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The debate around the 1619 Project is the worst example of modern gaslighting

For those who aren't privy to all the details: 1. The the...
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Haven’t read it and don’t care to. Slavery was o...
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Yes, the "whites" who benefited.
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very sad & very true. As with pollution we haven't erad...
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Okay? So I'm my employer's slave because they give me a dai...
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Im not making a moral argument, just a description. Im al...
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Which countries don't have "a primitive history and sav...
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she's a black female talking about racism you aren't suppos...
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*half-black.
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Why are you trying so silence black and brown voices? I don'...
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So it doesn't actually cancel the constitution? Odd because ...
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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:21 AM
Author: lemon roommate pervert

For those who aren't privy to all the details:

1. The thesis of the project's lead essay by N. Hannah Jones features an obvious mistruth, namely the idea that the motivating factor for the Revolution was to preserve slavery. Setting aside everything that comes after, this is such an obvious mistruth -- besides about half the Founders being anti-slavery, there was no indication the British intended to do anything to change the status quo of slavery in the colonies -- that whoever wrote it is either an idiot or purposely lying.

2. N. Hannah Jones's handpicked factchecker points this out to her pre-editing. N. Hannah Jones refuses to change it, but even worse, *doesn't tell her factchecker that she ignored her advice*. This is a serious journalistic breach. A factchecker in effect lends credibility to a project by implicitly vouching for its veracity. Not even discussing this with her for such a high profile piece is inexcusable.

3. When it publishes, notable historians -- including some N Hannah Jones herself cites to argue *for* her work -- level the same critique that her factchecker did. N. Hannah Jones, knowing her own factchecker had the same issue with the writing, chooses to publicly accuse the historians of racial bias.

So to sum up: the author of this work includes an obvious mistruth against the advice of her factchecker then impugns the credibility of historians for daring to criticize it. And she won a Pulitzer for her trouble, and its going to be mandatory reading for millions of kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40653207)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:25 AM
Author: Arrogant low-t milk church building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40653220)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 9:53 AM
Author: Wonderful sinister yarmulke electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654251)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 9:56 AM
Author: boyish gunner pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654270)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 9:57 AM
Author: Sepia indian lodge boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654272)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 9:58 AM
Author: Maroon institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654281)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:00 AM
Author: contagious wrinkle

Haven’t read it and don’t care to. Slavery was obviously a huge part of early American history for black people and the whites who benefited from it. Like most countries, the US has a primitive history and savage traditions that tempered with modernization. No need to embellish an already interesting and instructive story.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654287)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:07 AM
Author: odious gas station nowag

Yes, the "whites" who benefited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654316)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:28 AM
Author: floppy queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654360)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:57 AM
Author: mind-boggling center hominid

I reject this notion that slavery is some thing of the past that we transcended. Off-shoring slavery or giving slaves a daily salary instead of a place to live and food is meaningless.

As is the distinction between having to pick cotton or having to assemble iphones or glue pieces of fabric together to make dresses or sneakers.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654462)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 11:13 AM
Author: Cerise Garrison Mother

very sad & very true. As with pollution we haven't eradicated it, we've simply moved it out of sight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654535)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 11:27 AM
Author: Brilliant Parlor Ladyboy

Okay? So I'm my employer's slave because they give me a daily salary, for which I perform tedious labor? Sure, maybe, but then if we "liberate" all the slaves nobody is working and we all starve. Somebody has to farm so you can eat. If you don't feel like farming, then fine, do something else to pay the farmer, and the farmer in turn trades the food for other things he needs, etc. It'd be great if we didn't have to do this and everything we want magically appeared, but we don't have the Star Trek replicators yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654597)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:12 PM
Author: mind-boggling center hominid

Im not making a moral argument, just a description.

Im all for making moral arguments, but they need to begin from a place of accurate description. Youre not really your employers slave, but some kid in Bangladesh making Kardahsian purses is. Some lady in China is.

The pretense I most want to burst is the idea that there has been a moral progression, and we 21st Centurymos are "better people" than 18th C people. We're not. Nothing has changed but the wrapping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654823)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:15 PM
Author: Disrespectful Nursing Home

cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654846)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:14 PM
Author: medicated sexy stage

Which countries don't have "a primitive history and savage traditions that tempered with modernization"? Papua New Guinea because they never experienced modernization?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654833)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:08 AM
Author: motley circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654318)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:09 AM
Author: Snowy school

she's a black female talking about racism you aren't supposed to question it no matter how obviously false or ridiculous it is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654321)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:52 AM
Author: lemon roommate pervert

*half-black.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654447)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:52 AM
Author: misanthropic cracking friendly grandma elastic band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654448)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 1:04 PM
Author: yapping sickened new version bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40655093)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 1:05 PM
Author: Stimulating Awkward Police Squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40655100)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 10:53 AM
Author: nighttime ultramarine corner affirmative action

There's debate? Its just 1619ers calling anyone who disagrees a raciss.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654452)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 11:31 AM
Author: vermilion theater boiling water

Why are you trying so silence black and brown voices? I don't see you doing the same to David Duke, Richard Spencer, Tucker Carlson? Maybe you and your MAGA incel bros should fuck off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654610)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 8:12 PM
Author: lemon roommate pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40656794)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 11:31 AM
Author: dark big location wagecucks

So it doesn't actually cancel the constitution? Odd because over the next 20 years this will be taught to our children as fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40654613)



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Date: July 24th, 2020 12:50 PM
Author: black high-end dopamine foreskin

Gordon Wood's response

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/28/wood-n28.html

XO Jefferson:

"Q. There’s the famous quote from Jefferson that the Missouri crisis awakened him like a fire bell in the night and that in it he perceived the death of the union...

A. Right. He’s absolutely panicked by what’s happening, and these last years of his life leading up to 1826 are really quite sad because he’s saying these things. Reading his writings between 1819 and his death in 1826 makes you wince because he so often sounds like a southern fire-eater of the 1850s. Whereas his friend Madison has a much more balanced view of things, Jefferson becomes a furious and frightened defender of the South. He sees a catastrophe in the works, and he can’t do anything about it."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4590826&forum_id=2#40655030)