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better firm deal: 1600 hrs, no vacation policy OR 1700 hrs, 4 weeks paid off
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Date: July 26th, 2021 7:18 PM Author: Cordovan reading party 1700 firm pays 1k more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846149) |
Date: July 26th, 2021 7:30 PM Author: Cordovan reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846227) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:46 PM Author: Cordovan reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846587) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:48 PM Author: Histrionic Rigor Stage 1700 hours easy. 'no vacation policy' is terrible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846592) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:50 PM Author: Cordovan reading party 1600 firm touts it as a good thing. do they not see the downsides or do they just not want associates to see them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846604) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:52 PM Author: Histrionic Rigor Stage of course they tout it as a "chill" approach to time off but in reality it means they will guilt you whenever you want to take vacation since there is no hard entitlement and will judge you poorly if you actually take vacation. also you don't accrue any benefit if you dont use the vacation. it's sps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846614) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:53 PM Author: Cordovan reading party yeah. 1700 firm puts a limit on how much leave you can cash out but still, at least it's something---and not fake chillness. (i'm leaving 1600 to go to 1700 and wanted some reassurance i'm doing the right thing.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846622) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:50 PM Author: Frozen Adventurous Rehab Hairy Legs Not sure if serious. WTF is a no vacation policy? Like their policy is you can take no vacation or they don't have a policy on vacations (which to me basically means unlimited vacation) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846605) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:51 PM Author: Cordovan reading party don't have a policy on vacations which means, IME, your hours get checked / extrapolated every time you ask to take time off / away from the office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846607) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:53 PM Author: Frozen Adventurous Rehab Hairy Legs What do you mean your hours get checked/extrapolated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846617) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:54 PM Author: Cordovan reading party I.e., partner says "you're on pace to bill only X number of hours, and you want a week off? you can take it but you're going to need to work twice as many hours the week you get back to meet your minimum" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846626) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:56 PM Author: Frozen Adventurous Rehab Hairy Legs LJL that sounds terrible.
Take the place with an actual vacation policy. Even if you don't take the whole 4 weeks you can at least sell back what you don't use. |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:58 PM Author: Cordovan reading party partner also said, out loud, "you need to bill more. i wanted to buy a surfboard." toxic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846642) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:59 PM Author: Frozen Adventurous Rehab Hairy Legs Well, that surfboard isn't going to buy itself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846650) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 10:16 PM Author: excitant hateful hissy fit menage How much does a surfboard cost? A few thousand bucks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42847007) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 10:18 PM Author: slate painfully honest gay wizard famous landscape painting 1k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42847017) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:57 PM Author: Massive native "don't have a policy on vacations which means, IME, your hours get checked / extrapolated every time you ask to take time off / away from the office"
I don't think this is right. At either firm, no one is going to be tracking or not tracking your hours when you are taking a vacation.
At both firms, people are going to be tracking your hours at various points not giving a fuck if you took a vacation.
The only difference is if you get paid out if you're fired or not. Also, to a slgihtly lesser extent, there's a chance someone might call you out if you exceed your "set" vacation time if there's an actual policy - but for an attorney I doubt anyone is checking or cares so long as you billed your hours and are available. |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:59 PM Author: Cordovan reading party i asked 1600 firm (current place) for a vacation a few weeks ago and the immediate response was, "aren't you short on your hours?" was later told i could take it but not after being told the above re partner wanted to buy something so i need to bill more. maybe it just depends on whether the partners are assholes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846649) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 9:01 PM Author: Histrionic Rigor Stage qol at every law firm ultimately comes down to who you are working directly with and whether they are human (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846658) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 9:04 PM Author: Massive native This is was always my advice to 1st years. Figure out what partners are chill and have chill associates working for them and try to work for them. The "lifestyle firm" shit is worthless - the only thing that matters is the partner you get most of your work from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846675) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 9:08 PM Author: Cordovan reading party i was initially sold by apparently frattyness of partner who gives me 90% of my work then realized he's just a douche. it's a shame because everyone else is actually pretty cool.
should i feel bad leaving and going to another firm? this is in small flyover community of about 300k. |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 9:02 PM Author: Massive native Oh - that's more relevant than the policy.
I would just leave then. They clearly don't value you. If they liked you they'd say "Great where are you going?" tell you have to have fun and try to shut off your phone, and hten email you constantly during your vacation anyway... |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:54 PM Author: Massive native 1600 hours is better IMO. As an attorney, your vacation time is going to be determined by your workload. And they're accepting a lower workload.
The counter would be that if you quit or get fired you'd get paid out on hte paid vacation time - but I think in a law firm environment there's probably little difference between paid vacation and no vacation... |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 8:56 PM Author: Cordovan reading party i like the idea of being 'entitled' to some time off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846633) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 9:00 PM Author: Massive native Then work in-house. Otherwise you're defined by your billables. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42846653) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 10:10 PM Author: Bistre Demanding Parlour Brethren Hours minimums mean literally nothing. Unstated expectations are much more important. And expectations to cut billable time matter too. Some insurance defense mills have super low minimum but you can’t bill for a lot of stuff you can in biglaw.
But all else equal 4 weeks set in stone is way better than 100 less hours. |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 10:11 PM Author: ocher cerebral foreskin ran itt to poast exactly this. this guy gets it.
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Date: July 26th, 2021 11:54 PM Author: Cordovan reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42847543) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 11:58 PM Author: stirring quadroon "no vacation policy" means you'll take very little time off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42847560) |
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Date: July 27th, 2021 1:12 PM Author: Cordovan reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4886169&forum_id=2#42850424) |