There is no Christian defense for voting trump
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:49 AM Author: Well-lubricated library codepig
sorry, the authoritarian tendencies shown by the left have the ability and the likelihood to cause far for damage and suffering than would occur under a Trump administration. Every historical precedent suggests that the line of thought currently ascending in the democratic party will be a disaster.
I personally want universal health care. Most poasters here probably do as well. Most of us voted for Obama, who had a mandate to do this, yet he didn't do it.
There is no theological justification in voting for this current democratic party unless one puts on blinders and ignores their overall trajectory.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41018101) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:35 AM Author: Well-lubricated library codepig
Your post was non-responsive, as I mentioned the gospels only.
But yes, the actual words of Jesus should be given more credence than the words of others.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017977)
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:49 PM Author: supple infuriating abode
i was trying to argue based on personality disposition, but if you're talking about policy, you have to take their policy prescriptions in aggregate to determine which on net better supports the christian ethic. this is a very difficult task but i attempt to do so by looking at the tradeoff between abortion and medicare for all here
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019772
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020911)
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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:02 AM Author: Duck-like motley azn
Flame.
Evangelicals point out that they are free to consider Trump a modern King Cyrus -- not of the same faith but a protector nonetheless.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41017753) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:24 PM Author: Greedy doctorate
does bible tell you to abandon self defense? link?
its not about minorities being angry or public riots. i want a color blind society where there is love like bible preaches. i dont see GOP (XO is not GOP) assigning negative stereotypes to blacks like DEMS do (systemic racism due to white society) and trying to punish them
does GOP ask people to identify by race and make white identifying employees alone to undergo training to "cure" them of their racism like Seattle liberals did for their city employees? that is dehumanizing and hate and liberals and by extension are very anti-christian for doing so. so if you are a christian choice is clear - TRUMP
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019138) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:43 PM Author: Greedy doctorate
biden lied (abt vaccine, about his support for new deal). he didnt show love (Called trump a clown etc)
so calling biden jesus like is retarded. your argument that a true christian who lives a fully christian life and abides by bible cannot vote because neither dems nor gop and their candidates fully embody the teachings and values of bible is much more defensible
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019262)
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:10 PM Author: Sinister Zombie-like Cruise Ship Mediation
"it is clear biden better exemplified the person of christ on stage."
MIG i like you bro but this is getting out of hand
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019487)
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:13 PM Author: Greedy doctorate
being less angry doesnt make you christian and you could argue that biden demonstrated very unchristian qualities during the debate - lies, hateful attacks against trump calling him a clown, deceit, contempt etc
so there is no christian argument to vote for either candidate. anything else is moving from a strict bible/theology based action and then its subjective what verses you want to vote based on, isiah 2:4 is clearly arguing for trump (dems wanted to bomb syria and overthrow assad and trump told them to fuck off)
at this point you are just plainly concern trolling by going for the "better christian" argument so adios
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019509) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:19 PM Author: supple infuriating abode
the first step in analyzing a debate is deposition of the candidates, not policy. the first step in analyzing disposition is not content of speech, but timing and deference.
on this first level of debate analysis, trump interrupted more frequently, and spoke without regard for the time limit rules of the debate - often speaking substantially over time and out of turn. on the other hand, biden often deferred to trump with patience, even when he broke the rules, and did his best to be earnest while being flagrantly interrupted.
On this first, most superficial level of debate analysis, biden exhibited christian virtue better than did trump.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019560) |
Date: September 30th, 2020 3:31 PM Author: cowardly center corn cake
This is OP's thesis in a nutshell:
It is better to implement the vague concept of single-payer healthcare with uncertain outcomes (Something which Obama and Biden did not even do when they were in power), then to fight against and hopefully stop the tangible killing of 700k dead babies per year.
Oh yea also, the Dem's are the good guys when it comes to race relations, nevermind that Obama sparked the sharp rise in racial violence and hatred AND that the abortionist industry is premised on killing as many black babies as possible.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019638) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:44 PM Author: cowardly center corn cake
Sorry but supporting baby murder supercedes all of that.
Trump would literally have to have a dungeon where he tortured and killed indigent youths before he would fall below Biden on the Christian voting scale.
You can support Biden for whatever reasons, but if you use Christianity as the benchmark the case is crystal clear.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019723) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 3:50 PM Author: supple infuriating abode
How so? If we take as the two controlling Christian moral principles (1) don’t kill, and (2) give to whoever asks, and we take the totality of the government's acts as acts on our behalf, weighted by the dollars spent to perform those acts as a measure of the extent to which we support them, then we see that the extent to which we support charity in the form of subsidized healthcare is greater than extent to which we support abortion. Therefore a state of affairs in which abortion is allowed and healthcare is subsidized supports christian ethics more on net than does a state of affairs without abortion and without subsidized healthcare.
there is an alternative measurement, namely weighing the amount of harm committed through abortion vs the amount of gain from subsisted healthcare. on almost any weighting, because the number of abortions is smaller annually compared to the number of people who are and could be helped with government subsidized healthcare, christian ethics is better supported on net with abortion and subsidized healthcare, than neither. the only weighting where its not is if you think "abortion is never permissible" (i.e. assigning infinite negative value to abortion), which has two responses. first, it is a christian principle that we always act impermissibly (we are always in in), and second, this would demand similar weighting (i.e. infinite positive value to charity) to giving charitably.
This alternative measure is more subjective, and so the former measure should be used, as it provides for an objective comparison.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019772) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 4:03 PM Author: cowardly center corn cake
1. There is a stark moral difference between lack of charity leading to death and approving, supporting and paying for the active killing of the innocent.
There is a difference between pushing someone off a boat and them drowning vs. being selfishly concerned for yourself and refusing to jump into the water to try and save someone who slipped and fell into the water and is now drowning.
2. We have no idea if subsidized healthcare will actually lead to the positive outcomes you presuppose. What happens if it ends up that the system becomes less efficient has much longer wait times (ala Canada) and more people die? If you want proof as to what government-run healthcare looks like check out the VA. Would you say the stories that came out about the VA and how veterans were left dying in the healthcare centres as a better outcome than what we have now for the general public?
On the other hand we know for certainty that if Roe gets crushed in a year or two if Breyer goes then hundreds of thousands of babies will be saved.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019893) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 4:07 PM Author: supple infuriating abode
1. Is that moral difference biblical? If so, from where are you deriving it? I understand the Catholic church ranks sins, but I am concerned with biblical Christianity, not the man made edifice of Catholicism.
2. The relevant comparison is not the VA, it is medicare. Medicare expands coverage to those that do not have it, and lowers costs because it is a central bargaining agent. That is the suggestion, not "government run healthcare." the care is provided by private healthcare companies. We're only talking about a public means of financing payment to those companies.
Again, on either the objective or subjective measure i provide above, the net benefit of subsidized healthcare outweighs the benefits from outlawing abortion because of the sheer number of individuals involved in the respective activities.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41019916) |
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Date: September 30th, 2020 6:26 PM Author: supple infuriating abode
i think the early new england settlements were deeply christian
i think there was likely extended public prayer time during each of the continentals congress
i think the founders probably leaned diest
i think a majority of americans profess christian beliefs
i think many principles in the constitution are derived from christian virtues
i do not think our government is an explicitly christian government
i do not think the US is a christian nation
i think christian people should vote for a president that balances christian ethics and pragmatism
i think biden does that better than trump
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637866&forum_id=2#41020797) |
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