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The debate around the 1619 Project is the worst example of modern gaslighting

For those who aren't privy to all the details: 1. The the...
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Yes, the "whites" who benefited.
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Which countries don't have "a primitive history and sav...
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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:21 AM
Author: house-broken office athletic conference

For those who aren't privy to all the details:

1. The thesis of the project's lead essay by N. Hannah Jones features an obvious mistruth, namely the idea that the motivating factor for the Revolution was to preserve slavery. Setting aside everything that comes after, this is such an obvious mistruth -- besides about half the Founders being anti-slavery, there was no indication the British intended to do anything to change the status quo of slavery in the colonies -- that whoever wrote it is either an idiot or purposely lying.

2. N. Hannah Jones's handpicked factchecker points this out to her pre-editing. N. Hannah Jones refuses to change it, but even worse, *doesn't tell her factchecker that she ignored her advice*. This is a serious journalistic breach. A factchecker in effect lends credibility to a project by implicitly vouching for its veracity. Not even discussing this with her for such a high profile piece is inexcusable.

3. When it publishes, notable historians -- including some N Hannah Jones herself cites to argue *for* her work -- level the same critique that her factchecker did. N. Hannah Jones, knowing her own factchecker had the same issue with the writing, chooses to publicly accuse the historians of racial bias.

So to sum up: the author of this work includes an obvious mistruth against the advice of her factchecker then impugns the credibility of historians for daring to criticize it. And she won a Pulitzer for her trouble, and its going to be mandatory reading for millions of kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40653207)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:25 AM
Author: Bright prole



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Date: July 24th, 2020 9:53 AM
Author: sepia spectacular crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654251)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 9:56 AM
Author: walnut theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654270)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 9:57 AM
Author: deep state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654272)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 9:58 AM
Author: Motley plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654281)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:00 AM
Author: concupiscible whorehouse bbw

Haven’t read it and don’t care to. Slavery was obviously a huge part of early American history for black people and the whites who benefited from it. Like most countries, the US has a primitive history and savage traditions that tempered with modernization. No need to embellish an already interesting and instructive story.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654287)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:07 AM
Author: mint idiot

Yes, the "whites" who benefited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654316)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:28 AM
Author: adventurous filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654360)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:57 AM
Author: lavender arousing sweet tailpipe center

I reject this notion that slavery is some thing of the past that we transcended. Off-shoring slavery or giving slaves a daily salary instead of a place to live and food is meaningless.

As is the distinction between having to pick cotton or having to assemble iphones or glue pieces of fabric together to make dresses or sneakers.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654462)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 11:13 AM
Author: Burgundy Ladyboy

very sad & very true. As with pollution we haven't eradicated it, we've simply moved it out of sight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654535)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 11:27 AM
Author: cheese-eating mother chapel

Okay? So I'm my employer's slave because they give me a daily salary, for which I perform tedious labor? Sure, maybe, but then if we "liberate" all the slaves nobody is working and we all starve. Somebody has to farm so you can eat. If you don't feel like farming, then fine, do something else to pay the farmer, and the farmer in turn trades the food for other things he needs, etc. It'd be great if we didn't have to do this and everything we want magically appeared, but we don't have the Star Trek replicators yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654597)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:12 PM
Author: lavender arousing sweet tailpipe center

Im not making a moral argument, just a description.

Im all for making moral arguments, but they need to begin from a place of accurate description. Youre not really your employers slave, but some kid in Bangladesh making Kardahsian purses is. Some lady in China is.

The pretense I most want to burst is the idea that there has been a moral progression, and we 21st Centurymos are "better people" than 18th C people. We're not. Nothing has changed but the wrapping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654823)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:15 PM
Author: Sable fluffy senate

cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654846)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:14 PM
Author: abusive legal warrant

Which countries don't have "a primitive history and savage traditions that tempered with modernization"? Papua New Guinea because they never experienced modernization?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654833)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:08 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654318)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:09 AM
Author: Tripping frisky step-uncle's house reading party

she's a black female talking about racism you aren't supposed to question it no matter how obviously false or ridiculous it is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654321)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:52 AM
Author: house-broken office athletic conference

*half-black.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654447)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:52 AM
Author: boyish saffron useless brakes theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654448)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 1:04 PM
Author: pearly excitant therapy associate



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Date: July 24th, 2020 1:05 PM
Author: jet rehab gaping



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:53 AM
Author: Curious Stag Film

There's debate? Its just 1619ers calling anyone who disagrees a raciss.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654452)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 11:31 AM
Author: stimulating zombie-like hospital

Why are you trying so silence black and brown voices? I don't see you doing the same to David Duke, Richard Spencer, Tucker Carlson? Maybe you and your MAGA incel bros should fuck off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654610)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 8:12 PM
Author: house-broken office athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40656794)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 11:31 AM
Author: indecent orchestra pit gaming laptop

So it doesn't actually cancel the constitution? Odd because over the next 20 years this will be taught to our children as fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654613)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:50 PM
Author: Cerebral indigo public bath jew

Gordon Wood's response

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/28/wood-n28.html

XO Jefferson:

"Q. There’s the famous quote from Jefferson that the Missouri crisis awakened him like a fire bell in the night and that in it he perceived the death of the union...

A. Right. He’s absolutely panicked by what’s happening, and these last years of his life leading up to 1826 are really quite sad because he’s saying these things. Reading his writings between 1819 and his death in 1826 makes you wince because he so often sounds like a southern fire-eater of the 1850s. Whereas his friend Madison has a much more balanced view of things, Jefferson becomes a furious and frightened defender of the South. He sees a catastrophe in the works, and he can’t do anything about it."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40655030)