52 AM Author: odious candlestick maker have you ever been to houston? it's enormous in terms of absolute land mass covered and extremely spread out, to a much greater extent than any other large american city
you seem like a complete idiot with little to no general knowledge about the subject you're talking about, yet still somehow wave around insane levels of dunning-kruger arrogance
always a fucking pumo, man |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:56 AM Author: nofapping potus you're proving my point, you imbecile
"it's enormous in terms of absolute land mass covered and extremely spread out, to a much greater extent than any other large american city"
and that's a development pattern that came about in the absence of zoning. so it completely disproves the idea that ending single-family zoning leads to bulldozing of all single family homes and replacing them with high-density housing blocks. the developers in houston built some high-density housing blocks, until that market was saturated. when there's a bit more demand, they build a few more. but the whole city isn't overrun with them because you'd need hundreds of millions of people to fill that many apartment buildings, and the demand isn't there. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:17 PM Author: odious candlestick maker when we are talking about single-family zoning and single-family homes, we are talking about these things within core urban areas where there is a limited amount of space. not single-family zoning out in the suburbs, where no one would be building high-density housing anyway
houston has plenty of space, so they don't *need* to legally zone areas specifically for single family homes. there is plenty of space to build them as demand supports it. i cannot believe that i actually have to type this out to clarify this, but you are apparently just this stupid or disingenuous or both
you are an incredibly ignorant, stupid, and dishonest person. it's amazing that it's always, ALWAYS a pumo |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:23 PM Author: nofapping potus you're contradicting yourself all over the place. before you claimed "the only reason why single family homes affordable by the middle class still exist is because of single family zoning." but all of those houses are out in the suburbs, where you now admit "no one would be building high-density housing anyway."
so now you're changing tack and admitting that the only single-family homes that would be bulldozed would be "within core urban areas with a limited amount of open space" ... those houses literally cost millions of dollars and aren't affordable to the middle class at all...so what are you trying to even say |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:30 PM Author: odious candlestick maker yep, they're pretty expensive now for a variety of reasons. but you know what would make them less expensive? *more* single family zoning within core urban areas, resulting in a higher supply of single family homes
does it seem like a desirable situation to you that we have regular people with families forced to live 25 miles outside of core urban areas just so they can live in their own home around other families, while core urban areas are occupied by sterile lib hedonists and an imported artificial slave class?
zoning is NEVER about helping nebulous "market forces" "discover" the right economically optimal balance of property development. it's about using the force of law to deliberately engineer human developments to result in a desired outcome or arrangement |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:34 PM Author: nofapping potus hey brain genius, how would more single family zoning in core urban areas result in "more supply of single family homes" when, by your own admission, these are places with "a limited amount of space"? you realize single family homes take up a lot of space, right? high land prices due to limited land are exactly what prompts developers to build higher-density buildings, and that's also what makes shitty 1960s ranch houses in SF worth $3M. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573995) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:57 AM Author: Vibrant lodge halford is this GOY SUPERSTAR
you have the same incredibly retarded take (you have no idea how markets work at even the most basic econ 101 level) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:58 AM Author: Appetizing green theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572889) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:00 AM Author: Misunderstood trip corner Commie leaders get the mansions Commie members get the nice apartments Everyone else lives in utter filth, packed 10 deep in tenements |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:07 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit The "Commie member" apartments are only "nice" compared to the next layer down. Kind of how they can eventually get luxuries like cars but the cars are complete shit compared to what people get in non-Commie countries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572959) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:08 AM Author: Misunderstood trip corner Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572965) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:09 AM Author: nofapping potus At first most of the party member apartments/houses are nice, and most others are at least decent at first
But eventually everything starts to decay and become decrepit because there's no market incentive to repair anything and because economic production has declined so it becomes unaffordable to make any repair, and there's too much bureaucratic red tape to get anything done. As housing begins to decay and some gets abandoned, people start crowding into fewer and fewer apartments. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:13 AM Author: submissive base factory reset button Soviet housing did not work like this. There actually were mortgages and private land and housing development. You were allowed to take a loan and build a house. To the extent there was an impedement it was building supplies. No Home Depot. Good luck finding lumber without connections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572997) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:18 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit What are you talking about? I've never heard this and don't know anyone that lived like this, including family that were fairly senior Communist Party members. They just got nicer apartments. You got land for a dacha and yes, you could usually build something there depending on the size of the dacha. Technically, you didn't own it. It was "the people's land" that was granted for your use. Technically, this was true of the apartment you lived in as well. The concept of "private land" only happened with privatization after the fall of the USSR (many of our relatives got their apartments and dachas granted to them this way). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573020) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:27 AM Author: submissive base factory reset button This is utterly wrong. The state only built +/- 80% of the housing units in the USSR. 20% even before perestroika was privately built and privately owned. Lots were sold with express conditions that you had 6 months to stand up a structure on the lot. There were even landlords in the USSR. You could build two family structures on your lot and rent one out. The entire country was not concrete slab apartment blocks -- only about 80% of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573085) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:23 AM Author: nofapping potus In Moscow the bureaucracy and regulations meant little new residential was built anywhere near the city center, so all new housing went up in commie blocks miles separated from the city center by miles of industrial warehouses which in a functioning land market would've gone in the peripheries.
So now Moscow has the longest commutes in the world among cities over a million people:
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-15-cities-with-the-longest-commutes-in-the-world-2015-10 |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:26 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit Idk about that either. There are quite a few new towers in Moscow proper. But many people want US-style suburbs and just like around NYC, Chicago and any other large city, that means going pretty far out before you can get a real house with a garage, land, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573073) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:28 AM Author: nofapping potus The new towers weren't built during the communist era, retard.
During the communist era the bulk of new towers were built in huge blocks far out from the center. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:31 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit There are plenty of towers in and around the center from the communist era too. When we were renting apartments in Moscow a huge portion that we checked out were renovations of Communist apartment blocs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573111) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:35 AM Author: nofapping potus the highest-density part of moscow is 10 miles out from the city center... in NYC if you go 10 miles out you hit suburban Essex or Nassau or Westchester.
this phenomenon about moscow land patterns has been extensively studied in economics. look at this chart. the paris spatial distribution is common in most cities with free markets, while the moscow distribution is only seen in communist command economies.
https://cdn.sanity.io/images/5azy6oei/production/7f948c841e5f32e79ad47989b513e3740dae3a68-960x720.jpg |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:25 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit Yes, because a lot of land is protected and many structures are historical. For example, the area around Vorobyoviyi Gori (the Moscow State University area). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573496) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:28 AM Author: nofapping potus ...uh, that's what i was saying from the beginning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573505) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:31 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit You bastard, if this was the Soviet Union I'd have you shot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573525) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:39 AM Author: nofapping potus just to twist the knife a little more, i'll also point out that Paris is a hell of a lot more historical than Moscow, yet still has higher density in the center. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573577) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:10 AM Author: submissive base factory reset button Guy who doesnt remember how shitty all cars were until the mid 80s. Soviet cars only became total jokes around 1984 as the system began to crumble. Through the 70s they were solid export successes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572977) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:15 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit LOL, "export" meaning to other Communist countries. Western cars were many times better than Soviet cars in before the mid-1980s as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573007) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:17 AM Author: submissive base factory reset button Nah, they even exported well to Canada. Canada used to have a fuckton of Ladas. The Soviets just built Euro style smallish cars. Exported well to everywhere except the US. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573016) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:22 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit "A fuckton" is 12k/year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AvtoVAZ_vehicles_in_international_markets
You can compare to other cars here: https://driving.ca/gmc/auto-news/news/the-10-best-selling-vehicles-in-canada-in-2018?preview_id=344180
tl;dr - it was nowhere near a top selling car. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:28 AM Author: submissive base factory reset button Cold War, bro. 12k a year in Canada is a fuckton. That's a Mazda level manufacturer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573093) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:32 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit It isn't. Canada wasn't significantly impacted by the Cold War. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573117) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:33 AM Author: submissive base factory reset button Sure, bro. Regular WARPAC member it was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573131) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:34 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit If it was a WARPAC member then they would have been stuck with Ladas even though they sucked. IRL, they sold as many Ladas as people wanted, which wasn't that many. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573138) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:31 AM Author: pea-brained crimson alpha "Why Lada does not start in minus fifty degree weather?"
"... Owner froze to death!" |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:32 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit "How do you get Lada to 100kph? Put it on a freight train..."
"What's the difference between a golf ball and a Lada? You can drive a golf ball 50 yards..."
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:37 AM Author: pea-brained crimson alpha "OK, sir, your sales paperwork for your car is ready. Please come back in ten years to pick it up."
"Morning or afternoon?"
"Sir, it's ten years... what difference does that make?"
"Well, the plumber's coming in the morning." |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:10 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573381) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:28 PM Author: sepia heaven community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573940) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:43 AM Author: pea-brained crimson alpha Two friends were walking down the street in Moscow. One turns to the other and asks him, "Is this it? Have we achieved full communism now?"
His friend answers, "Oh, no, things are going to get a hell of a lot worse." |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:15 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit Egypt has opened the crypt of a pyramid and, after failing to identify the mummy in the tomb they turn to Soviet experts. The Soviet experts say "we'll have to ship it back to the USSR, but give us a few weeks and we'll have the info."
A few weeks pass and a phone call comes from Moscow. They pass on the names, details of his life, everyone he knew, etc. The Egyptians exclaim "this is amazing, how did you manage this?" Soviet expert: "They always talk sooner or later..." |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:23 AM Author: pea-brained crimson alpha A man in Moscow lost his pet parrot. He immediately reported it to the local KGB office.
"We don't understand... why wouldn't you just report this to the local police? It's just a parrot."
"I just wanted to let you know that I don't agree with a single thing my parrot says!" |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:28 AM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit Love that one!
The KGB and Brezhnev hatch an idea on how to finally fix the Soviet economy and infrastructure. "Comrades, the Germans and the Japanese got in a war with the West, and after losing the West paid to rebuild them to be better than they were before..." As they present the plan, the head of the military looks horrified. "What's wrong, Comrade?" "But what if we win?" |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:42 AM Author: pea-brained crimson alpha lol, wonderful
Reminds me a little of this one:
An American diplomat and a Russian diplomat are discussing the differences between their two political systems. The American says, "I can go walk into the White House, bang on the president's desk, and tell him 'Mr. Reagan, I don't like the way you're running this country!'"
The Russian says, "I can do that, too."
The American says, "Really?"
The Russian says, "Of course. I can go into the Kremlin, bang on our leader's desk, and tell him 'Mr. Gorbachev, I don't like the way President Reagan is running his country!'" |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:22 PM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit "Before Perestroika, the country found itself standing at the edge of a cliff! Since then, we have taken a giant step forward."
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Date: July 9th, 2020 2:44 PM Author: pea-brained crimson alpha "What did Soviets use for light before they had candles?"
"Electricity." |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 2:48 PM Author: Rambunctious orchestra pit That's a great one.
A man walks into a store and asks "is this the shop that doesn't have any cheese?" The clerk replies "no, this is the shop that doesn't have any meat. The shop that doesn't have any cheese is down the street." |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:45 PM Author: pea-brained crimson alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40575422) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:27 PM Author: sepia heaven community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573928) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:09 AM Author: Violent Ocher Sanctuary shit gets converted into communal apartments I'm pretty sure (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572968) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:11 AM Author: massive area little harder to redistribute farm land when no one lives around you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572984) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:11 AM Author: concupiscible emerald box office haunted graveyard I believe in China the government owns all the land and the most you can get is a 70 year lease, which can be renewed—though they are not required to renew it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40572986) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 10:15 AM Author: submissive base factory reset button As opposed to Yankeestan where you do own your land so long as you keep making your property tax a/k/a rent payments on it every year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573005) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 11:23 AM Author: amethyst state dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40573472) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 12:41 PM Author: aromatic athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40574045) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 8:44 PM Author: excitant rusted chapel wagecucks they do the same thing in UK but it's 100 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40576976) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 3:15 AM Author: charcoal bossy dilemma dingle berry *999 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4579901&forum_id=2#40578487) |