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Date: July 16th, 2020 10:38 PM Author: nighttime chad cruise ship
Ruger 556
S&W M&P Sport II
Either of those are good entry rifles
Get a flashlight (surefire or streamlight) and attach it to the handguard. Get a red dot sight and a sling. Buy lots of magazines and ammo
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Date: July 17th, 2020 12:56 PM Author: overrated blood rage
I'm talking about non combatant civilians. i.e. What everyone on this shit board would be. In reality 90% would flee any territory that truly collapsed. But in the event you chose to stay in your white boomer exurb you are protecting your neighborhood and not taking territory. With the exception if your neighborhood defense militia decides to start attacking territory but very likely there won't be the man power or will for that.
Other exception is you join a true centralized combatant network but that will also never happen in the United states because there will always bee some semblance of military to hold and engage crucial territory.
Ultimately you either live in a coastal city you flee or die in until it gets under federal control or you live in an interior city population center that has degraded public safety to extent organized black criminals start killing and extorting with impunity until peace framework is formed, likely with same criminals taking prominent role in local government. In that case you flee to exurbs and hold with previous mentioned band of white boomers and shoot it out with whoever drives out there for loot.
Then long, long term, assuming full collapse you go to agro self defense commune and de facto independent territories end up forming along city, rural divide. But this is not going to happen and you (any xo poster) will likely flee to Argentina or Europe by this point.
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Date: July 17th, 2020 12:53 AM Author: Bright Fragrant Immigrant
Glock 17 (bigger hands) or 19 (if you want to conceal carry)
Ar15, get one with the rail mounting
- cheap flash light
- cheap sling
If you have extra funds:
- holosun 510c (circle dot)
- holosun 3x magnifier
If you have 10k to spare, and this is the only "game changer" attachment
- pvs-14 white phosphor night vision optics
- helmet to mount the optics
- laser illuminator for your gun
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Date: July 17th, 2020 12:25 PM Author: Alcoholic base wrinkle
AK-47
228 compact
Body armor
2 nades
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Date: July 21st, 2020 7:03 PM Author: Plum Vigorous Lettuce Haunted Graveyard
Yes.
Yes.
And they shut down the permitting process because COVID for a while until they got sued so now there's a backlog. fml.
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Date: October 19th, 2020 4:31 PM Author: Coral stirring national
The following items and brands are ranked in order:
• an AR from one of the following:
- Knight's Armament (KAC)
- Lone Star Armory
- Cobalt Kinetics
- American Defense Manufacturing
- BG Defense (also known as Type A Rifles)
- Fierce Arms
- Triarc
- Era3
- JP Enterprises (mostly competition guns, but my god do they shoot well)
- V Seven
- Barrett
- Noveske
- Hodge Defense
- FIMS Manufacturing
- Radian
- Lewis Machine Tool (LMT)
- Heckler and Koch
- LaRue
- Centurion Arms
- White Oak Armament
- Salient Arms
- Geissele
- Wilson Combat
- Daniel Defense
- NEMO Arms
- Sig Sauer MCX Virtus or LT
- Sionics
- Watchtower Firearms / F1
- Primary Weapons Systems
- Patriot Ordnance Factory (POF)
- Barnes Precision Machine
- Christensen Arms
- Precision Reflex
- Sons Of Liberty Gunworks (SOLGW)
- Lantac
- Seekins Precision
- LWRC
- Cheytac USA
- HM Defense
- Black Rain Ordnance
- Texas Shooter's Supply
- Springfield Armory Saint Edge
- Bravo Company Manufacturing (BCM)
- Midwest Industries
- Tactical Edge Arms
- CMMG
- Faxon
- Ballistic Advantage
- Turner Armament
- Springfield Armory Saint Victor
- Sig Sauer M400 Tread
(everything below this is last resort)
- PSA Custom
- Radical Firearms RF-15 SOCOM
- Rock River Arms
- Aero Precision
- Del-Ton
- All other PSA
- Diamondback Tactical
- Daytona Tactical
Main things are to get a barrel between 11.5" and 16" (preferably as short as possible), with 1:7 or 1:8 twist rate, a rail system capable of mounting attachments, and the best trigger and optics you can afford.
ATTACHMENTS:
----- sling: Ferro Slingster, VTAC, Vickers Tactical, Blue Force, Frank Proctor
----- spare mags: ETS, Magpul, Troy, Lancer
----- Low Power Variable Optic (LPVO): Vortex, Leupold, Nightforce, EOtech, Schmidt & Bender, Kahles, Steiner, Atibal, Primary Arms (BUDGET, but great reticle)
----- offset red dot or reflex: Aimpoint, EOtech, Leupold, Trijicon, Holosun
----- light: Modlite, Surefire, Arisaka, Streamlight
----- forward grip: BCM, Magpul, Daniel Defense, Arisaka
----- pistol grip: B5 Systems, BCM, Magpul
----- stock: B5 Systems, BCM, Magpul
• a Glock, Sig P320X, CZP10, M&P 2.0, or Canik TP9 (budget)
- get a holster (rec Safariland), light (same as above lights), red dot (same as above red dots)
next:
• chest rig: Spiritus, Haley Strategic, Ferro Concepts, Mayflower/Velocity Systems
• level 3 or 4 plates: Hesco, RMA
• plate carrier: Crye, Spiritus, LBT, Firstspear, Tyr Tactical
• AR10 or bolt rifle in .308 0r 6.5 Creedmoor: Same as above rifle manufacturers with addition of Christensen Arms, Gunwerks, Kimber FN, GA Precision
- bipod and sling
• Ruger 10/22 with extended mags
So, now that you've got all of this stuff, to whom should you turn to learn how to use it?
- Xray Alpha, LLC (Matt Pranka's company -- Delta guy retired in 2020, and USPSA GM)
- Ben Stoeger / Practical Shooting Training Group (world championship pistol shooters)
- GBRS Group (entirely former DEVGRU SEALs -- but idk if they're taking civilian clients rn)
- Hades Consulting (former Delta operators)
- Condition One Group (former DEVGRU)
- Arcane Group (almost entirely staffed with former US SOF including a few Delta guys and a DEVGRU guy)
- AMTAC Shooting (Bill Rapier, former DEVGRU)
- Northern Red Training (all former Delta or Special Forces CIF [direct action team])
- Frank Proctor Shooting (ex Green Beret and champion competition shooter)
- Green Eye Tactical (Eric Dorenbush's company -- ex Delta)
- Viking Tactics / Kyle Lamb (ex Delta)
- Aztec Training Services (one ex Delta guy and a ton of world champion competitive shooters)
- Pat McNamara (ex Delta)
- Bob Keller / Gamut Resolutions (ex Delta)
- Shaw Shooting (national champion competitive shooters who train SOF units)
- Core Vision Training (recent ex Rangers and Green Berets who train civilians in CQB)
- CTT-Solutions (Mike Pannone, ex-Delta and USPSA Master)
- Tony Cowden / Capable Inc. (ex Delta)
- Haley Strategic (ex Recon Marine)
- Esoteric / Yousef Sansour (former counterterror fed and high level competitive shooter who trains all the fed agencies)
- Direct Action Resource Center (DARC) (ex Green Berets)
- Redback One (run by Jason Falla, former Australian Tier 1)
- Ronin Tactics (ex Green Beret; stupidly kitschy at times, but one of the best tactical instructors I've seen)
- Kagwerks (ex Rangers)
- Green Ops (several ex-SOF instructors, and one excellent competitive shooter)
- Vigilance Elite (ex SEAL and CIA contractor)
- Combat Shooting and Tactics (CSAT) / Paul Howe (another ex Delta guy from 90s/early 2000s)
- Baer Solutions (ex Green Beret)
- Trident Concepts (ex SEAL)
- Thunder Ranch (run by Clint Smith, well known ex Marine and SWAT officer who's been training people since the 80s)
- Sage Dynamics (ex Rangers and SWAT cops)
- Gunsite Academy (long established training center run mostly by cops)
- EAG Tactical (current SWAT cop)
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Date: October 19th, 2020 11:24 PM Author: Claret international law enforcement agency meetinghouse
great list, a lot of work typing that out.
highly unnecessary. many would be better off with a different 5.56 than some of those armories. what's wrong with a random 5.56 vs a random ar15 brand.
personally i agree with glock having a glock 21 but it's so broad. the p320 is great but i wouldn't get it in .357 or .40.
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Date: October 19th, 2020 11:49 PM Author: Coral stirring national
Those brands are well known for quality. I don't know what poasters can afford, or what they need for their specific situation; best possible world is a KAC SR-15 upper on a Radian Model 1 lower with Geissele internals, but idk how many poasters can put one of those together -- much less find them rn. If a poaster lives in downtown Memphis, they have different needs than a poaster in Wyoming; they also have differing budgets. Giving them a list they can pick and choose from is far more helpful than telling them what exact model to buy.
I'd love to hear what other 5.56 people should run that offers an advantage over those I listed. PSA? they're better than nothing, certainly, and if they were my second or third AR, I'd get one no problem. But I want something better as my first option.
Yeah, again, I didn't tell people what model or caliber to buy because needs differ, but those brands make quality and out of that pool, you can find something for pretty much any mission. It's like tools -- if you asked me where to buy tools, I might not know what your project is but I know Gearwrench wrenches and Dewalt battery powered are well made and backed up by good customer service.
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Date: October 19th, 2020 5:38 PM Author: Flushed Bossy Casino
Glock 17 with a light + night sights in it. Woke people like red dots but I prefer hard sights.
I have a Daniel Defense DDm4v11 pro that I’ve put 2,000 rounds through without a single failure. Put a light and sling on it. Forward grips are a choice of preference but I prefer something that’s more horizontal. Make sure to get flip up irons. I have an EOS + 3x magnifier on mine.
You should also have a 22 and a 308 if you have room. I like the ruger 10/22 and the M1A Scout.
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Date: October 19th, 2020 11:41 PM Author: Sapphire garrison mother
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this thread will save and end lives
i have a savage axis 2 243 for hunting, ruger 10/22 and gettgin a glock 17/19, SS P365xL and either gonna get a JP or scorpion pistol grip carbine basic models
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Date: October 20th, 2020 1:15 AM Author: Coral stirring national
Alright. Some of these will be expensive, some will be cheaper. Wade through the links to find one that fits what you're looking for. Don't pay more than $2,800 for an AR-15 and that better be for KAC or Radian -- no others are worth it. Most of these you should not pay more than $2,500 for, and that number drops to $1,900 if it's BCM or LWRC, $1,500 if Aero or Turner -- and all of those numbers are still in the expensive range, where you should be looking for some aftermarket upgrades like Geissele or Radian triggers/charging handles, or something else to raise the value.
AR-15:
- https://www.turnerarmco.com/Turner-Armament-Recon-p/tac-recon.htm
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881868909 (best AR on the market, and you pay through the nose for it)
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881888136
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881607120
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881498481
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880051851
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881241123 / https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881240926 (identical rifles, different listings; do not bid more than a grand for this)
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/879608651
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/879779675
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881895945
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881599634
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881861230
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881660604
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881926540
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881224952
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880858695
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881233828
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881449602
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881235238
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881304796
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881946995
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881456094
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881805902
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881896450
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/879556355
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881382084
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881597959
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881669655
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881896731
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881819689
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881552263 (Piston driven, not DI, so not as smooth but just as good if you know how to shoot)
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881592019
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881964446
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881950457
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880871863
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881825417 (good deal rn, bidding is in the $1,100 range)
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881219923
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880981697 (awesome package deal, but still expensive)
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881780522
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880599948
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881734590
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AR-10:
Don't pay more than $3,000, and that better be from KAC, Radian, Christensen, LMT -- all else should cap at $2500, and Aero should cap at like $1,600.
- gunbroker.com/item/881550716
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880802327 (Christensen is top-tier quality, and again, you pay for it)
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880975516
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881867502
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881760147
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880790803
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881943274
- https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881506275
That should give you plenty to look through.
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Date: October 20th, 2020 2:08 AM Author: Bright Fragrant Immigrant
Those are all amazing rifles, and they're all top end.
But most people here are just getting into guns. They'd be better served getting some standard issue ~$1000 AR15 and putting thousands of rounds through the rifle.
The AR platform is extremely mature such that most of off-the-shelf components are very reliable. It's diminishing returns at the top end, and half the price is the cachet of the brand name.
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Date: October 20th, 2020 11:52 AM Author: Coral stirring national
CR on training. Best options, in a rough order, are:
- GBRS Group (the very best on this list -- entirely former DEVGRU SEALs -- but idk if they're taking civilian clients rn)
- Fieldcraft Survival
- Tony Cowden / Capable Inc.
- Haley Strategic
- Ronin Tactics (stupidly kitschy at times, but one of the best tactical instructors I've ever seen)
- Aztec Training Services
- Core Vision Training
- Esoteric / Yousef Sansour
- Frank Proctor Shooting
- Kagwerks
- Viking Tactics / Kyle Lamb
- Vigilance Elite
- Pat McNamara
- Direct Action Resource Center (DARC)
- Shaw Shooting
- Combat Shooting and Tactics (CSAT) / Paul Howe
- Baer Solutions
- Trident Concepts
- Thunder Ranch
- Gunsite Academy
- Sage Dynamics
- EAG Tactical
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Date: October 20th, 2020 12:01 AM Author: Flushed Bossy Casino
Get a battle rifle
Or a scouting rifle
AR is always a good choice
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4586578&forum_id=2#41146544)
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Date: October 20th, 2020 12:05 AM Author: Coral stirring national
If you get a shotgun, I'd get semi-auto. I'd also get an AR first, and then a 7.62 rifle.
Definitely get the 10/22, they're such versatile little guns.
19 is good, I like mine.
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Date: November 1st, 2020 3:25 PM Author: Sapphire garrison mother
Yeah his book, it’s pretty good not too in depth but made me glad to be out of MFH
I’ll order that one next
I’m still in pretty shitlib area so there’s really no where to train which he says is most important
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Date: November 1st, 2020 3:31 PM Author: Coral stirring national
Gotta move brother
Troubles are coming
Gotta find a way to hit the range
Dryfire also helps a LOT
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