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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:00 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part All Christians must vote Biden as a matter of theological necessity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017338) |
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Date: October 1st, 2020 3:34 PM Author: disgusting motley whorehouse personal credit line Defense? There is nothing to defend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41026486) |
Date: September 30th, 2020 10:00 AM Author: Brindle razzmatazz blood rage Yeah just do vote for the party trying to make ACB look like she's in a cult and is refusing to let people go to church. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017342) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:01 AM Author: Stimulating Sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017345) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:03 AM Author: Milky useless space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017358) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:04 AM Author: kink-friendly multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017362) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:07 AM Author: bonkers bawdyhouse yeah it's not culty at all to have 7 jet black congo downs babies because condoms were invented by satan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017376) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:11 AM Author: contagious library cuck (family formation expert) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017403) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:07 AM Author: disgusting motley whorehouse personal credit line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017773) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:08 AM Author: razzle-dazzle crackhouse psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017383) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:12 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part Lol you care more about preventing thousands from having abortions than giving millions access to lifetime healthcare. Classic stubbornness and myopia preventing the good for the sake of the perfect. Terrible theology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017414) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:12 AM Author: Filthy jew go take your meds, Schlomo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017419) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:55 AM Author: Milky useless space "Lol you care more about preventing thousands from having abortions than giving millions access to lifetime healthcare"
I don't even care about abortion but pretending that nationalized healthcare is something that everyone wants is hilariously stupid. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:58 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part "everyone wants"?
What kind of Christian person is not interested in making a deal for a centralized healthcare charity fund? |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:25 AM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces That sounds like an interesting idea. I don't think that is the dem plan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017902) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:26 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part government is a centralized offering plate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017909) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:28 AM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces It's not a charity fund. It will take complete control of the industry and use it for nefarious purposes as it always does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017923) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:44 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part So the government is good when it prevents things you think are unbiblical, but is not good when it furthers things that are, because in the later case their actions are not perfectly holy and righteous, and perfectly holy and righteous is the single criterion by which we ought to judge action in the world?
all human action is corrupt and estranged. to suggest that creating a fund of billions of dollars to support the healthcare treatment of the destitute and impoverished because it is only extremely charitable, caring, loving and merciful and not perfectly charitable, caring, loving and merciful is to distort and abuse the gospel of jesus christ to such an extent that its not at all clear you understand the utterly debased and estranged situation our lord found us in and rescued us from. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:49 AM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces sorry, the authoritarian tendencies shown by the left have the ability and the likelihood to cause far for damage and suffering than would occur under a Trump administration. Every historical precedent suggests that the line of thought currently ascending in the democratic party will be a disaster.
I personally want universal health care. Most poasters here probably do as well. Most of us voted for Obama, who had a mandate to do this, yet he didn't do it.
There is no theological justification in voting for this current democratic party unless one puts on blinders and ignores their overall trajectory. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:50 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part Christianity is not consequentialist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018116) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:47 PM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces cf. Matthew 7:15-20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020904) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 7:02 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part you see trump's attempt to dismantle obamacare as better fruit than obamacare itself? or more generally, what do you think about the R vs. D economic policies? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020983) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 7:37 PM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces As noted above, dems have totalitarian desires and tendencies and have shown their hand. They pretend to be the compassionate party by supporting welfare and universal healthcare, but what they want is more government power to eliminate badthink and impose chinese style top down totalitarian rule complete with social credit scores, etc. Example: Biden responds to the trump tax issue by saying he would repeal trump tax cuts. This of course would do nothing to eliminate the credits and depreciation rules that billionaires enjoy and wpuld not result in any meaningful increase in trump’s tax burden. Instead it would raise taxes on middle and upper middle class wage earners. Dems would never go after billionaires, because they are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Their economic policies would prevent others from increasing wealth while doing nothing to truly affect wealth inequality or make anyone’s lives better.
As i also noted above i think everyone should have health care. I wish republicans would take initiative on this issue. I dont trust dems to enact anything that is not 1) extremely inefficient and 2) a trojan horse to fuck over groups it doesnt like. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 8:25 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part as much as i want to be a realist about the need for concentrated capital, i still can't deprogram myself from keynesian economics. is keynesian just what rich people feed to the middle class to justify taxing them and keep them from understanding how to become rich? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41021406) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:22 AM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces Unfortunately, it is not so simple. It is not at all clear that universal healthcare will actually be implemented by a Biden administration or that it will actually be "better" for people, increase health, or save lives. It may feel nice to say "give everyone health care" but the realities of implementation and consequences are much more muddled. Many conservatives also rightly fear giving too much power to the state, which has, historically, nearly always abused its power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017884) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:26 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part hah weak (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017905) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:31 AM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces ? Just cede control to a Godless bureaucracy, it will solve all your problems.
Frankly, there is weak Christian justification for government itself. Christian anarchy is the only appropriate way based on the gospels. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:32 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part Reread romans 13 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017949) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:33 AM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces Oh is Romans a Gospel now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017957) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:33 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part Are you suggesting there is a hierarchy of inspiration in the inspired word of god? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017961) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:35 AM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces Your post was non-responsive, as I mentioned the gospels only.
But yes, the actual words of Jesus should be given more credence than the words of others.
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:35 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part if youre going to take this historical critical approach you are left open to the obvious problem of discerning the actual speech of christ from words put in his mouth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017984) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:52 AM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces fair, but accepting Romans 13 does not undermine my argument. It was written during in a non-democratic context where Christians were a suppressed minority. It cannot be used to justify a government by force controlled by Christians, which others much smarter than I, have argued persuasively is generally incompatible with the teachings of Jesus. How can one support the concept of a border if that border is maintained by force by Christians? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018125) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:56 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part i agree. there is little philosophical support for government of any type in scripture, and therefore little support for voting at all. so Christians should not vote, or vote for the person who exhibits characteristics of christ. based on last night, and james 1:19, that person is biden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018158) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:45 PM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces so now your position boils down to nothing but a simply policy preference. Using your reasoning, one can easily justify voting for whichever candidate is pro-life. Matthew 7:12; 19:18. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020898) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:49 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part i was trying to argue based on personality disposition, but if you're talking about policy, you have to take their policy prescriptions in aggregate to determine which on net better supports the christian ethic. this is a very difficult task but i attempt to do so by looking at the tradeoff between abortion and medicare for all here
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:57 AM Author: contagious library cuck millions of abortions (murders). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018167) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 12:00 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part annual figures (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018184) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 12:02 PM Author: contagious library cuck "access to lifetime healthcare"
what does this mean exactly btw? can ERs turn ppl away now? |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 12:05 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part lifetime healthcare means an insurance plan that is affordable for the duration of a persons life (subsidized by gov.) and not contingent on that persons health status (preexisting condition)
access to emergency health services, the bill for which could cause bankruptcy, is not healthcare |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 12:07 PM Author: contagious library cuck so youre talking about health insurance. they already have access to healthcare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018227) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 12:11 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part incorrect. even on the argument that someone could continue to receive care for which they cannot pay, simply receiving care with catastrophic financial consequences does not constitute "access to healthcare" except on a reading of the term so constricted as to render it meaningless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018255) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 12:17 PM Author: contagious library cuck you act like bankruptcy is worse than death.
i agree that there should be catastrophic coverage to protect ppl like this. and stuff like cancer insurance, small groups etc. would be an option. Obamacare made that all illegal. I dont see why that would require a complete government take over the healthcare system like is being purposed. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 12:24 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part your piecemeal approach evidences a reluctance to submit to christ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018322) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:10 PM Author: contagious library cuck you want to overturn the entire system to fix some outliers. have to question your motivations here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020678) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:12 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part medicare for all is a simple adjunct to the medical system that creates a new form of healthcare financing. it in no way overturns the system of private healthcare delivery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020691) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:14 PM Author: contagious library cuck so the money appears out of thin air i presume (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020700) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:15 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part christian charity demands we provide means to the destitute. money should not be an object for the christian, provided it is from a fairly levied tax scheme. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020710) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:17 PM Author: contagious library cuck the point is that youre cannibalizing the other system with taxes to pay for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020728) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:18 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part what do you mean - what other system? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020738) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:23 AM Author: electric fantasy-prone field And bans attendance of religious services (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017890) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:27 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017913) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:32 AM Author: Alcoholic trip corner feces submit, but not participate. Under this analysis, there is no Christian argument supporting voting for Biden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017951) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:34 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part i am responding specifically to the argument that a ban on corporate religious worship is grounds to dismiss a candidate for not representing Christian ideals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017975) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:02 AM Author: Clear Adventurous Rehab Gbti (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017354) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:05 AM Author: aqua medicated trailer park child genital mutilation/ gender reassignment is super x-tian, traditionally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017367) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:10 AM Author: Filthy jew OP is a schizophrenic jew who LARPed as a christian to try to pick up preteens at Bible study classes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017397) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:11 AM Author: Sadistic canary sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017402) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:56 AM Author: Milky useless space ((())) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017710) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:02 AM Author: big university Flame.
Evangelicals point out that they are free to consider Trump a modern King Cyrus -- not of the same faith but a protector nonetheless. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:13 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part the analogy between evangelicals and the jews cyrus delivered fails (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017820) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:17 AM Author: big university , according to experts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017841) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:21 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part one of my favorite parts about the debate was when trump said "experts" then looked at biden, in clear deference to his expertise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017864) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:57 AM Author: swollen gunner you fucking moron he was clearly referring to Biden's insistence on constantly deferring to "experts" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018166) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 7:21 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part lol no it was one time where trump was authentic and it came across as sheepish deference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41021115) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:03 AM Author: Zombie-like set love of her life agree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017759) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:07 AM Author: low-t philosopher-king Theological necessity means that it can't be otherwise. But voting in an election can go either way. Therefore voting is not a theological necessity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017778) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:10 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part Voting in general is theologically neutral. But a theological deduction from the premises for which these particular candidates stand demands a vote for Biden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017792) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:13 AM Author: low-t philosopher-king Let's see your theological deduction from the premises for which these particular candidates stand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017817) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:16 AM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part James 1:19 "My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017835) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:12 AM Author: Brindle razzmatazz blood rage https://twitter.com/NRSC/status/1311318650201276418 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017810) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:29 AM Author: infuriating fluffy sandwich deer antler We need Green Jolly Rancher's enlightened Catholic takes ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017929) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 12:08 PM Author: vigorous public bath Angels dancing on a pinhead, etc... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018240) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:59 PM Author: domesticated histrionic hospital famous landscape painting The christian defense is that god told us to love all people and democratic party wants us to hate and punish whites for the sins of their ancestors. bidens individual position doesnt matter if his administration is going to be all in on anti-white SJW agenda. so the right thing to do is to vote Trump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018978) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:00 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part the bible tells us to be charitable. this is not a charitable view of the democratic party. especially if you are white. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018986) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:17 PM Author: domesticated histrionic hospital famous landscape painting bible tells you to be charitable sure but also ignore clear evidence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019111) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:19 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part evidence of what? is your primary concern that minorities are angry, and that white people are allowing them to be angry in public? this troubles you so deeply that you are willing to abandon bedrock christian principles of compassion, humility, charity and love? now is the time for radical compassion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019116) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:24 PM Author: domesticated histrionic hospital famous landscape painting does bible tell you to abandon self defense? link?
its not about minorities being angry or public riots. i want a color blind society where there is love like bible preaches. i dont see GOP (XO is not GOP) assigning negative stereotypes to blacks like DEMS do (systemic racism due to white society) and trying to punish them
does GOP ask people to identify by race and make white identifying employees alone to undergo training to "cure" them of their racism like Seattle liberals did for their city employees? that is dehumanizing and hate and liberals and by extension are very anti-christian for doing so. so if you are a christian choice is clear - TRUMP |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:26 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part very deluded, honestly won't be able to get to the bottom of your contradiction here, but yes, christianity teaches us to forsake self defense for the sake of others. this is a very straightforward application of mat 5:38ff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019152) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:28 PM Author: domesticated histrionic hospital famous landscape painting going the second mile doesnt imply giving up self defense but nice try though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019159) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:28 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part try reading past the headline of the first verse if you have time
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mat+5%3A38ff&version=NKJV |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:32 PM Author: domesticated histrionic hospital famous landscape painting that has been debunked sorry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019172) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:32 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part premise of the thread is you can't be christian and vote trump. if you reject the bible you can do whatever you want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019177) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:34 PM Author: domesticated histrionic hospital famous landscape painting so how does it work for a democrats? based on that verse they should not resist trump either? so democrats vote trump and conservatives vote biden? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019198) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:36 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part yes, Christians should either not vote, or vote for the person who best exhibits the characteristics of christ. based on last night, and james 1:19, that person is biden.
"My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry" |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:43 PM Author: domesticated histrionic hospital famous landscape painting biden lied (abt vaccine, about his support for new deal). he didnt show love (Called trump a clown etc)
so calling biden jesus like is retarded. your argument that a true christian who lives a fully christian life and abides by bible cannot vote because neither dems nor gop and their candidates fully embody the teachings and values of bible is much more defensible
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:48 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part that's not the argument. because the essence of politics is the organization of coercion (through policy, law, etc), there is little if any chrsitain justification for voting, because there is little if any christian justification for coercion. the question therefore becomes which candidate exhibits and can be expected to be lead by the christian virtues of patience, charity and mercy.
leaving policy (charity and mercy) out of it, and based only on personality, it is clear from the debate that biden better exhibits the christian virtue of patience. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:02 PM Author: domesticated histrionic hospital famous landscape painting so u want to christians to compromise on biden because he is "better". that leads us into subjective arguments and which parts of bible are you OK with being compromised. and we havent gotten to the part that biden administration with his interventionist policies will cause way more harm to human lives across the world than trump's doveish, non interventionist foreign policy
i think there are two choices - not vote at all (optimal choice for a true christian) and if you are going to compromise then its subjective and there is no clear choice and based on which parts of the bible you value more trump could be your choice |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:07 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part this is a post-debate thread - like i mentioned, we're talking about personality and disposition. It is not at all subjective that trump was angry and impatient as compared to biden calmly turning the other cheek on multiple occasions. it is clear biden better exemplified the person of christ on stage.
if you'd like to have a debate about which policies are more christian, lets do it somewhere else. but be prepared to defend how giving minorities a platform to express their feelings of oppression, and maintaining a giant financial fund to pay for poor people's health care isn't exemplarily christian behavior. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:10 PM Author: swollen gunner "it is clear biden better exemplified the person of christ on stage."
MIG i like you bro but this is getting out of hand
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:11 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part it is clear that trump was unchristian in his aggression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019497) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:13 PM Author: domesticated histrionic hospital famous landscape painting being less angry doesnt make you christian and you could argue that biden demonstrated very unchristian qualities during the debate - lies, hateful attacks against trump calling him a clown, deceit, contempt etc
so there is no christian argument to vote for either candidate. anything else is moving from a strict bible/theology based action and then its subjective what verses you want to vote based on, isiah 2:4 is clearly arguing for trump (dems wanted to bomb syria and overthrow assad and trump told them to fuck off)
at this point you are just plainly concern trolling by going for the "better christian" argument so adios |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:19 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part the first step in analyzing a debate is deposition of the candidates, not policy. the first step in analyzing disposition is not content of speech, but timing and deference.
on this first level of debate analysis, trump interrupted more frequently, and spoke without regard for the time limit rules of the debate - often speaking substantially over time and out of turn. on the other hand, biden often deferred to trump with patience, even when he broke the rules, and did his best to be earnest while being flagrantly interrupted.
On this first, most superficial level of debate analysis, biden exhibited christian virtue better than did trump. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:24 PM Author: domesticated histrionic hospital famous landscape painting repeating your idiotic arguments dont make it any better. you made the exact same "relatively better christian" argument above. accept your loss and slink away (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019594) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:28 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part its the first part of a comprehensive argument. im not sure why you're so reluctant to engage with this step wise. if you disagree with this first level of analysis, say so. if you agree, say so, and move to the next level of analysis.
its not productive to confuse the levels of analysis of a debate, as you do above, into a swirling mess of overlapping arguments. on the first level of analysis, it is probably clear to most that i am correct. |
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Date: October 1st, 2020 5:54 AM Author: pea-brained rusted rigpig address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41023562) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:15 PM Author: Dashing Senate I agree, Christianity is not a defense that would prevent one from choosing to vote Trump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019097) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:16 PM Author: Supple jet-lagged stage depressive someone's about to be whipped out of the temples (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019109) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:44 PM Author: bright shaky voyeur roommate Cr. Christians should also reject emperor Constantine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019272) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:31 PM Author: razzle frisky church This is OP's thesis in a nutshell:
It is better to implement the vague concept of single-payer healthcare with uncertain outcomes (Something which Obama and Biden did not even do when they were in power), then to fight against and hopefully stop the tangible killing of 700k dead babies per year.
Oh yea also, the Dem's are the good guys when it comes to race relations, nevermind that Obama sparked the sharp rise in racial violence and hatred AND that the abortionist industry is premised on killing as many black babies as possible. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:32 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part lets confine this discussion to who interrupted whom the most, and who broke the time limit and turn rules most often. everything you need to know about the success of a president boils down to their disposition in a debate. this is confirmed by clique theory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019644) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:44 PM Author: razzle frisky church Sorry but supporting baby murder supercedes all of that.
Trump would literally have to have a dungeon where he tortured and killed indigent youths before he would fall below Biden on the Christian voting scale.
You can support Biden for whatever reasons, but if you use Christianity as the benchmark the case is crystal clear. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:50 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part How so? If we take as the two controlling Christian moral principles (1) don’t kill, and (2) give to whoever asks, and we take the totality of the government's acts as acts on our behalf, weighted by the dollars spent to perform those acts as a measure of the extent to which we support them, then we see that the extent to which we support charity in the form of subsidized healthcare is greater than extent to which we support abortion. Therefore a state of affairs in which abortion is allowed and healthcare is subsidized supports christian ethics more on net than does a state of affairs without abortion and without subsidized healthcare.
there is an alternative measurement, namely weighing the amount of harm committed through abortion vs the amount of gain from subsisted healthcare. on almost any weighting, because the number of abortions is smaller annually compared to the number of people who are and could be helped with government subsidized healthcare, christian ethics is better supported on net with abortion and subsidized healthcare, than neither. the only weighting where its not is if you think "abortion is never permissible" (i.e. assigning infinite negative value to abortion), which has two responses. first, it is a christian principle that we always act impermissibly (we are always in in), and second, this would demand similar weighting (i.e. infinite positive value to charity) to giving charitably.
This alternative measure is more subjective, and so the former measure should be used, as it provides for an objective comparison. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 4:03 PM Author: razzle frisky church 1. There is a stark moral difference between lack of charity leading to death and approving, supporting and paying for the active killing of the innocent.
There is a difference between pushing someone off a boat and them drowning vs. being selfishly concerned for yourself and refusing to jump into the water to try and save someone who slipped and fell into the water and is now drowning.
2. We have no idea if subsidized healthcare will actually lead to the positive outcomes you presuppose. What happens if it ends up that the system becomes less efficient has much longer wait times (ala Canada) and more people die? If you want proof as to what government-run healthcare looks like check out the VA. Would you say the stories that came out about the VA and how veterans were left dying in the healthcare centres as a better outcome than what we have now for the general public?
On the other hand we know for certainty that if Roe gets crushed in a year or two if Breyer goes then hundreds of thousands of babies will be saved. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 4:07 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part 1. Is that moral difference biblical? If so, from where are you deriving it? I understand the Catholic church ranks sins, but I am concerned with biblical Christianity, not the man made edifice of Catholicism.
2. The relevant comparison is not the VA, it is medicare. Medicare expands coverage to those that do not have it, and lowers costs because it is a central bargaining agent. That is the suggestion, not "government run healthcare." the care is provided by private healthcare companies. We're only talking about a public means of financing payment to those companies.
Again, on either the objective or subjective measure i provide above, the net benefit of subsidized healthcare outweighs the benefits from outlawing abortion because of the sheer number of individuals involved in the respective activities. |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:45 PM Author: Stirring emerald persian theater stage OP is a known satanic element hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019733) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 4:04 PM Author: razzle frisky church This is increasingly becoming clear. He is either a troll or a demonic element masquerading as a "Christian" - exactly what we were warned by God about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019898) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 5:45 PM Author: smoky trump supporter mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020514) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 5:55 PM Author: contagious library cuck reexamine his moniker closely for more details (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020575) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:02 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part please take some time to understand the psychological underpinnings of religious experience https://youtu.be/4WwAQqWUkpI |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:04 PM Author: contagious library cuck dont have time. please summarize. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020649) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:09 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part schizotypal symptoms (e.g. elaborate mental imagery, delusions, etc), OCD (e.g. obsessive or "ritualistic" hand washing) and other mental "illnesses" were evolutionarily advantageous to the extent that they could be translated into social benefit, e.g. metaphysical understanding or social cohesion. people successful in making schizotypal and obsessive symptoms pro-social form the basis of historical and ongoing religious institutions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020676) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:10 PM Author: contagious library cuck glad you saved me the hour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020682) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:11 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part schizophrenic lives matter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020684) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:12 PM Author: contagious library cuck of course (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020689) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 5:45 PM Author: laughsome goyim center great thread MiG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020510) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 5:53 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020562) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 5:57 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part id like to use this opportunity to draw attention to the doctrine of the christian god, available at the following resources:
christ is the savior: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4635089&mc=11&forum_id=2
on christian dualism: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4636467&mc=9&forum_id=2
god is the bottom of a black hole: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4636484&mc=4&forum_id=2
the limits of inquiry: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4636741&mc=1&forum_id=2 |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:16 PM Author: Cracking pisswyrm why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020720) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:20 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part he is angry and impatient. he does not embody the christian virtues of patience or love of enemy.
James 1:19; Matthew 5:43-44
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+1%3A19%3B+Matthew+5%3A43-44&version=NIV |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:21 PM Author: Cracking pisswyrm sure but why cant i vote for him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020763) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:27 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part you can man but biden would be better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020801) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:29 PM Author: Cracking pisswyrm why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020820) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:32 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part he is more accelerationist w/r/t the kingdom of heaven on earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020830) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:32 PM Author: Cracking pisswyrm why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020832) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:33 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part heaven is in the future, conservativism is a preservation of the past (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020839) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:35 PM Author: Cracking pisswyrm this seems oversimplified
also where in the bible does it say heaven is the future |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:38 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part i dont read matt 24:29ff as having happened yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020864) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:21 PM Author: laughsome goyim center do you think the US is a Christian nation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020764) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:26 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part i think the early new england settlements were deeply christian
i think there was likely extended public prayer time during each of the continentals congress
i think the founders probably leaned diest
i think a majority of americans profess christian beliefs
i think many principles in the constitution are derived from christian virtues
i do not think our government is an explicitly christian government
i do not think the US is a christian nation
i think christian people should vote for a president that balances christian ethics and pragmatism
i think biden does that better than trump |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:27 PM Author: laughsome goyim center should it be? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020803) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:28 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part no, political and religious pluralism is a necessary result of our estrangement from god (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020813) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:30 PM Author: laughsome goyim center let's not be estranged from God then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020823) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:31 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part ok ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020827) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:48 PM Author: Copper Curious Nursing Home Azn Great thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020907) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 8:14 PM Author: vibrant massive main people dopamine No candidate is completely defensible, but one (Trump) is more defensible that the other because the other’s platform incentives victimhood and racial strife and would enthusiastically endorse any policy that would make America less Christian than it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41021367) |
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Date: October 1st, 2020 6:34 AM Author: pea-brained rusted rigpig address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41023596) |
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Date: October 1st, 2020 1:14 PM Author: vibrant massive main people dopamine “Dying to self” and celebrating those who make the ultimate sacrifice is not the same as making historical grievances a central part of a platform for political gain. “Incentivizes victimhood” was a poor way to put it though because I see how this could be argued re Christianity. There is potentially eternal reward for suffering. Dems want x skin color to suffer at the expense of y and z skin colors, and reward certain skin colors for no other reason than being eternal victims. It perpetuates racial strife instead of reconciliation. The Christian thing to do is fight for reconciliation instead of division and violence, if avoidable. And in today’s circumstances the violence is avoidable. Unjustifiable violence is not Christian so voting R is the alternative. “Trump said pussy” or Trump being a big meanie doesn’t outweigh the bloodlust dems have for wrong skins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41025446) |
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Date: October 1st, 2020 1:22 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part lol "i love blacks but im definitely going to caricature their position so i can avoid engaging with them. this is how i fight for reconciliation." lmfao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41025483) |
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Date: October 1st, 2020 3:23 PM Author: vibrant massive main people dopamine DUDE LFMAO XDDD (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41026412) |
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Date: October 1st, 2020 1:18 PM Author: Aromatic tank I feel like I’m auditing a seminar at People’s College of Theology (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41025461) |
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Date: October 1st, 2020 1:20 PM Author: Appetizing Vermilion Mad Cow Disease Party Of The First Part ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41025472) |